Fowllyd Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 Are you suggesting that Tottenham change the manager alot? Over the past 10 years we have had 14 different managers, Spurs just 7? Place your bets....barry or Glasgow? My ,money is on barry Definitely Glasgow. He can almost construct a sentence - something that was well beyond Barry's capabilities. But the clincher is the question mark at the end of what otherwise reads as a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 If the picture is real, as some people said on the last thread. Then what is this black mass on Pochs' Shoulder? The 'glare' on the right also has a very strange smudge effect around Poch's youngest son's foot. The reflection of the guy in the shiny wall looks wrong. His hair looks shorter/smoother in the reflection; there is a sheen on his forehead yet that part of his head is in shadow. Has he got a ponytail in the reflection, or is that a reflection of MoPos sons head? If the latter it doesn't look right; if the former why can't we see it on the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 People on here who personally know the Lallana family think he is going. Will be very hard to keep Shaw. Schneiderlin touting himself for a CL club and talking about Saints in the past tense. Croatian Journalist saying he has been told Lovren to Liverpool will happen. Hopefully these won't all happen, but some will almost certainly IMO. This is all so negative! I think we might lose Shaw (but might not) and the others will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 But he was right… or maybe it's a case of takes one to know one? Stop getting personal Needle ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 ..... If he doesn't sign for spurs, its not because he didn't want to leave. Either they didn't want him, or he feels that the particular job isn't right at present. He's playing us, waiting for a better offer and if one doesn't come it'll be spun as Poch snubs Spurs. This won't be popular on here ,but if I was in ralphs shoes I know what I'd do. When he calls and says "Ducky, I've rejected levy and want to sign that contract", id say "**** off ,we'll talk about it next season when the one you've got runs out". We are starting to look like a desperado whose wife is having an affair, we're waiting at home desperately hoping she will come back to us , where all will be forgiven. We should **** him off and go on the pull, cause he'll be putting it about again soon enough. Big and perhaps only concern is retaining players and how any change impacts on that prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 Big and perhaps only concern is retaining players and how any change impacts on that prospect. You're assuming he'll walk out when told "because you've dicked us about, we're holding you to your existing deal" . If that's the case then it all depends who you get in.Players seemed to like Nigel, but got over it pretty quick. They would probably use it as an excuse to push to go, but if you got a decent replacement in quick they'll son forgot Poch. Some people are talking as if he's some sort of messiah to the players. Yes, they appear to like playing for him and he's improved some of them, but there are plenty of other managers in that boat. Our players appear to be pretty professional, they'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 If the picture is real, as some people said on the last thread. Then what is this black mass on Pochs' Shoulder? The 'glare' on the right also has a very strange smudge effect around Poch's youngest son's foot. Can anyone explain why he takes his youngest son to a secret, illicit meeting? Can't afford a babysitter? Or maybe he's his agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 At the risk of upsetting the anti "it is clear" brigade one thing is clear to me. He's not fannying around undecided whether to leave. Torn between loyalty to the club that gave him his break , and the ambition of joining a bigger club. If he doesn't sign for spurs, its not because he didn't want to leave. Either they didn't want him, or he feels that the particular job isn't right at present. He's playing us, waiting for a better offer and if one doesn't come it'll be spun as Poch snubs Spurs. This won't be popular on here ,but if I was in ralphs shoes I know what I'd do. When he calls and says "Ducky, I've rejected levy and want to sign that contract", id say "**** off ,we'll talk about it next season when the one you've got runs out". We are starting to look like a desperado whose wife is having an affair, we're waiting at home desperately hoping she will come back to us , where all will be forgiven. We should **** him off and go on the pull, cause he'll be putting it about again soon enough. Exactly why why fans should have NO say in running football clubs - emotion ruling decisions. The club like any 'company' will recognise the value of MP. Both in terms of his ability, and importantly the signals it sends to others if he is left to go. Companies won't treat good employees like that, as they recognise good employees are sort after and there will be offers from competitors. Without any emotion, the club will weigh up all the factors ; what they need to offer to match or better offers from else where, relative to what they believe him to be worth/ impact of his departure..... And quite within his rights, MP will have to decide whether he development and ability to do his job is better here or elsewhere... All that is normal in the 'real world' where fan emotion is not part of the decision making process. The question we should be asking is how much to the board really rate him or care? If he is too greedy then, yes he should leave as there will be a limit to what is affordable and sensible.... But, I don't think it's his personal remuneration that is an issue. More about what resources he has available in playing staff staff and funding to deliver what he believes is an appropriate level of success. The 'working environment' plays a big part, and I am hoping RK and KL both recognise what they have, it's sporting potential and the financial benefits of supporting this group, as that potential does no come arpund that often for a club of our size that can not simply go and buy it. Its not that fans are not realistic, or that they demand success all the time and expect KL to waste 100s of mils a year... Despite what some on here believe - the disappointment would come from not supporting MP when we have such obviously potential to do even better next season, and throwing away that rare opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Can