Bewildered Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 EDIT: Disregard, already answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11205959.Saints_boss_Poch_offered_new_deal/?ref=mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Apparently on the table for few weeks now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 With Shaw and Lallana looking likely to be gone now, have to think that at the very least they have to assure MP that the money received will be invested into transfers to stand any chance of convincing him to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Apparently on the table for few weeks now Yes indeed. Pochettino wants to take us Further, ie into the Top Six and/or Qualify for the Champions League Few could doubt that this would have been the ultimate "Project" of Markus Leibherr To that ens, I am sure Markus would have formulated the "expansion" of St Marys, to get ever bigger crowds that invariably come with continued success. IMHO, regrettably, the Dreams and plans of her father are NOT shared by Katharina, even the most passionate Saints fan can see that surely ?? Krueger has spelt it out if you read his words. Regretably, I think that Pochettino has been told that he will not get the further financial backing necessary to Drive us on Result ??? Deck Of Cards effect. Pochettino will leave for a more ambitious Club, and our Star players will follow suit. NOT what Markus would have wanted, I am convinced of that. He wanted us to become one of the Big Boys, and HE was prepared to do it IMHO, It is because Katharina does not have or share her fathers Ambition that caused Cortese to "walk" He was not prepared to work within what will soon become clear as the watered down Katharina/Krueger non-vision ...... neither am I (Cue C.B.Fry's usual vitriol, with no point of his own ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Yes indeed. Pochettino wants to take us Further, ie into the Top Six and/or Qualify for the Champions League Few could doubt that this would have been the ultimate "Project" of Markus Leibherr To that ens, I am sure Markus would have formulated the "expansion" of St Marys, to get ever bigger crowds that invariably come with continued success. IMHO, regrettably, the Dreams and plans of her father are NOT shared by Katharina, even the most passionate Saints fan can see that surely ?? Krueger has spelt it out if you read his words. Regretably, I think that Pochettino has been told that he will not get the further financial backing necessary to Drive us on Result ??? Deck Of Cards effect. Pochettino will leave for a more ambitious Club, and our Star players will follow suit. NOT what Markus would have wanted, I am convinced of that. He wanted us to become one of the Big Boys, and HE was prepared to do it IMHO, It is because Katharina does not have or share her fathers Ambition that caused Cortese to "walk" He was not prepared to work within what will soon become clear as the watered down Katharina/Krueger non-vision ...... neither am I (Cue C.B.Fry's usual vitriol, with no point of his own ) Cool. Does this mean you are going to stop being a Saints fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 It's all irrelevant now, MP won't sign knowing Shaw and Lallana have gone. Sadly the new 'project' will probably be to sustain our midtable status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Cool. Does this mean you are going to stop being a Saints fan? I've been a Saints Fan since 1954. Been through all the ups, and all the downs. What is happening now has happened before. Just as we are on the verge of something really Great, the plans are dashed. WHY is it that by criticising SFC, you cannot be a Supporter of the Team ? I will always be a Saints Fan, and support the Team, but that does not mean I have to agree with everything the SFC Board decrees Seems a lot on here think that you have to blindly accept what is said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 It's all irrelevant now, MP won't sign knowing Shaw and Lallana have gone. Sadly the new 'project' will probably be to sustain our midtable status Yep. Back to the mid 90s we go. Only then we had MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I've been a Saints Fan since 1954. Been through all the ups, and all the downs. What is happening now has happened before. Just as we are on the verge of something really Great, the plans are dashed. WHY is it that by criticising SFC, you cannot be a Supporter of the Team ? I will always be a Saints Fan, and support the Team, but that does not mean I have to agree with everything the SFC Board decrees Seems a lot on here think that you have to blindly accept what is said It's not your criticism of SFC that's being questioned, but your statement "....Neither am I" in post 866. No idea what that means as the words of a long term supporter. Either it's a childish hissy fit or it literally means you're going to stop supporting the club. Which did you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 if an offer has been tabled, then we should know very shortly (in the next day or so) whether he is staying or not. When we look for a new job, you would know well in advance of an offer coming in whether you would accept it... so long as X,Y,Z are met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 It's not your criticism of SFC that's being questioned, but your statement "....Neither am I" in post 866. No idea what that means as the words of a long term supporter. Either it's a childish hissy fit or it literally means you're going to stop supporting the club. Which did you mean? Glad someone understood:toppa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Prob in a minority, but I would take solid mid table in a heart beat if we play attractive football. Throw in a good cup run and even happier! Want a club to survive, just look at Leeds, Pompey, Villa etc. Top 