Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 So then, after the sacking of Moyes from United, what would be your thoughts if the following (possibly quite likely) situation happened. Van Gaal to United Pochettino to Spurs Moyes to Southampton Would we be downgrading much? Thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 well we woulod have a lot of games where we were bored to death, the players would not enjoy it either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 His record with young players should rule him out of working here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 I just don't see it as "quite likely" at all. A big part of the Southampton job, is integrating the youth players..........That is just not moyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Lock this dopey thread and delete headline. Its written although its happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Also highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Wow, what is all the vitriol about? It's all hypothetical and the post clearly asks for your thoughts on the situation if it did happen. You don't think that there is potential that MoPo leaves and the board look at who is around, and see a Manager that had a very good record at a medium sized club with small-ish finances that there is no way he would pick them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 So then, after the sacking of Moyes from United, what would be your thoughts if the following (possibly quite likely) situation happened. Van Gaal to United Pochettino to Spurs Moyes to Southampton Would we be downgrading much? Thoughts... I could live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 How is this "quite likely"? If Glasgow Saint or Barry Sanchez started this thread you'd be giving them plenty of stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 I don't reckon any of them 3 things will happen! Ferguson won't want Van Gaal cos he wants to be bum-licked & asked for his opinions on stuff. Spurs won't want ponch cos they're delusional, we won't want moyes cos as others have said bout youth etc. He'll prob end up at Villa or Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Spurs dont want Mopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Rumour is Van Gaal doesn't want United.................. Blimey a thread sunk like the finest ships of the German WWII Navy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2014 How is this "quite likely"? If Glasgow Saint or Barry Sanchez started this thread you'd be giving them plenty of stick. I just think it could be quite likely, it's an opinion. As stated above, if we were to lose MP, why would we not pick Moyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Spurs dont want Mopo All the betting sites say you're wrong, and they are rarely wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 I just think it could be quite likely, it's an opinion. As stated above, if we were to lose MP, why would we not pick Moyes? As stated above - Because of our dependence and philosophy of the Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2014 As stated above - Because of our dependence and philosophy of the Academy That is possible, but is Moyes record with youth actually that bad? Yeah, he didn't see Barkley (although last season may have been a bit early), but he did play/buy youngsters such as Rooney, Rodwell, Coleman, Osman, Junjuaz etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 But what about Ronnie Moore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Massimiliano Allegri 7/2 3 3 7/2 Louis Van Gaal 4 3 3 10/3 Moyes 11/2 4 5 5 Mauricio Pochettino http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/tottenham/next-permanent-manager Mopo = Fourth favourite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Massimiliano Allegri 7/2 3 3 7/2 Louis Van Gaal 4 3 3 10/3 Moyes 11/2 4 5 5 Mauricio Pochettino http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/tottenham/next-permanent-manager Mopo = Fourth favourite Yep, my point exactly. Would certainly be on a shortlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 All the betting sites say you're wrong, and they are rarely wrong... They are rarely wrong, youre right. But Mopo is not favourites with any of the bookies, he's just one of 10-20 options which includes the names of Gus Poyet and Martin Jol and Harry Redknapp - the same names that get linked with every job, but are never really contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 But what about Ronnie Moore? for Saints or Spurs? or United? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 How can something be 'possibly quite likely'? Blatant trolling by the OP IMHO. Moyes can only come here if he brings De Gea, Baines and Wellbeck with him; other than that it's a 'no' from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 I could see our board going for Moyes based on what he did at Everton should Mopo leave.Would I be happy , not in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 How can something be 'possibly quite likely'? Blatant trolling by the OP IMHO. Moyes can only come here if he brings De Gea, Baines and Wellbeck with him; other than that it's a 'no' from me. If Moyes couldnt prise Baines away from Everton as Man Utd manager, what chance would he have of getting him here? Plus Welbeck was one of the players unhappy with Moyes at utd for consistently playing him out of position, so why would he follow him here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 If Moyes couldnt prise Baines away from Everton as Man Utd manager, what chance would he have of getting him here? Plus Welbeck was one of the players unhappy with Moyes at utd for consistently playing him out of position, so why would he follow him here? Other than that he makes some great points, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 What football club in their right mind would touch Moyes right now? I think he needs a year out of the game, myself. Take in some inspiration and do a bit of re-invention, a la Pulis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 If Moyes couldnt prise Baines away from Everton as Man Utd manager, what chance would he have of getting him here? Plus Welbeck was one of the players unhappy with Moyes at utd for consistently playing him out of position, so why would he follow him here? Whoosh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Moyes? No thanks. Crap manager, even if you buy into the 'didn't he do a great job at Everton' ******, and it is utter ******. Just ask the Everton fans what they think of him, or even the Man U fans. Doesn't play good football, doesn't win anything and is utterly useless at integrating youth. Oh, and is a tactical coward to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Moyes wouldn't be a good fit here. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 That is possible, but is Moyes record with youth actually that bad? Yeah, he didn't see Barkley (although last season may have been a bit early), but he did play/buy youngsters such as Rooney, Rodwell, Coleman, Osman, Junjuaz etc... He didn't buy a single one of them. Hard to not play Rooney really, he was that good. Osman was sent out on loan a few times, didn't start playing til he was 23/24. He really didn't progress Rodwell as much as could have been done, they ended up feeling they robbed City. Ok, Coleman & Januzaj. 2 Players in 12 years. He also messed about with Dan Gosling, who was well thought of and forgot to give him a new contract. I don't buy this stuff about him being a bad manager, or he did a bad job at Everton. Both are untrue, but he would not be a good fit for Saints. It's clear that any manager coming to Saints is going to have a mandate to focus on the academy and bring those players through. That simply is not Moyes. I'm sure he will go somewhere else and do just fine, but I'd be beyond surprised if that was at Saints. His record with youth is not good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 I don't buy this stuff about him being a bad manager, or he did a bad job at Everton. Both are untrue. I'm sure he will go somewhere else and do just fine. Unfortunately, for him, all the evidence points in one direction. I look forward to his next hugely successful foray into football management.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 He didn't buy a single one of them. Hard to not play Rooney really, he was that good. Osman was sent out on loan a few times, didn't start playing til he was 23/24. He really didn't progress Rodwell as much as could have been done, they ended up feeling they robbed City. Ok, Coleman & Januzaj. 2 Players in 12 years. He also messed about with Dan Gosling, who was well thought of and forgot to give him a new contract. I don't buy this stuff about him being a bad manager, or he did a bad job at Everton. Both are untrue, but he would not be a good fit for Saints. It's clear that any manager coming to Saints is going to have a mandate to focus on the academy and bring those players through. That simply is not Moyes. I'm sure he will go somewhere else and do just fine, but I'd be beyond surprised if that was at Saints. His record with youth is not good at all. MP Didn't buy Shaw, Chambers, Ward-Prowse, Lallana or Gallagher but he plays them. You could equally argue it's hard not to play Shaw. Not sure how anyone can say he didn't do a good job at Everton. When he went to Everton they were a poor team and nearly went down a couple of times, regularly finishing in the bottom 1/3rd of the league, in the 10 years proceeding him they only finished in the top half once and finishes of 14th-17th were usual. He had a tricky second season there but aside from that in 11 years there they only finished outside of the top 8 once and he hardly spent a fortune in the transfer market during his time there. Usual bandwagon jumpers trying to discredit his achievements it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 If MoPo did go i would hope we'd try and be progressive and go for a manager who the players could continue to work with - not one of the old breed like Moyes, Allardyce, Hughes etc whose teams play one way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 (Poor Old) Davey Moyes will end up at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Where does adkins fit into all this he is, after all, the next great english manager and new 'fergie' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Unfortunately, for him, all the evidence points in one direction. I look forward to his next hugely successful foray into football management.... That's absolute crap. He took over a team often battling relegation, and turned them into a team regularly finishing 5-7th. Martinez is most likely going to get them finishing 5th - yet he is a genius that has transformed the club? Explain that one to me. He did all this whilst having no money to spend, to bring in any players, he would have to sell his best players. He did this every year. He regularly bought players, improved them and sold them at a big profit. One poor season does not make him a poor manager. Yes, he doesn't play the most exciting of football. But how exactly do you think "all the evidence points" to him being a bad manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Moyes is so good with young players that he picked Phil Neville ahead of Barkley all last season. No thanks, and hopefully Poch stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 MP Didn't buy Shaw, Chambers, Ward-Prowse, Lallana or Gallagher but he plays them. You could equally argue it's hard not to play Shaw. Fair point, but I still don't think we would see Moyes thrusting Chambers into the team over Clyne or using JWP as regularly. Especially not starting all 3 (including Shaw) at the same time, with as much regularity. I've used this example before, but against Arsenal with Rickie injured and Ossie suspended, I don't think Moyes would have put faith in Gallagher. Granted he hardly set the world alight, but he did ok. I