anyone explain why he takes his youngest son to a secret, illicit meeting? Can't afford a babysitter? Or maybe he's his agent? I'm sure I read somewhere his son is signed to the saints academy. Maybe he is not happy there and this visit to the Spurs training ground was for his son to check out a potential new academy............. .................or maybe not:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackalec Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 The reflection of the guy in the shiny wall looks wrong. His hair looks shorter/smoother in the reflection; there is a sheen on his forehead yet that part of his head is in shadow. Has he got a ponytail in the reflection, or is that a reflection of MoPos sons head? If the latter it doesn't look right; if the former why can't we see it on the guy? Everything in this picture is real except MoPo. Someone else was stood there (probably a women with long hair) and he's been photoshopped in. The bloke with the key is looking at her shoulder as she walks through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Haha. Why? I don't want these players to go. But people who post saying they think all our players will stay are leaving in another world. Listen to Krueger, listen to Lallana, listen to Schneiderlin, listen to Poch refuse to commit himself. If the Mirror think he will stay if the players stay then great, and fans that think they all will - great too. Being realistic doesn't mean you are dark or a Pompey fan! Sorry, but where has anyone said they don't think any players will leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 What's the alternative? Stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that it's all a complete mistake? Happy clap me up. There is some middle ground, actually quite a lot of it, between realism and acknowledgement of what few facts there are, and treating every piece of negative speculation as 100% gospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 With the way that this is all dragging out, no party is looking particularly clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-case-for-poch-to-be-new-manager-thread.108916/page-119 Interesting spin. F*ck me there are some deluded c*nts on there - in a quarter of a century they've won the League Cup! If Pochettino goes there I'd give him until Christmas, in terms of a career move, less poison chalice and more poison gas! They don't do track-suit managers with potential at WHL, they do ego-massagers for frustrated itinerant players who feel they should be at genuinely big clubs. I hope this is sorted soon as it's making Saints look Mickey Mouse after an excellent season when we should reflecting on moving forward with a degree of confidence, not being used by a London obsessed media as an Aunt Sally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 F*ck me there are some deluded c*nts on there - in a quarter of a century they've won the League Cup! If Pochettino goes there I'd give him until Christmas, in terms of a career move, less poison chalice and more poison gas! They don't do track-suit managers with potential at WHL, they do ego-massagers for frustrated itinerant players who feel they should be at genuinely big clubs. I hope this is sorted soon as it's making Saints look Mickey Mouse after an excellent season when we should reflecting on moving forward with a degree of confidence, not being used by a London obsessed media as an Aunt Sally! Of course could be that POCH actually spoke the truth and dismissed all the guff as he has another year to go so loads of time before he needs to think about his next step.... ? Feck knows own what's going on. No one on here, and no one at Spurs forum... I am just hoping now that we can all fawn over the path of righteousness displayed by Turkish, in being so wonderfully confident in our new Board (as I his posts dot contain any hint of sarcasm, or **** take, no sireee) and don't need to criticise them for any incompetence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 You're assuming he'll walk out when told "because you've dicked us about, we're holding you to your existing deal" . If that's the case then it all depends who you get in.Players seemed to like Nigel, but got over it pretty quick. They would probably use it as an excuse to push to go, but if you got a decent replacement in quick they'll son forgot Poch. Some people are talking as if he's some sort of messiah to the players. Yes, they appear to like playing for him and he's improved some of them, but there are plenty of other managers in that boat. Our players appear to be pretty professional, they'll get over it. Really ? Sad thing is I think you're probably right, but with the summer window etc its a question whether players are prepared to see what the new bloke has to offer, especially with the vultures circling publicly via the media and privately through agents. Then you get to the question of what confidence in the current set up to make the right selection. Yes, I like KL and the sounds - until they dried up - from RK but at the moment the vibe appears a naïve one. (Prepared or hoping to accept they're doing the right things behind closed doors..but not holding my breath on that one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 There's no way that photo is real. Look how that yellow patch of glare to the right of Mo shapes round his body. He has just been stuck on by a moderately talented Photoshopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 (edited) http://www1.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk more press quotes stating Poch is inclined to stay (Mirror and People). Whilst Telegraph apparently says spurs to move next week if the new European Champion manager of Real Madrid decides to turn down the mighty spurs! Edited 25 May, 2014 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Are we still talking about that bloody picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 There's no way that photo is real. Look how that yellow patch of glare to the right of Mo shapes round his body. He has just been stuck on by a moderately talented Photoshopper. It's probably poch taking his kids swimming at David Lloyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 If that photo really was of Pochettino at Spurs training ground it would be in today's newspapers. It isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 1/3 on now, bookies think it more or less done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk more press quotes stating Poch is inclined to stay (Mirror and People). Whilst Telegraph apparently says spurs to move next