6 involves spending way more than we are able and if you at Spurs throwing £100m at it, no guarantee of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 It's all irrelevant now, MP won't sign knowing Shaw and Lallana have gone. Sadly the new 'project' will probably be to sustain our midtable status Jeez, its drama overdrive in here recently. Has anyone given even a passing thought to the idea that if they are sold its because Pochettino wants them to be sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Prob in a minority, but I would take solid mid table in a heart beat if we play attractive football. Throw in a good cup run and even happier! Want a club to survive, just look at Leeds, Pompey, Villa etc. Top 6 involves spending way more than we are able and if you at Spurs throwing £100m at it, no guarantee of success. Fair enough, but surely that just undermines the five year plan and everything we have achieved in getting back to where we are? We may never know, but I'm sure Cortese would have had an ambitious plan drawn up. Like him or loathe him, I'm sure Champions League football was the next part of the plan.Even if we don't break into the top 6, I'd like to see a bit of intent but sadly it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 if an offer has been tabled, then we should know very shortly (in the next day or so) whether he is staying or not. When we look for a new job, you would know well in advance of an offer coming in whether you would accept it... so long as X,Y,Z are met. I would expect that we will only hear immediately if he's to depart, if it is to be an extension I would imagine there would be quite a bit of negotiation of the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Prob in a minority, but I would take solid mid table in a heart beat if we play attractive football. Throw in a good cup run and even happier! Want a club to survive, just look at Leeds, Pompey, Villa etc. Top 6 involves spending way more than we are able and if you at Spurs throwing £100m at it, no guarantee of success. Thorpie As a long standing fan I am with you on this No disrespect to younger fans but the level of expectation has risen in recent years and can see why there would be dissatisfaction amongst more recent supporters if we fail to break through the glass ceiling I am happy to see entertaining football, win more than we lose and remain solvent at a time when football finances are very fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Thorpie As a long standing fan I am with you on this No disrespect to younger fans but the level of expectation has risen in recent years and can see why there would be dissatisfaction amongst more recent supporters if we fail to break through the glass ceiling I am happy to see entertaining football, win more than we lose and remain solvent at a time when football finances are very fragile Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2014 What is Bruce Arena up to these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Thorpie As a long standing fan I am with you on this No disrespect to younger fans but the level of expectation has risen in recent years and can see why there would be dissatisfaction amongst more recent supporters if we fail to break through the glass ceiling I am happy to see entertaining football, win more than we lose and remain solvent at a time when football finances are very fragile Do you really forsee a time when this "Football Finance Fragility" will abate or disappear ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Thorpie As a long standing fan I am with you on this No disrespect to younger fans but the level of expectation has risen in recent years and can see why there would be dissatisfaction amongst more recent supporters if we fail to break through the glass ceiling I am happy to see entertaining football, win more than we lose and remain solvent at a time when football finances are very fragile well said! Still have very fond memories of Chris Nicholl kamikaze days lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Thorpie As a long standing fan I am with you on this No disrespect to younger fans but the level of expectation has risen in recent years and can see why there would be dissatisfaction amongst more recent supporters if we fail to break through the glass ceiling I am happy to see entertaining football, win more than we lose and remain solvent at a time when football finances are very fragile Unfortunately the reality is we have as much chance of breaking through the glass ceiling as a fly has of breaking through my windscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 If he does go, then it's time for Gaston to step up to the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 If he does go, then it's time for Gaston to step up to the plate. Well, someone had to say it at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Jeez, its drama overdrive in here recently. Has anyone given even a passing thought to the idea that if they are sold its because Pochettino wants them to be sold? Les said this would be the case. MP would have the final say (with Les of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 This is 4th hand.....but here goes (I can't guarantee this is true- so make your own minds up) Pochettino signed a new contract over the weekend. Will be announced mid week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 If he does go, then it's time for Gaston to step up to the plate. By he I mean Lallana obviously - not expecting Ramirez to replace Poch as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rees Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 This is 4th hand.....but here goes (I can't guarantee this is true- so make your own minds up) Pochettino signed a new contract over the weekend. Will be announced mid week. Source(s)? Brilliant if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Well, someone