pap Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 From the Echo today:- http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11142112.Schneiderlin___why_this_is_a_huge_summer_for_the_Saints_board/?ref=mr Quite encouraging. Seems like if we invest, the players (Morgs at least) are up for staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Well duh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 11 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Well duh... Not exactly. Belies the conventional wisdom that they'll all be off to Big Club United the moment the phonecall comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 He should just speak to some of the clappers on here - they were very quick to pounce on Alpine when he said he was unsure and worried as we approach a cross roads. Some of the ITK posters assured him that there was nothing to worry about and he was being miserable. Perhaps we should let miserable the miserable Frenchman know too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 From the Echo today:- http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11142112.Schneiderlin___why_this_is_a_huge_summer_for_the_Saints_board/?ref=mr Quite encouraging. Seems like if we invest, the players (Morgs at least) are up for staying. Might get his wrist smacked for that. 3 to 5 new players ? Main players indicating that some are more equal than others ? He's right of course as some have been saying for a while. This says to me, invest and sign up Mauricio or I (and perhaps others) am off to play for a top 5 side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Might get his wrist smacked for that. 3 to 5 new players ? Main players indicating that some are more equal than others ? He's right of course as some have been saying for a while. This says to me, invest and sign up Mauricio or I (and perhaps others) am off to play for a top 5 side. It's basically, "I want to be playing for the best team possible, performing as well as possible." Which is perfectly understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 It's basically, "I want to be playing for the best team possible, performing as well as possible." Which is perfectly understandable. Of course it is but some (viz the "board") might well see it as an ultimatum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Same noise as Fonte and a few others. Basically sign up MP and strengthen again or the majority of us are off. We know what we need to do, it will be interesting to see how this summer goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 He should just speak to some of the clappers on here - they were very quick to pounce on Alpine when he said he was unsure and worried as we approach a cross roads. Some of the ITK posters assured him that there was nothing to worry about and he was being miserable. Perhaps we should let miserable the miserable Frenchman know too? LOL at your post being ignored. Totally underlines the "play the man, not the ball" mentality around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 It's a bit billy big ******** of him considering he can't even get in the French team, he needs to sit his ass down and stay in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Of course it is but some (viz the "board") might well see it as an ultimatum. I don't know. I thought he gave a similar interview around this time last year. It happens at clubs all over every season. If I can see what it is, I'm sure the new board are smarter than I and will be able to see this also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 I If I can see what it is, I'm sure the new board are smarter than I and will be able to see this also. I have no idea, they are basically Germans who as we all know tend to react badly to ultimata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 LOL at your post being ignored. Totally underlines the "play the man, not the ball" mentality around here. Maybe they have good forum manners and discusses that in your thread instead of derailing this with off topic posts? It´s not like your thread is empty of answers... Kind of fair, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Might get his wrist smacked for that. 3 to 5 new players ? Main players indicating that some are more equal than others ? He's right of course as some have been saying for a while. This says to me, invest and sign up Mauricio or I (and perhaps others) am off to play for a top 5 side. More likely the board approved beforehand what Morgan has said, and that this is probably an indication that they have the same outlook. The big challenge for Poch will be integrating 4 or 5 new players into the tightly knot squad that exists, he will certainly need to earn his keep on that side of things, unfortunately you could argue that he does not have the greatest track record given his apparent failure with Osvaldo. With the depth of the squad we have 4 or 5 has to be the target, maybe even 6, all players that need to challenge the current incumbents, not backups to sit on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 so, these comments seem totally fair to me, and don't think he is thinking he sees himself as 'bigger than the club' or definitely leaving. to me, it seems like he is saying we have what is essentially a once in a generation opportunity to break into the top echelon and he hopes we make it happen. I also read this as 'playing for a great club' desire as well. No reason it can't happen for Saints, just that it will rely on some solid action from the new leadership, which, with a massive amount coming in from TV revenue, is entirely plausible. if i was a top player, surrounded by other top future players, I'd want to see the same activity from the leadership whose team I played for. Saying it just shows that there is a desire to make it happen here. Nowt wrong with that. Hopefully the leadership are on that track anyway, which we won't know until the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 It's all pretty obvious stuff really. Morgan is a top player, young and