week if the new European Champion manager of Real Madrid decides to turn down the mighty spurs! I'm sure he'll be delighted to be offered the job by the default of all their real choices turning them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 1/3 on now, bookies think it more or less done. They haven't got much of a clue. Blindly following betfair and betting it to massive margins to make sure they don't get stung. When it goes shorter than 1/5 on betfair then it's time to worry, until then take very little notice of the rest of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I'm sure he'll be delighted to be offered the job by the default of all their real choices turning them down. Expect the salary will more than make up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 The Ancellotti 'decision' is surely a smokescreen to give spurs some breathing space to go about their business in speaking with agents. Mo is rightly favourite for the spurs position. If he wants to go, let him there are plenty more of his ilk out there. I'd be delighted if he stays as I think he has a bright future, is a good fit for us and like him as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 1/3 on now, bookies think it more or less done. That's great. These odds continual odds updates from you are really helpful. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I don't mean to dis Saints. It's a good club which, with the help of Swiss billionaires, is getting better. But the reality is that they aren't as big a club as Tottenham. Not even close. No point in denying the perfectly obvious. I'm quite happy to concede that Spurs aren't as big a club as Man Utd, after all. It would be ridiculous if I didn't. I'm even happy to concede that we're not as big a club as Arsenal. There are some deluded ****wits about, how exactly have spurs made it so massive ? I agree they are bigger then us with more history but are far from massive, and far from as big as this tit believes. What have they done in the scheme of things ? In fact it wasnt long ago we were on the same level as them. Before our implosion. They have done well out of Levy and his wallet, but have never convinced me they'll ever effectively get anywhere mainly due to the attitude that they are better then they actually are. The only manager they recently gave time to had them finishing their best finish ever in the PL (HR) if they continue the manager merrygoround they'll go backwards. Almost as bad as West Ham and Liverpool fans..... Almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 There are some deluded ****wits about, how exactly have spurs made it so massive ? I agree they are bigger then us with more history but are far from massive, and far from as big as this tit believes. What have they done in the scheme of things ? In fact it wasnt long ago we were on the same level as them. Before our implosion. They have done well out of Levy and his wallet, but have never convinced me they'll ever effectively get anywhere mainly due to the attitude that they are better then they actually are. The only manager they recently gave time to had them finishing their best finish ever in the PL (HR) if they continue the manager merrygoround they'll go backwards. Almost as bad as West Ham and Liverpool fans..... Almost You'll find one or two reasons here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26847888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 (edited) There are some deluded ****wits about, how exactly have spurs made it so massive ? I agree they are bigger then us with more history but are far from massive, and far from as big as this tit believes. What have they done in the scheme of things ? In fact it wasnt long ago we were on the same level as them. Before our implosion. They have done well out of Levy and his wallet, but have never convinced me they'll ever effectively get anywhere mainly due to the attitude that they are better then they actually are. The only manager they recently gave time to had them finishing their best finish ever in the PL (HR) if they continue the manager merrygoround they'll go backwards. Almost as bad as West Ham and Liverpool fans..... Almost Brand new 60k stadium on it's way and over 40k on the ST waiting list. Just a bit bigger than us then. Edited 25 May, 2014 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 If that photo really was of Pochettino at Spurs training ground it would be in today's newspapers. It isn't. The newspapers would need to know the source first and getting to that might take a little time. I might've wrong but I did read that the original poster may have removed it, so perhaps doesn't want to be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 There's no way that photo is real. Look how that yellow patch of glare to the right of Mo shapes round his body. He has just been stuck on by a moderately talented Photoshopper. Ready Brek for breakast - simples!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Brand new 60k stadium on it's way and over 40k on the ST waiting list. Just a bit bigger than us then. They nibbled anyway. Ive not said they arent bigger by the way, they are, but they still have done reletively **** all. Newcastle have a massive fanbase but achieved little. For me a club is made not only by its resources but by success on the pitch. Im not a fan of Spurs fans as like WHU they keep wanging on about being a big club but with little to back it up. Realistically though they should be able to do well, unfortunately the same man who is providing their funds is also causing instability and in the scheme of things thats the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Someone on twitter claiming it was them who photoshopped the Pochettino picture.