St Marco Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Yeah but that has nothing to do with The board at saints couldn't really use the loyalty card on Mopo like Espanyol could. Why not? We gave him his first job since leaving Spain. We gave him funds to buy players. We allowed him to do his interviews in a different language even though that is not normal in the PL. And so on. By all accounts he has become quite close to the players. There are plenty of things that would make him stay loyal. Maybe because the guy who brought him in has left, players who is close to seem to be leaving and he might not have the funds to bring in replacements makes him question what he is actually being loyal too? I don't think he is this disloyal person you are trying to portray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Columb Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I don't understand it when people say players will leave if the manager leaves, it's not as though they will all go to the same team and play for the same manager again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 or, he could not have that clause and just walk out Indeed, have any club ever succeded in holding a manager to his contract, it's not the same as for players. The club does not hold their registration, managers can resign, isn't that what we wanted Adkins to do at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I don't understand it when people say players will leave if the manager leaves, it's not as though they will all go to the same team and play for the same manager again no, one will go to Man U, one to Liverpool, one to Arse and prob a couple now to the yids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 If you sign ambitious young managers who subsequently do well this is always going to happen. The trick is putting the structures in place to have seamless transitions when they leave. Swansea have done so ( although the jury will be out on monk), and Wigan did for a bit . From Jewell to Bruce to RM, although coyle was a screw up. I just hope the supporters and board keep their heads and give the new bloke a fair crack of the whip. Its gonna be harder than last season, particularly if we lose a few. As for MP. I don't see what the board can do. His out was Nicola going and I suppose we should be grateful he saw out the season. His stocks never been higher and as I said, next season will be tough. Look at laudrap , one season wins a cup and its "Brendon who", the next season its bye bye. I just hope our fan base don't make fools of themselves crying and moaning on twitter and booing him. I'll treat him the way he treated us, with indifference. This is going to be a tricky time for the board and no doubt this forum will be doom and gloom. Whether Nicola and MP were still here or not, Shaw,Adam and others will have attracted offers and will have been tempted. MP leaving just gives players a way out, their agents will see to that. Personally I don't begrudge Adam or even MS a move and Shaw is so good a move is inevitable. The board need to ensure the lovren's and Victor's, jrod and chambers stay to ensure a degree of normality. Provided the core of the side stick together , the transfer money in is invested OK and the board make a decent appointment, there's no reason we can finish in the top 10 again. We just need to accept that this is the modern game, managers stay 18 months/2 years than are sacked or move to bigger clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 he probably remembers us protesting at him when he arrived. Delldays, one your favourite repetitive routines is how the much promised great big protest didn't materialise at the Everton game, so what you chatting about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 His loyalty extended as far as Cortese and the players. That's it. ...and himself of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 If you sign ambitious young managers who subsequently do well this is always going to happen. The trick is putting the structures in place to have seamless transitions when they leave. Swansea have done so ( although the jury will be out on monk), and Wigan did for a bit . From Jewell to Bruce to RM, although coyle was a screw up. I just hope the supporters and board keep their heads and give the new bloke a fair crack of the whip. Its gonna be harder than last season, particularly if we lose a few. As for MP. I don't see what the board can do. His out was Nicola going and I suppose we should be grateful he saw out the season. His stocks never been higher and as I said, next season will be tough. Look at laudrap , one season wins a cup and its "Brendon who", the next season its bye bye. I just hope our fan base don't make fools of themselves crying and moaning on twitter and booing him. I'll treat him the way he treated us, with indifference. This is going to be a tricky time for the board and no doubt this forum will be doom and gloom. Whether Nicola and MP were still here or not, Shaw,Adam and others will have attracted offers and will have been tempted. MP leaving just gives players a way out, their agents will see to that. Personally I don't begrudge Adam or even MS a move and Shaw is so good a move is inevitable. The board need to ensure the lovren's and Victor's, jrod and chambers stay to ensure a degree of normality. Provided the core of the side stick together , the transfer money in is invested OK and the board make a decent appointment, there's no reason we can finish in the top 10 again. We just need to accept that this is the modern game, managers stay 18 months/2 years than are sacked or move to bigger clubs. If we lose the manager, lallana, shaw, spider, the core of the side has obviously not stuck together though has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 If we lose the manager' date=' lallana, shaw, spider, the core of the side has obviously not stuck together though has it?