ambitious. Being at Saints suits him and let's face it he is part of the furniture around here having been with us man and boy as it were. As long as the Club's ambition remains so will Morgan and his pals. Nobody likes change unless they are really ****e.d off or feel they are not part of the main act. Right now nobody seems to feel like that so why spoil a good party with plenty of life still left in it. MP is no exception, although he's been here for only 15 months it's clear from his big smile and high jinks around the training ground, this is his team, these are his kids and he is devoted to them. He would be bereft without them so why even think about leaving... he doesn't of course but where's the back page story in "happy manager wants to stay forever"? I have nothing but good vibes about the summer ahead and next season. The time to worry is when those smiles disappear and chinese whispers start; thankfully for once in our recent history it doesn't feel anywhere near that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Not exactly. Belies the conventional wisdom that they'll all be off to Big Club United the moment the phonecall comes in. Not really, Ive said this since the new board came in, its a dressing room committed to improvement but above all committed to each other. The board have always need to prove ambition in order to hold onto those top players for atleast another year. Without that committment then why would they in turn commit ? Its a two way thing. Personally though I cant see this new set up spending the required cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 LOL at your post being ignored. Totally underlines the "play the man, not the ball" mentality around here. Tbf alps, I agreed with you Plus out of you two atleast I 'think' you post your actual opinion rather that just try to stir things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 LOL at your post being ignored. I didn't even get chance to give it a bite rating. (7.4/10 for anyone interested) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Depends what he considers sufficient ambition manifested in expenditure to be shown by the board in attempting to break into the top 5 or 6. £20m spent? £30M? More? Where Saints need to start being a bit cleverer is looking at teams like Everton and their use of loans, our policy of developing our own talent is great, but sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture for the club and that can be the use of a loan from somewhere like Barcelona or Chelsea is that helps us challenge where we need to keep the club's momentum going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 11 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Not really, Ive said this since the new board came in, its a dressing room committed to improvement but above all committed to each other. The board have always need to prove ambition in order to hold onto those top players for atleast another year. Without that committment then why would they in turn commit ? Its a two way thing. Personally though I cant see this new set up spending the required cash. I'm honestly not sure what happens, but I can't imagine the likes of Krueger jumped on board to be part of a failure, or even a step backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 I'm honestly not sure what happens, but I can't imagine the likes of Krueger jumped on board to be part of a failure, or even a step backwards. Nor do I, but they could decide that they are happy for now to attempt to hold what they have, make a couple of cheap purchases, attempt to hold onto their best players and see how they get on ? My point is that one or two BIG signings signalling an intent should be enough to convince our young guns to stay for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Depends what he considers sufficient ambition manifested in expenditure to be shown by the board in attempting to break into the top 5 or 6. £20m spent? £30M? More? Where Saints need to start being a bit cleverer is looking at teams like Everton and their use of loans, our policy of developing our own talent is great, but sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture for the club and that can be the use of a loan from somewhere like Barcelona or Chelsea is that helps us challenge where we need to keep the club's momentum going. Even though I dont like the loan system myself I agree with that. But I also think this is probably the first time we as a club are interesting for players from those clubs to go out on loan to, tbh we haven´t been that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Even though I dont like the loan system myself I agree with that. But I also think this is probably the first time we as a club are interesting for players from those clubs to go out on loan to, tbh we haven´t been that before. Jacob Melis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Even though I dont like the loan system myself I agree with that. But I also think this is probably the first time we as a club are interesting for players from those clubs to go out on loan to, tbh we haven´t been that before. Loan is not really the apt word for cases like Lukaku, it should be called "renting". His 'loan' fee is around 4 million £ for the season plus of course his salary in full, probably 70K a week'ish. Great if it works out, not so much if the player gets injured or is a bit of a flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 (edited) Loan is not really the apt word for cases like Lukaku, it should be called "renting". His 'loan' fee is around 4 million £ for the season plus of course his salary in full, probably 70K a week'ish. Great if it works out, not so much if the player gets injured or is a bit of a flop. Yup, this idea that loans are a really cheap option is nonsense. Everton will probably end up paying close to what we paid for JRod by the time fees, salary etc are factored in [Edit this bit is referring just to Lukaku, I'm sure Barry wasn't cheap either]. End of that and he will go back to Chelsea, or they have bumped