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Someone on twitter claiming it was them who photoshopped the Pochettino picture.. Except it's not photoshopped. If it was, which it isn't, you'd at least photoshop in a Spurs logo or something recognisable as being their training ground etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 They nibbled anyway. Ive not said they arent bigger by the way, they are, but they still have done reletively **** all. Newcastle have a massive fanbase but achieved little. For me a club is made not only by its resources but by success on the pitch. Im not a fan of Spurs fans as like WHU they keep wanging on about being a big club but with little to back it up. Realistically though they should be able to do well, unfortunately the same man who is providing their funds is also causing instability and in the scheme of things thats the problem. Agree - and even if they manage to fill a 60K stadium which I doubt, its not going to give them the resources required to compete at the level their delusions of grandeur justify. Football isn't played in the past either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Except it's not photoshopped. If it was, which it isn't, you'd at least photoshop in a Spurs logo or something recognisable as being their training ground etc. If it wasn't photoshopped you wouldn't expect there to be big black failed attempt at lasso crop and fill selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 If it wasn't photoshopped you wouldn't expect there to be big black failed attempt at lasso crop and fill selection. It's not photoshopped you absolute dinlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 It's not photoshopped you absolute dinlo I believe they do walk in appointments here: http://www.specsavers.co.uk, I suggest you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I believe they do walk in appointments here: http://www.specsavers.co.uk, I suggest you go. In the nicest way possible, you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 He's staying, no he's going. It's photoshopped, it's not photoshopped. Well I'm confused, that's for certain. So much arrogance on here with people stating opinion as fact. I just wish we knew the outcome of all this one way or the other. Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 It's not photoshopped you absolute dinlo In the nicest way possible, you're an idiot. You seem uptight, take a break for a week fella. Maybe we will have some news for you when you are back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Guy doesn't learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 (edited) Patron's harmless. Those two posts were utterly innocuous. He can be an annoying and grating knob but the tone or intent is never vindictive or meanspirited unlike some. Am all for culls -rights come with responsibilities and all that; but this was a poor decision IMO. Edited 25 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Patron's harmless. Those two posts were utterly innocuous. He can be an annoying and grating knob but the tone or intent is never vindictive or meanspirited unlike some. Am all for culls -rights come with responsibilities and all that; but this was a poor decision IMO.[/] Your obviously entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong especially on this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Not looking good. There is a spurs itk (genuine one 100% record apparently) who has pretty much said on spurs community that this deal is done. The poster is Jjetset, it's in the spurs daily transfers thread. Although in our favour he hasn't expressly said he will be spurs manager, but was asked how he would feel if MP became spurs manager and he said the meeting definitely took place and after he hinted that he could be a great manager for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I really hope that Pochettino stays. BUT if the board know he is going then we need fast action. The ideal would be to announce a new manager at the same time as we say that Pochettino has left. Certainly we would need a new manager before Eng finish the world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 If the rumours are true I'd really rather he resigned and let us get on with things before going to talk to Spurs. It's wasting Saints time in planning for next season. Exactly, especially when there are decent managers currently available. Tuchel would seem to be a manager very much in our mould, although would be an incredible signing and probably out of our league. However I don't quite see why Spurs still want MP. I understand they have a decent crop of youngsters, but if they wanted a manager to integrate the youth into their set up, wouldn't the logical thing to keep Sherwood on seeing as he was familiar with their youth set up and still delivering results? Most of the names they have been linked with (Van Gal, Rafa, heck even Ancelotti recently) are all known for their short termism and MP really breaks that mould so it isn't really clear what will be expected of the new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Players and managers discuss transfers with other clubs. Even club legend MLT entered discussions with other clubs as have some of our current players prior to this window. I would be very disappointed if he had done it without the consent of the club. Even if he has, it doesn't mean he will be offered the role or indeed accept it. Most fans on here are upset that he is flirting with them. He may be playing Spurs to get a better deal, he may be hanging out for assurances about his role and squad, really nobody knows. Would be good to know either way and quickly, although the longer it drags on the less likely he is to go to Spurs IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Exactly, especially when there are decent managers currently available. Tuchel would seem to be a manager very much in our mould, although would be an incredible signing and probably out of our league. However I don't quite see why Spurs still want MP. I understand they have a decent crop of youngsters, but if they wanted a manager to integrate the youth into their set up, wouldn't the logical thing to keep Sherwood on seeing as he was familiar with their youth set up and still delivering results? Most of the names they have been linked with (Van Gal, Rafa, heck even Ancelotti recently) are all known for their short termism and MP really breaks that mould so it isn't really clear what will be expected of the new manager. Because they are bigger morons than I thought if they believe they had a chance of getting Van Gal, Ancelotti and to some extent Benitez. There was even mention of Simeone I disagree - they've actually taken a few risks on younger and/or less glitzy managers -AVB, Ramos etc- but none of them had really proved it in England. Same goes for FDB and the flat track bully exploits in the Dutch mickey mouse league. MP has shown that his philosophy and style more than translate to the Prem and that must be tempting for a club with better players and a deeper squad -alot of which was assembled to play a high press game (i.e.AVB's philosophy). My only doubt is that MP is a disciplinarian and demands unquestioning buy-in from players -he probably has more credibility than AVB to pull it off but it could still grate with some of their older prima donnas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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