had to say it at some point Still don't think we should be writing him off. Ignore the price tag for a mo - he had an average first season and this season has been difficult with injuries and Lallana's form. Lallana struggled last season but with a a full pre season with Pochettino he's become a top PL player. Gaston is much younger and is reaching the age where he will have a bit of experience to temper his raw talent. Anyway that's all off topic - I think Poch will stay. I can't see how the spurs job is a step up at the mo, particularly for a manager who's speciality is with blooding youngsters. Stay a bit longer and he'll have the chance to move on to a big big side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Source(s)? Brilliant if true I'm not going to name names, as it is not my story to tell and it is as I said, 4th hand. People tend to get slated when they post something like this especially if it is wrong, so I am perhaps hanging myself out to dry, but I wouldn't have posted it, if I didn't believe it. The other side of the coin, is that if you had some bad news to announce, it might be better if it was tempered with some good / great news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 This is 4th hand.....but here goes (I can't guarantee this is true- so make your own minds up) Pochettino signed a new contract over the weekend. Will be announced mid week. I heard something very similar a couple of days ago. Pity they couldn't have announced it before kick off yesterday if its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I heard something very similar a couple of days ago. Pity they couldn't have announced it before kick off yesterday if its true. Perhaps it's lined up for after the WC squad is announced so the players have the limelight for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 This is 4th hand.....but here goes (I can't guarantee this is true- so make your own minds up) Pochettino signed a new contract over the weekend. Will be announced mid week. Ties in with what I was told. I expect Shaw to stay as well. Unfortunately I reckon Lallana will go to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Ties in with what I was told. I expect Shaw to stay as well. Unfortunately I reckon Lallana will go to Liverpool. If that happens then I think it is the best of a bad situation and I would accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 If that happens then I think it is the best of a bad situation and I would accept it. Same, I'd have no problem with Lallana going as long as everyone else stayed. Losing Shaw would be too much of an ego blow though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Personally I think Shaw is easier to replace, but also think it´s more likely for Lallana to go. Overall the situation would be better the other way around, Shaw bringing more money and from a position where it´s cheaper to find decent/good alternatives, and of course no Bournemouth clause cause that one really hurts now... But all really comes down to what is done with the money that comes in. If it goes straight into the squad it´s fine, if not....well you all understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 If that happens then I think it is the best of a bad situation and I would accept it. Would bite your hand off for that scenario - let's face it, time isn't quite on Lallana's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 If that happens then I think it is the best of a bad situation and I would accept it. Like many I would prefer to lose Shaw of the two. But if Adam goes I will wish him well. Hopefully we can keep the others as well. Morgan's potential inclusion in the provisional French WC squad will be important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Personally I think Shaw is easier to replace, but also think it´s more likely for Lallana to go. Overall the situation would be better the other way around, Shaw bringing more money and from a position where it´s cheaper to find decent/good alternatives, and of course no Bournemouth clause cause that one really hurts now... But all really comes down to what is done with the money that comes in. If it goes straight into the squad it´s fine, if not....well you all understand. Not so sure - read all this rubbish about LBs being less important but they're arguably one of the most important positions in the modern game as teams rely less and less on wingers. When teams come and park the bus, a good attacking fullback is the one position that enjoys a bit of space and can be the difference in unlocking a defence. In our specific case, the lack of pace in the team, made worse by Jrods injury, puts even more responsibility on the shoulders of Clyne and Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 IF there is any truth in this new info about Pottechino staying then I agree he must of sanctioned Lallana moving on. Sometime during this season Lallana is going to be a the height of his resale value and if his heart wants away then there's no real benefit in not taking as much cash as we. An get out of him. Equally, for Pottechino to have signed an extension (allegedly) then I guess he would of had assurances that he could expect the revenue to be re injected into the playing staff. All wishful thinking and guesswork but personally I would be one relieved mofo if, after all the hyperbole about complete meltdown we ended up keeping Shaw and Pottechino and reinvesting Lallanas sale into a new striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I'm sat here wondering what impact the whole Espanyol situation has had on his thinking? Forced to sell players & then sacked. The difference maybe that he gets chance to spend the proceeds?