a few mill on to his sale price if he goes elsewhere. Whatever happens, at the end of the season Everton have to spend (probably quite serious) money just to stay as strong as they are now. Replacing Barry (who has impressed this season, I was unsure about that one, but definitely wrong), Lukaku (easier said than done, probably a £20m+ Striker) and Deulofeu (granted hasn't been first XI all season). All that before even thinking about progressing, building upon this season for next. It's not that great a model to be honest. Scrap the loan system for teams in the same league, all it does is encourage the Chelsea "buy-to-rent" approach to player recruitment. Edited 11 April, 2014 by KelvinsRightGlove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Even though I dont like the loan system myself I agree with that. But I also think this is probably the first time we as a club are interesting for players from those clubs to go out on loan to, tbh we haven´t been that before. Yes, different dynamic and change in approach, but we should be quite well set up for it, well regarded manager, rep for developing players and playing decent football. One of the ways we can attract top 5 players without breaking the bank or gambling too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Jacob Melis? How could I forget!! *Facepalmy thingy* Wasn´t Ronnie Ekelund a loan too, at first?? (I wont go there again....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Yup, this idea that loans are a really cheap option is nonsense. Everton will probably end up paying close to what we paid for JRod by the time fees, salary etc are factored in. End of that and he will go back to Chelsea, or they have bumped a few mill on to his sale price if he goes elsewhere. Whatever happens, at the end of the season Everton have to spend (probably quite serious) money just to stay as strong as they are now. Replacing Barry (who has impressed this season, I was unsure about that one, but definitely wrong), Lukaku (easier said than done, probably a £20m+ Striker) and Deulofeu (granted hasn't been first XI all season). All that before even thinking about progressing, building upon this season for next. It's not that great a model to be honest. Scrap the loan system for teams in the same league, all it does is encourage the Chelsea "buy-to-rent" approach to player recruitment. I'd like to completely scrap the loan system, but that's not going to happen. Yes, it's not completely cheap and yes it's not risk free, but it is a way of keeping the club's momentum going short-term with attracting players we couldn't otherwise it may do us good in the long-term if it helps keep hold of the likes of Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 The Everton point is a good one. I would also suggest Swansea as an example, they took De Guzman on loan with an option to sign and he's been a decent player without them having to break the bank before deciding what he can do for them. The one thing I picked up from Morgan's comments were about improving the team, didn't exactly say these have to be high profile signings. If we are to assume three or four signings we need not necessarily spend big on all of them, free transfers are always an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 I'd like to completely scrap the loan system, but that's not going to happen. Yes, it's not completely cheap and yes it's not risk free, but it is a way of keeping the club's momentum going short-term with attracting players we couldn't otherwise it may do us good in the long-term if it helps keep hold of the likes of Schneiderlin. Personally, I'm not so sure it does though. It's so short term. Using Everton as an example, they are effectively going to have to spend £20m-£30m just to stay where they are this season. this without any money coming in for the players leaving. Replacing their loan players, who have been very effective and helped them a lot this season, is extremely hard. If they do not do that, all the momentum is lost, they are a weakened team - and they don't even get the benefit of receiving a fee for the players lost. Granted, if they do make the CL places (which I hope they do, I like Everton and Martinez) then that cash will obviously help. But it is still a big gamble. Obviously just my opinion, but it is something I'd prefer us to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Too bad we couldn´t lure Diego to join. (Maybe a guy like Banega could be cheap in the summer....) Let´s say you could get £10m from Osvaldo and then add £15m from the club. With £25m you can strengthen quite allright, and find an FT (Maybe Aaron Hunt) on top of that and then you have a good situation without spending very big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Personally, I'm not so sure it does though. It's so short term. Using Everton as an example, they are effectively going to have to spend £20m-£30m just to stay where they are this season. this without any money coming in for the players leaving. Replacing their loan players, who have been very effective and helped them a lot this season, is extremely hard. If they do not do that, all the momentum is lost, they are a weakened team - and they don't even get the benefit of receiving a fee for the players lost. Granted, if they do make the CL places (which I hope they do, I like Everton and Martinez) then that cash will obviously help. But it is still a big gamble. Obviously just my opinion, but it is something I'd prefer us to avoid. Well staying where they are would be a strongly challenging for the top 4 with making it in their own hands, how much better do you expect them to do? Should they make the champions league then you'd have to say that the decision to take those loans was an excellent one, would it not? They'd also be in a great position to keep their best players and attract news one. Even if they dont a 5th placed finish would still represent European football and make them a very attractive propostion for a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Personally, I'm not so