Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Can you not see that it's not about contracts, it's about ambition. What's the point of a 5 year contract at 80K a week if it's to have a choice between 2 not very good academy kids at GK or CB or whatever. MP would have stayed with us (and still might) if the board had been willing to spend what is necessary not to have the awful Gazzaniga in goal ever again, not to have to play Jos accident waiting to happen Hooiveld and not have a 19 year old leggy bambi poncing about at CF because you have no other choice. Any manager worth the name would reject those conditions if he had a better offer. Regardless of who is our manager next season, none of those players will play as many games for us next season as they did this season just gone - a season where MP had been manager over the pre-season that saw £30m+ of expediture that didn't adequately resolve any of those issues you list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Tottenham are a joke of a club, horrendously run. I'm assuming Poch has some understanding of that, which makes it all the more worrying that he's decided to go there, what can it say about the powers that be at St Marys!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Les Reed Thought crossed my mind the other day to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I hope he has a miserable time there and is a pitiful failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Test of our board will be just how quickly, and of what calibre replacement comes in. If we get a statement saying 'we'll now start the search for a new manager' I'll be mightily ****ed off. Surely they'd have ideas on a replacement already. Don't hold your breath eh !!!!! I bet you will all be completely underwhelmed when MoPo's successor is announced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Fing spurs again Just sod off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I hope he has a miserable time there and is a pitiful failure I reckon thats a given. What magical talent he think he has considernig those that have gone before him, I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The new Board is all fur coat and no knickers......................Still, life goes on. I would have thought NC was the very definition of fur coat and no knickers. If MP had decided to go once NC had left what could the board have done? And saying KL should just have thrown money at. It isn't an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Fing spurs again Just sod off What does that say about us when we cannot fend off their attention ? Cortese has gone. The party is over, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The new Board is all fur coat and no knickers...................... Not such a bad thing if you fancy a quicky in a chilly place...take it from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Of course, you are - you are claiming that you don't know what else the board could have done to keep everyone happy. That the board has done everything it can. That's a massive assumption when we're in the dark about its ambitions and spending plans. Ok, let me spell this out very clearly for you - from what we know and are aware of, what more could the board have done to guarantee that MP would turn down Spurs and stay with us? I think some of the blame of MP is over-the-top, and a lot of the criticism of the board is. Various statements about the board doing nothing but rolling over and allowing this to happen - is that not a massive assumption Shurlock? Why are you not going around and pulling people up for that, as you clearly dislike assumptions so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Too late. They have already made one Major decision, no more funding at the level MARKUS envisaged. That meant that the "Project" as sold by Cortese to Pochettino was no longer there, because KL made that clear to Cortese Cortese wanted to continue building SFC into a BIG Football Club. So when KL told him that wasn't going to happen, Cortese left Pochettino was sold the "Project" by Cortese, but when that was turned into dust by KL, Pochettino had no allegiance to KL So Pochettino looked for a Club who DO have BIG aspirations I don't blame him one bit Definitely OUR loss, as the starting line up for next season will prove ( I see Liverpool have managed to keep hold of their Manager, so it can be done ) Oh yeah that's just the same................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Les Reed Thought crossed my mind the other day to. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Can you not see that it's not about contracts, it's about ambition. What's the point of a 5 year contract at 80K a week if it's to have a choice between 2 not very good academy kids at GK or CB or whatever. MP would have stayed with us (and still might) if the board had been willing to spend what is necessary not to have the awful Gazzaniga in goal ever again, not to have to play Jos accident waiting to happen Hooiveld and not have a 19 year old leggy bambi poncing about at CF because you have no other choice. Any manager worth the name would reject those conditions if he had a better offer. I'll ask you again. How do you know what the Board has committed to deliver (other than not selling players that Pochettino wants to keep)? And, as a follow-up, do you seriously think that anyone at the club views Jos and Gazzaniga as adequate back-up? You don't normally post rubbish but citing those examples in support of your viewpoint was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Is ill be vey disappointed in Liebherr, Pochettino and Krueger if that's true. to Spurs of all clubs - a joke of a football club at the best if times - so what does that make us!? If Katherine Liebherr doesn't even want to keep Saints where they are she should sell the club and move on Letting Pochettino go will Lead to an exodus of our best players - they have all more or less said they will leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Not sure why people blame Pochettino? Pretty sure he would have stayed had the conditions been to his liking. It depends on what his conditions were - but nobody with any sense is blaming Pochettino or the board. It's football and good people go to good clubs, but more importantly we don't know what was offered. Maybe the board could and should have offered more, maybe the best they could possibly offer wasn't enough. We might never know. Letting Pochettino go will Lead to an exodus of our best players - they have all more or less said they will leave No player has said that. Some will leave but there will be no exodus. It just doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The Dream died the day Cortese left. The contract thing should have been handled weeks ago, instead we have had this namby pamby approach from the board and this is what happens. Makes us look like fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Wonder if Joe Lewis would or could replace Levy with Cortese!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Jesus wept. I know, shocking. It's 'too' FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 It depends on what his conditions were - but nobody with any sense is blaming Pochettino or the board. It's football and good people go to good clubs, but more importantly we don't know what was offered. Maybe the board could and should have offered more, maybe the best they could possibly offer wasn't enough. We might never know. I see a flaw in your rationale there. If Levy made Spurs more attractive than Saints, the blame is entirely with our board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I see a flaw in your rationale there. If Levy made Spurs more attractive than Saints, the blame is entirely with our board. If Levy made Spurs more attractive by offering Pochettino massive wages and a £200m transfer budget, our board could not be blamed for failing to keep him. We cannot compete with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I see a flaw in your rationale there. If Levy made Spurs more attractive than Saints, the blame is entirely with our board. Spurs is more attractive than Saints. No effort required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 If Levy made Spurs more attractive by offering Pochettino massive wages and a £200m transfer budget, our board could not be blamed for failing to keep him. Make a sensible comment, and I'll consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The Dream died the day Cortese left. The contract thing should have been handled weeks ago, instead we have had this namby pamby approach from the board and this is what happens. Makes us look like fools. Except Poch refused to discuss his contract with the board until the season ended. After all he knew he was off so there was no point giving saints a bigger compensation claim by signing a new juicy contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The Dream died the day Cortese left. The contract thing should have been handled weeks ago, instead we have had this namby pamby approach from the board and this is what happens. Makes us look like fools. Interesting, I take it you're ITK on what's gone on behind the scenes? Keep us all updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Go big and pay out for De Boer, he wants a Premier League job and we can offer him an attractive side with a top class academy which plays entirely into his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Les Reed has made it clear discussions started weeks ago about a new contract, the problem is the **** didn't want to sign it. Now we know why. We'll move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Spurs is more attractive than Saints. No effort required. The manager of a club like Saints deciding to go to Spurs is like turkeys voting for Xmas (which is as long as he'll last..) Why is it more attractive, if it isnt that you dont like what's on offer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I'll ask you again. How do you know what the Board has committed to deliver (other than not selling players that Pochettino wants to keep)? And, as a follow-up, do you seriously think that anyone at the club views Jos and Gazzaniga as adequate back-up? You don't normally post rubbish but citing those examples in support of your viewpoint was ridiculous. If Mauricio goes to Tottenham then you can only assume it's because our board were unwilling or unable to do what was required to keep him here because I'm convinced that he wouldn't want to go there otherwise. We have had a few players saying what they thought ought to be done, number 1 was signing Pochettino to a new contract come what may cost wise. As for selling players Shaw looks to be gone, do you think Pochettino didn't want him to stay. Schneiderlin is as good as gone, he's openly come out and said he wants to go but isn't going to ask for a move. There again I doubt that Pochettino wanted to get rid of him.Then there are the issues of Cork and Fonte with Cork saying no-one has approached him about a new deal even though he could in theory walk away for free next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Make a sensible comment, and I'll consider it. Thank you for your patience, Sensei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Interesting, I take it you're ITK on what's gone on behind the scenes? Keep us all updated. Don't need to be ITK to see that our board had an opportunity to sort this out weeks or even months ago. Instead all we had was this gash about being in no rush, He still has a year to run on his contract, all is good in our garden rubbish. If Cortese had still been at the helm, then this would not have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 As one poster said...............he'll be gone by Christmas. Silly man. I don't think so. He will build them into a very good team Like he did with us KL and the Board HAVE let SFC down very badly IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The manager of a club like Saints deciding to go to Spurs is like turkeys voting for Xmas (which is as long as he'll last..) Why is it more attractive, if it isnt that you dont like what's on offer ? So he's a rubbish manager then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Les Reed has made it clear discussions started weeks ago about a new contract, the problem is the **** didn't want to sign it. Now we know why. We'll move on. Should have started months ago, IMO. Stalled on it for too long, all the crap about leaving it to the end of the season was just that - utter bull crap. If he wanted to stay it would have been done, so MP has been an idiot and the club have been naive and strung along. Amateurs. Same will be happening with Cork, Fonte and Jay if we're not careful. Common rule in football is not to let key players get to less than 18 months remaining on their contracts, as after this point agents and players will start getting twitchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 It depends on what his conditions were - but nobody with any sense is blaming Pochettino or the board. It's football and good people go to good clubs, but more importantly we don't know what was offered. Don't blame the board for not being able to keep him. I blame the way they have let it play out. Telling us they were "comfortable" and then nothing.... Spurs have been playing us for 2 months and we let it go on like we didnt realise. We have let them mess up our summer planning by not being firmer when it was first obvious they wanted him and telling them to either get it done then or back off. Our new Manager will have to get to know the squad, we will lose players and probably not have replaced before we start the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Go big and pay out for De Boer, he wants a Premier League job and we can offer him an attractive side with a top class academy which plays entirely into his hands. Unproven in the PL..no thanks. Laudrup would be my choice, won't want to come for a shoestring budget though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Alpine - Spurs versus Saints minus Shaw and Lallana (plus JR for half the season) and lower investment is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Unproven in the PL..no thanks. Laudrup would be my choice, won't want to come for a shoestring budget though. So you only want a manager that is proven in the PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Oh yeah that's just the same................ My point was, they WANTED to keep him, and have made DAMN SURE that they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 What does that say about us when we cannot fend off their attention ? Cortese has gone. The party is over, dude. But at least you enjoyed it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Don't need to be ITK to see that our board had an opportunity to sort this out weeks or even months ago. Instead all we had was this gash about being in no rush, He still has a year to run on his contract, all is good in our garden rubbish. If Cortese had still been at the helm, then this would not have happened. It was MP he refused to discuss his new contract not the board I can only assume MP was smiling sweetly at the board while sending little love notes to Levy.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Don't blame the board for not being able to keep him. I blame the way they have let it play out. Telling us they were "comfortable" and then nothing.... Spurs have been playing us for 2 months and we let it go on like we didnt realise. We have let them mess up our summer planning by not being firmer when it was first obvious they wanted him and telling them to either get it done then or back off.Our new Manager will have to get to know the squad, we will lose players and probably not have replaced before we start the games. And you know that didn't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 To be honest, THEVMAN did warn us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Alpine - Spurs versus Saints minus Shaw and Lallana (plus JR for half the season) and lower investment is a no brainer. I agree with you; thats exactly what I am saying. Our board arent serious enough about moving forwards, and their vision is utter pants if a club with the managerial history of Spurs is more attractive. We would have been better off if KL had put us up for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 My point was, they WANTED to keep him, and have made DAMN SURE that they did Well unless I'm mistaken a bigger (or any) club , bearing in mind he is at Liverpool, wasn't trying to poach Rodgers perhaps we can compare again when Real Madrid want Rodgers as their managers............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 To be honest, THEVMAN did warn us. He said the 2/3 players would leave not the manager. That's prob still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 To be honest, THEVMAN did warn us. Just the start tbf. Players next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Don't need to be ITK to see that our board had an opportunity to sort this out weeks or even months ago. Instead all we had was this gash about being in no rush, He still has a year to run on his contract, all is good in our garden rubbish. If Cortese had still been at the helm, then this would not have happened. So what exactly would you like the club to have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 And you know that didn't happen? Doesnt look like it, does it? Could easily have called them out in public on it once it became clear MP was off there (which was probably a couple of weeks ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Genuinely think he'll be be a huge success there. If he gets the job I'm putting money of them being in the Top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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