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 IF there is any truth in this new info about Pottechino staying then I agree he must of sanctioned Lallana moving on. Sometime during this season Lallana is going to be a the height of his resale value and if his heart wants away then there's no real benefit in not taking as much cash as we. An get out of him. Equally, for Pottechino to have signed an extension (allegedly) then I guess he would of had assurances that he could expect the revenue to be re injected into the playing staff. All wishful thinking and guesswork but personally I would be one relieved mofo if, after all the hyperbole about complete meltdown we ended up keeping Shaw and Pottechino and reinvesting Lallanas sale into a new striker. I'd take the above in a heartbeat even if i'd be sad to see adam go. Losing Luke so young would send out a very bad signal for all future good academy prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Making the most of a bad situation - Sell Shaw and Ozzie for circa 40 million and reinvest the whole amount into the squad, we lose only one first team player but quite conceiveably bring three in with 40m. Hopefully this will persuade Poch and Adam to stay. If Lallana goes then it's about 35m with Ozzie going, again re-invest the funds and give the captaincy to Lovren, he has to stay, more important than Shaw in my opinion, if not Lovren then Morgan, either way try and keep them sweet. I'm sure if we looked at it we could try and make positives from what's happening.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Making the most of a bad situation - Sell Shaw and Ozzie for circa 40 million and reinvest the whole amount into the squad, we lose only one first team player but quite conceiveably bring three in with 40m. Hopefully this will persuade Poch and Adam to stay. If Lallana goes then it's about 35m with Ozzie going, again re-invest the funds and give the captaincy to Lovren, he has to stay, more important than Shaw in my opinion, if not Lovren then Morgan, either way try and keep them sweet. I'm sure if we looked at it we could try and make positives from what's happening.... The problem is that people are assuming we'll be reinvesting every penny, when everything has pointed towards any $$$ we get...covering debts. They didn't make the comments about specific figures, and inheriting a difficult financial situation for the sake of it. They did it to prime us for sales and lower future investment in the first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 The problem is that people are assuming we'll be reinvesting every penny, when everything has pointed towards any $$$ we get...covering debts. They didn't make the comments about specific figures, and inheriting a difficult financial situation for the sake of it. They did it to prime us for sales and lower future investment in the first team squad. Not sure Everton reinvested every last penny of the Fellaini money, Sure some of that went to clear debts. Doubt we could even attract a 35 million pound player but key has to be at most lose just one, reinvest a decent portion and ensure the floodgates don't open with multiple players demanding out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Not so sure - read all this rubbish about LBs being less important but they're arguably one of the most important positions in the modern game as teams rely less and less on wingers. When teams come and park the bus, a good attacking fullback is the one position that enjoys a bit of space and can be the difference in unlocking a defence. In our specific case, the lack of pace in the team, made worse by Jrods injury, puts even more responsibility on the shoulders of Clyne and Shaw. I both agree and disagree. Fullbacks are very important in the game today, I just think that you can get a very good young fullback in for £7-8m while a AM in Lallanas class would cost up close to £20m. And for us, yes fullbacks are important too but I think our problem is that we dont have enough players in the box when Shaw and Clyne comes forward and make their crosses, if we had that I´m sure Luke could have at least 5 assists in a season, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Even if we reinvest 75% of sales into the first team it should be enough to cover some outstanding debts and leave a sizable kitty for player investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Not sure Everton reinvested every last penny of the Fellaini money, Sure some of that went to clear debts. Doubt we could even attract a 35 million pound player but key has to be at most lose just one, reinvest a decent portion and ensure the floodgates don't open with multiple players demanding out the door. They spent a fair whack to be honest. McCarthy was about £15m, Lukaku's loan fee wouldn't have been cheap. McGeady came in for about £6-7m. The wages on Barry wouldn't have been cheap, as well as the loan fee - and obviously they reinvested into a new contract for Baines. So I think they probably did reinvest a big chunk of that Fellani money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 The problem is that people are assuming we'll be reinvesting every penny, when everything has pointed towards any $$$ we get...covering debts. They didn't make the comments about specific figures, and inheriting a difficult financial situation for the sake of it. They did it to prime us for sales and lower future investment in the first team squad. How is that a bad thing would you like us to be a club with debts. How times have chanaged a few years backmost of us would have all been happy with a debt free club, a great academey and retaining PL status now it seem that is not good enough. Also not having any debts will surely stand us in a better postion in future seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Sky Money + other incomes should cover that debt even if we dont spend another pence and use the money coming in for transfers for the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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