sure it does though. It's so short term. Using Everton as an example, they are effectively going to have to spend £20m-£30m just to stay where they are this season. this without any money coming in for the players leaving. Replacing their loan players, who have been very effective and helped them a lot this season, is extremely hard. If they do not do that, all the momentum is lost, they are a weakened team - and they don't even get the benefit of receiving a fee for the players lost. Granted, if they do make the CL places (which I hope they do, I like Everton and Martinez) then that cash will obviously help. But it is still a big gamble. Obviously just my opinion, but it is something I'd prefer us to avoid. But doing it has qualified them for Europe and put them on the brink of the top 4, as oppossed to being well off that, it's helped them become a much more attractive place for top footballers to be than if they were finishing 8th, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 For what its worth I don't want or expect us to follow the loan route to the extent Everton have, but it's definitely something a club in our position should look at and be open minded towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 (edited) Well staying where they are would be a strongly challenging for the top 4 with making it in their own hands, how much better do you expect them to do? Should they make the champions league then you'd have to say that the decision to take those loans was an excellent one, would it not? They'd also be in a great position to keep their best players and attract news one. Even if they dont a 5th placed finish would still represent European football and make them a very attractive propostion for a player. I never said any of that. I'd happily take being on that 4th/5th bubble. I havn't said they havn't done well, far from it I've often praised Everton & Martinez. The point was, as of the last day of the season (or date 'x' when their loans officially finish) they are instantly a weaker team, and they are not compensated monetarily at all for the players that have played an important in a very good season for them. Yes they can use the money they gain from the league, and if they do qualify, Champions League. But that is still doing so from a weaker position than they are now squad wise. It's not as if they have really progressed light years this season, they were regular 5-7 finishers under Moyes. Who was very good at picking up players, selling them on at a good profit and reinvesting that money wisely. EDIT: It' not just "staying where they are", it's the fact that they have to spend (heavily) just to have a squad as strong as theirs currently Edited 11 April, 2014 by KelvinsRightGlove Failed to actually make my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 (edited) I never said any of that. I'd happily take being on that 4th/5th bubble. I havn't said they havn't done well, far from it I've often praised Everton & Martinez. The point was, as of the last day of the season (or date 'x' when their loans officially finish) they are instantly a weaker team, and they are not compensated monetarily at all for the players that have played an important in a very good season for them. Yes they can use the money they gain from the league, and if they do qualify, Champions League. But that is still doing so from a weaker position than they are now squad wise. It's not as if they have really progressed light years this season, they were regular 5-7 finishers under Moyes. Who was very good at picking up players, selling them on at a good profit and reinvesting that money wisely. Yes you did say that, you said they would have to spend 20-30m to stay as good as they are. This maybe the case, but where they are is 15 points better off than us and champions league qualification theirs to lose. So say they spend £30m then get two more good loans in next season, would you not agree this is a clever and effective way of building a strong squad? You say they havent progress light years but with 6 games left they've got the same points as they finished on last season with champions league qualifcation within their grasp, last season they finished 6th and 10 points off it. That's good progress and if it was saints people would be boshing each other off over it. Edited 11 April, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 I never said any of that. I'd happily take being on that 4th/5th bubble. I havn't said they havn't done well, far from it I've often praised Everton & Martinez. The point was, as of the last day of the season (or date 'x' when their loans officially finish) they are instantly a weaker team, and they are not compensated monetarily at all for the players that have played an important in a very good season for them. Yes they can use the money they gain from the league, and if they do qualify, Champions League. But that is still doing so from a weaker position than they are now squad wise. It's not as if they have really progressed light years this season, they were regular 5-7 finishers under Moyes. Who was very good at picking up players, selling them on at a good profit and reinvesting that money wisely. Everton are also a very old team,comparatively speaking, if they suddenly need to start replacing their old men and their loan players they are going to be in a crappy situation. In theory they could need to sign up to 8 players this summer and if you're looking for CL quality then that's going to be pretty costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Hopefully, tomorrow v Cardiff... we win 4-0 AND Morgan will now be 100% and totally back up to the top class performances of the past. COYS:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 (edited) Yes you did say that, you said they would have to spend 20-30m to stay as good as they are. This maybe the case, but where they are is 15 points better off than us and champions league qualification theirs to lose. So say they spend £30m then get two more good loans in next season, would you not agree this is a clever