[/quote'] We will be left with the solid pro's rather than the X Factor players that really make the difference at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 If MP goes, what we need is a manager who is on his way up like MP not one that is on his way down like say Mark Hughes. It's going to be a rough ride and haven't renewed my ST yet. I guess I will as always but sometimes you just feel like throwing the towel in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 JRod will be joining him at Spurs I think you will find. Probably not til Jan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Other interesting aspect is the club not bothering to inform us that we have allowed Spurs permission to speak to MP. Despite improved communications being their only real selling point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 if he goes, despite us reportedly offering him good money, then it will be because spurs are offering him the ambition and support to get into the top 4 - nicola had the same vision here. based on this i assume the ambition of saints fc is no longer top 4, 6 or even 8! perhaps just a stable club in the prem - much better than a few years back but quite a sudden come down after the last few seasons. if i was lallana et al i'd be off like a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Other interesting aspect is the club not bothering to inform us that we have allowed Spurs permission to speak to MP. Despite improved communications being their only real selling point. its alright. Fan on the Board types can call the boss 'Ralph' and say everyone is smiling again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 its alright. Fan on the Board types can call the boss 'Ralph' and say everyone is smiling again Whole setup now is baffling. Reed aside, there is nobody doing a role they are actually qualified for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The one upside is we won't have to put up with MP potentially leaving every 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 He has one year remaining on his Southampton contract but wanted answers from the new board over the direction of the club before committing his future. "It's up to the board to discuss with me the new project that will be in place for next season," Pochettino told BBC South Today on 9 May. "It's not up to me to decide when those talks will happen." Nice one Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Whole setup now is baffling. Reed aside, there is nobody doing a role they are actually qualified for. Groundsman of the year, flourishing academy / sports science and a decent media team aside you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 He has one year remaining on his Southampton contract but wanted answers from the new board over the direction of the club before committing his future. "It's up to the board to discuss with me the new project that will be in place for next season," Pochettino told BBC South Today on 9 May. "It's not up to me to decide when those talks will happen." Nice one Ralph. as Fitzhugh told us 'Ralph' is on holiday (he can call him by his first name apparently) Got our club back, YAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Whole setup now is baffling. Reed aside, there is nobody doing a role they are actually qualified for. How are we going to decide on the replacement? Really can't see RK or KL sitting around a table offering potential candidates (from footballing backgrounds, anyway) so the decision is basically going to be Les Reed's. Bizarre autonomy for a 'department head' to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 He has one year remaining on his Southampton contract but wanted answers from the new board over the direction of the club before committing his future. "It's up to the board to discuss with me the new project that will be in place for next season," Pochettino told BBC South Today on 9 May. "It's not up to me to decide when those talks will happen." Nice one Ralph. Apparently Ralph is in Canada, just the place to be at these crucial times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Apparently Ralph is in Canada, just the place to be at these crucial times. Probably interviewing some Hockey managers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Groundsman of the year, flourishing academy / sports science and a decent media team aside you mean? I see we're looking for a new Academy analyst, does that mean that Fran has gone or that the first team analyst has gone and she's been promoted..or none of these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Groundsman of the year, flourishing academy / sports science and a decent media team aside you mean? Obviously. I mean Krueger, Rogers, Hofsetter. These guys are in charge of a PL football team. Its scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 He's not the only manager in the world and not the only manager who can do good things with a young squad. Yes he's been good for us as we have for him. If he goes, then he has decided to go, so bollix to him. There is not much we can do apart from give him a load of grief/banter/whatever when he comes back down next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Probably interviewing some Hockey managers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 All over the BBC now, think this thread can be made a sticky and renamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Groundsman of the year, flourishing academy / sports science and a decent media team aside you mean? Radio station and top catering seems the only area we can progress from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 atkins is comin back 20/1 corals get on it , les `s mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 atkins is comin back 20/1 corals get on it , les `s mate!please no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 atkins is comin back 20/1 corals get on it , les `s mate! ADKINS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Sod it let's get diego simeone in Return to good old red and white stripes he ll never no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 He's also got better teeth than poch That's one thing that worried me about him , a man of his stature should have pearly whites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I'd have Adkins back like a shot. Football wasn't as good but took us up two leagues and also understands the fans and has warmth for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 He won't go with my best wishes, we picked him up when he had nothing, and this is the loyalty he shows us. Hope he fails massively there, which he inevitably will. Hope the board pull a rabbit out of the hat and appoint someone who isn't so one-dimensional. A big name who would have the players immediate respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Haven't