can't help but Moyes would have just stuck an extra man in midfield and tried to shut up shop. That's fine, but that isn't going to make you a good fit for Saints, who are clearly geared (for better or worse) towards developing the young guys from the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 (edited) That's absolute crap. He took over a team often battling relegation, and turned them into a team regularly finishing 5-7th. Martinez is most likely going to get them finishing 5th - yet he is a genius that has transformed the club? Explain that one to me. He did all this whilst having no money to spend, to bring in any players, he would have to sell his best players. He did this every year. He regularly bought players, improved them and sold them at a big profit. One poor season does not make him a poor manager. Yes, he doesn't play the most exciting of football. But how exactly do you think "all the evidence points" to him being a bad manager? Its an opinion. I don't rate him, as many don't. There isn't a single shred of evidence that suggests he's a good manager, only an average one. I'm more than happy for others to over rate him though, just as long as he doesn't end up here. http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-fans/an-open-letter-to-david-moyes/ Edited 23 April, 2014 by Solid Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Moyes had an unenviable task at Manure, taking a team that has a few excellent players but a majority of good players and trying to emulate Fergusons success whilst operating under constant scrutiny. With a team of just "good" players, he was always going to struggle as the top 4 or 5 have a wealth of excellent players at their disposal. Ferguson showed his managerial abilities by making those good players play consistently above their level to let the excellent players do their stuff. Moyes wasn't able to replicate this, but that doesn't mean to say he is a bad manager. To answer the OP's question, IMHO I don't think he'd be a good fit for Saints and the ambition they (presumably) still have, but in a different situation, say with the club wanting to operate at a financial level where they are not spending big amounts on players and are often seen as a middle tier PL club, he could do OK. T'would be boring though! And some managers need to fail in order for them to learn. Pulis has been mentioned recently as a miracle worker, which is not far wrong, but by crikey, he took his time and with a number of failures at lower league clubs along the way before he acquired enough skill and ability to manage well at PL level. Moyes will be a better manager for his experience at Manure, but I wouldn't want to necessarily see him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 I just think it could be quite likely, it's an opinion. As stated above, if we were to lose MP, why would we not pick Moyes? Was'nt Moyes interviewed by Saints before he joined Everton. If not, I think he was 'deffo' on the prospective list of candidates, while he was still at Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 As well as all the reasons that have already been listed above, I'll chuck in the fact that even at Everton, Moyes was on a salary of around £4m, which rose to around £5m at Man United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Its an opinion. I don't rate him, as many don't. There isn't a single shred of evidence that suggests he's a good manager, only an average one. I'm more than happy for others to over rate him though, just as long as he doesn't end up here. You're grasp on evidence and opinion clearly isn't very good. You're opinion is that he isn't very good. The evidence over a sustained period is to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Wow, what is all the vitriol about? It's all hypothetical and the post clearly asks for your thoughts on the situation if it did happen. You don't think that there is potential that MoPo leaves and the board look at who is around, and see a Manager that had a very good record at a medium sized club with small-ish finances that there is no way he would pick them? It is less hypothetical than totally random! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 You're grasp on evidence and opinion clearly isn't very good. You're opinion is that he isn't very good. The evidence over a sustained period is to the contrary. http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-fans/an-open-letter-to-david-moyes/ That's all the evidence you need other than your own eyes. Its always best to form your own opinion though, rather than repeating others rhetoric. Which is all that needs to be said on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-fans/an-open-letter-to-david-moyes/ That's all the evidence you need other than your own eyes. Its always best to form your own opinion though, rather than repeating others rhetoric. Which is all that needs to be said on this matter. Errm, again. This is opinion, not evidence. Even the comments are not unanimous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 A disaster.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 If the betting sites really are "rarely wrong" as stated, we're more likely to see Malky Mackay or Dan Petrescu at the helm than Moyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Errm, again. This is opinion, not evidence. Even the comments are not unanimous. Its indeed evidence of the discord that the Everton fans felt during his tenure. They were sick of his negative football amongst other reasons. But hey, they are all wrong, he's a great manager that brings success everywhere he goes with his superior tactics and man management. Just look at the sheer amount of records he managed to break whilst at Man U and just look how badly Everton have struggled since he left. Opinions hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 No chance of this happening, and thank goodness for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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