and effective way of building a strong squad? You say they havent progress light years but with 6 games left they've got the same points as they finished on last season with champions league qualifcation within their grasp, last season they finished 6th and 10 points off it. That's good progress and if it was saints people would be boshing each other off over it. As I said in my edit, which I wrote before seeing this post. It's case of spending heavily just to keep the strong as strong as it is now. Personally I don't think that is a great model, wherever you are. If you are at the bottom of the table, and having a couple of loans players that help keep you up and then leave at the end of the season, you are in a position of having to spend heavily just to keep your noses above water once more. It hardly smacks of looking to continually improve. Maybe, I am just spoiled by the few years of progressive improvement we have had of late. I'm happy for our goal to be to try and keep doing that. I'm not saying they haven't progressed at all this year, of course they have. Again, Martinez has done a very good job. They have every right to be boshing each other off. I absolutely would be if I was in their position. EDIT: The way Everton have been talked about of late is mostly as if they have rocketed up the league on the back of Martinez and a couple of loan signings. Comments such as Martinez is making Moyes look average have been posted on here, and I disagree. I think it shows what a good set up Moyes had, and Martinez has been able to build upon that. Everton were still 6th last season (a position i'd happily take Saints being in), and they had been bobbing around there for a few years. It has probably helped them how poor Utd & Tottenham have been (by their standards/money spent) this season too As I said, it's just my personal preference. I like how we attempt to go about things, and as I have said I don't really like the loan system for the reasons I have given. Neither way is fool proof or with out problems. Yes, they may get in two good loans again. But they may get in two loans that turn out to be complete flops. Would be surprised if they actually went out at spent £30m, even with a CL place. Everton have always had to sell before they can buy. Edited 11 April, 2014 by KelvinsRightGlove Done it again, FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 It's basically, "I want to be playing for the best team possible, performing as well as possible." Which is perfectly understandable. Can't blame him for that Realistically, if you're honest, we are NOT the "best team possible", and I have not in any way changed my mind that if offers come in from teams that can offer European competition, then the players will be off without a shred of doubt Morgan is just preparing us for his departure, which won't be long in coming once the season ends IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Can't blame him for that Realistically, if you're honest, we are NOT the "best team possible", and I have not in any way changed my mind that if offers come in from teams that can offer European competition, then the players will be off without a shred of doubt Morgan is just preparing us for his departure, which won't be long in coming once the season ends IMHO We'll see when the full interview actually hits the OS. Strange that it hasn't already, can't believe that he's given a maverick interview just to the Echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 As I said in my edit, which I wrote before seeing this post. It's case of spending heavily just to keep the strong as strong as it is now. Personally I don't think that is a great model, wherever you are. If you are at the bottom of the table, and having a couple of loans players that help keep you up and then leave at the end of the season, you are in a position of having to spend heavily just to keep your noses above water once more. It hardly smacks of looking to continually improve. Maybe, I am just spoiled by the few years of progressive improvement we have had of late. I'm happy for our goal to be to try and keep doing that. I'm not saying they haven't progressed at all this year, of course they have. Again, Martinez has done a very good job. They have every right to be boshing each other off. I absolutely would be if I was in their position. EDIT: The way Everton have been talked about of late is mostly as if they have rocketed up the league on the back of Martinez and a couple of loan signings. Comments such as Martinez is making Moyes look average have been posted on here, and I disagree. I think it shows what a good set up Moyes had, and Martinez has been able to build upon that. Everton were still 6th last season (a position i'd happily take Saints being in), and they had been bobbing around there for a few years. It has probably helped them how poor Utd & Tottenham have been (by their standards/money spent) this season too As I said, it's just my personal preference. I like how we attempt to go about things, and as I have said I don't really like the loan system for the reasons I have given. Neither way is fool proof or with out problems. Yes, they may get in two good loans again. But they may get in two loans that turn out to be complete flops. Would be surprised if they actually went out at spent £30m, even with a CL place. Everton have always had to sell before they can buy. You may well be happy with a few years of "Progressive improvement", but if we were to take Schneiderlin's comments at face value, he wants a bit more than that over the next couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 (edited) LOL at your post being ignored. Totally underlines the "play the man, not the ball" mentality around here. That's what tends to happen when most other posters have him on "ignore". Here's a question... Are the people that were happy to see the back of Nicola Cortese because he was nasty to Matty and Franny and he had bad PR skills, the same people now worried by Katharina's drive and determination to take this club forward. Edited 