looked at anything sine this morning. Is there some solid reasonably to beileve MP is definitely off? Looking through the last couple of pages i can't see it. Is it just the article saying he's in talks or is there more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The club need to either confirm this or deny they have given permission imo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 All over sky sports news and now on BBC sport ...it looks game set and match that he is gone in 48 hours. I hate to get negative on this and the board have been put in a hard place by cortese in effect, but you have got to question there honesty to communication that they promised and question where we are going from here. The flip side is that it shows the danger of giving one man too much power, Cortese gone, mopo seems to be following and it's hard to see players won't follow. Hopefully the structure of the club is changing so that individual changes have less effect in the future and I think this is the direction KL is taking but maybe 12 months to late....I'm guessing we might now have some short term pain but come back stronger, eventually. Nigel Adkins back anyone - drawer a blue line and move forward together as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Obviously. I mean Krueger, Rogers, Hofsetter. These guys are in charge of a PL football team. Its scary. Not really, they all have solid respectable backgrounds in their field. Perhaps they played hard ball with MP and wouldn't bend over for him, or put up with his continual posturing. Very few outside of the SMS boardroom really know what is going on. Let's see what the summer brings in totality before declaring 'Meltdown'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Not really, they all have solid respectable backgrounds in their field. Perhaps they played hard ball with MP and wouldn't bend over for him, or put up with his continual posturing. Very few outside of the SMS boardroom really know what is going on. Let's see what the summer brings in totality before declaring 'Meltdown'. Very fair comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I'd have Adkins back like a shot. Football wasn't as good but took us up two leagues and also understands the fans and has warmth for us. I wouldn't say Nigel's football wasn't good, different, but general good to watch. Nigel's problem was his teams were a bit to open at the back due to being pretty attacking. Having said that I don't reckon he would have done that bad this season with the extra players we bought in last summer Lovern and big Vic would have given us more stability at the back for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 as Fitzhugh told us 'Ralph' is on holiday (he can call him by his first name apparently) Got our club back, YAY I said no such thing, all I said was I have been told he is in Canada, people on here are assuming it is a holiday and now you are saying it as if it is a fact. Please don't misquote me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Very fair comment. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The club need to either confirm this or deny they have given permission imo ! Come on, that requires them making a decision and doing some work...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 as Fitzhugh told us 'Ralph' is on holiday (he can call him by his first name apparently) Got our club back, YAY Yep... Next stop we get our stripes back, then the ST holders are REALLY happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Batman . Duncan did not say Ralph was on holiday in Canada . You or some else added that . Besides he is based in swtzerland is he not . I mentioned earlier there is the celebration of excellence re the recent Olympics he might have been invited back there as he was part of the gold winning team at the time and has been asked back to do that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Not really, they all have solid respectable backgrounds in their field. Perhaps they played hard ball with MP and wouldn't bend over for him, or put up with his continual posturing. Very few outside of the SMS boardroom really know what is going on. Let's see what the summer brings in totality before declaring 'Meltdown'. Krueger and Hofsetter have no football background. Krueger has never been a Chairman of a Sports Club. Rogers is a Financial Officer and oversaw our "financially difficult" scenario and has never been a CEO of a Company. Too much inexperience at once IMO and the PL not the place to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Not really, they all have solid respectable backgrounds in their field. Perhaps they played hard ball with MP and wouldn't bend over for him, or put up with his continual posturing. Very few outside of the SMS boardroom really know what is going on. Let's see what the summer brings in totality before declaring 'Meltdown'. Couple of things, maybe we should reserve judgement until; a) more than 'sky sports understands in advanced talks headline is only followed up with spurs make him their main targe... b) we know his reasons for going.... Seems to me that if he goes it's less about loyalty and more about having the side broken up... We'll see what happens, but I dot currently have any faith in our board if they have even granted him permission to talk to spurs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey88 Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Will be a shame if it is true, but if it is and our destiny isn't to break into the top 4 or whatever it is that some people want then I can happily live with being the club that produces and provides exciting young players for the national team, even if they do later move on to bigger and better things. There are a lot of worse situations to find yourself in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Krueger and Hofsetter have no football background. Krueger has never been a Chairman of a Sports Club. Rogers is a Financial Officer and oversaw our "financially difficult" scenario and has never been a CEO of a Company. Too much inexperience at once IMO and the PL not the place to learn. I am sure you have never been a board member at a £100m turnover company, but your inexperience doesn't stop you having an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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