11 April, 2014 by Marsdinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 You may well be happy with a few years of "Progressive improvement", but if we were to take Schneiderlin's comments at face value, he wants a bit more than that over the next couple of seasons. Which is quite obvious really. As I've said many times players want to be all they can be and that means playing at the highest standards which they believe reachable to them. When Cortese went I said that it would cause some consternation among the top players because they want European football and Cortese seems to have promised it to them or at least led them to believe that it was our immediate goal. Morgan turned down a move to Sociedad last season because he believed that he would get European football with Saints in the forseeable future. That decision probably cost him a place at the WC. Then in January he almost went to Arsenal but we were supposedly asking for too much and there was neither time or a structure in place to haggle, that was his last chance of a WC place this summer. So now he's come out and said it, with or without the club's consent I suspect that if they're prepared to invest in "the dream" he and other top players will be willing to stay, if not it's sayonara, or in his case àdieu.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 You may well be happy with a few years of "Progressive improvement", but if we were to take Schneiderlin's comments at face value, he wants a bit more than that over the next couple of seasons. I'm not sure I read it quite like that. He wants the team to be strengthened, and the manager to stay from what I perceive that interview to mean. 3 or so signings, a GK (a better than Bpruc/better number 2 may well have gained us a few points this season, possibly - it's obviously hard to say with any certainty) a CB & a ST and we are a stronger team. The nippers will be better for another years experience, as will most of the team which are mostly pretty young. I'm not saying that alone is going to propel us into Champions League, but if he is dead set on CL football - chances are even with some serious investment from the management (Tottenham bought in over £100m's worth of talent and will most likely be further away from CL this season than last, though yes they did lose Bale - who carried them at times last season) we would be unlikely to get CL anyway - then we are probably going to lose Morgan either way. I don't think he is about to walk away, but that's just my interpretation of it. There may well come a day where he does leave for a club at that level, and if so fair enough, I'll wish him the best and I'm sure Saints will be handsomely rewarded monetarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Sounds to me like the new style seemingly lack of drive and ambition from the new board is not sitting too well with the players. To many comments like this are starting to be made in public. I recon they'll give The new board until January to see if they're fit to fill Cortese's boots, then the exodus will begin....We may not see so many players actually leave in Jan, but the wheels will be put in motion for the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 I'm not sure I read it quite like that. He wants the team to be strengthened, and the manager to stay from what I perceive that interview to mean. 3 or so signings, a GK (a better than Bpruc/better number 2 may well have gained us a few points this season, possibly - it's obviously hard to say with any certainty) a CB & a ST and we are a stronger team. The nippers will be better for another years experience, as will most of the team which are mostly pretty young. I'm not saying that alone is going to propel us into Champions League, but if he is dead set on CL football - chances are even with some serious investment from the management (Tottenham bought in over £100m's worth of talent and will most likely be further away from CL this season than last, though yes they did lose Bale - who carried them at times last season) we would be unlikely to get CL anyway - then we are probably going to lose Morgan either way. I don't think he is about to walk away, but that's just my interpretation of it. There may well come a day where he does leave for a club at that level, and if so fair enough, I'll wish him the best and I'm sure Saints will be handsomely rewarded monetarily. Champions League hasn't really been mentioned, top 6 does seem important though; "He said: “If they say to the main players and to the gaffer ‘Listen, we’re going to make you sign a long-term contract, we’re going to keep the main players in there, we’re going to bring in three, four, five more players to improve that squad to be in the top six’ then why not? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Always wary of commenting on interviews as too often they are misconstrued, taken out of context or selectively edited. But IMHO this sounds a little like Morgan is getting his excuses in early if someone bigger than us comes in for him (or perhaps he has already been tapped up?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2014 Share Posted 11 April, 2014 Always wary of commenting on interviews as too often they are misconstrued, taken out of context or selectively edited. But IMHO this sounds a little like Morgan is getting his excuses in early if someone bigger than us comes in for him (or perhaps he has already been tapped up?). He wants to move forward, think non-selection for the WC when there are lesser players in his role has dealt him an awful blow. There is no way garbage like Guilavogui or Mavuba should be in the French side ahead of him, if it's down to being in Deschamps line of sight then he's obviously determined to correct that. Also I fear that some of our players might be concerned about our squad depth, to see yourself slipping down the table because you have to play with junk like Jos and Gazza might displease more than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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