9-3 Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 Think the financial situation was in such a mess when Kat took over, but why did she take so long. Was there a clause in someway with Markus and Nicola that he would have total control in such circumstances? Think there is much we will never know. MLT has always said off record that there is stuff with Nicola we don't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 Think the financial situation was in such a mess when Kat took over, but why did she take so long. Was there a clause in someway with Markus and Nicola that he would have total control in such circumstances? Think there is much we will never know. MLT has always said off record that there is stuff with Nicola we don't know about. Would take anything MLT says about this with a pinch of salt, has a clear agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 (edited) In what circumstances? Edited 6 April, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 Would take anything MLT says about this with a pinch of salt, has a clear agenda. Not at all. Cortèse was an arse to him but think Matty is cleverer than that mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 Somewhere between falsehoods and hypocrisy lies the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 Not at all. Cortèse was an arse to him but think Matty is cleverer than that mate. TBF there was an agenda there, either way, cortese has got us this far and thankfully Kat has taken over before overindulgence caused us too much damage. Onwards n upwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 TBF there was an agenda there, either way, cortese has got us this far and thankfully Kat has taken over before overindulgence caused us too much damage. Onwards n upwards Yeah this basically. I'm just glad the person with the money is in charge of the decisions now, for better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajv2809 Posted 6 April, 2014 Share Posted 6 April, 2014 Cortese did a great job getting us to where we are now, even if he did make his share of mistakes, but he's gone now and we should move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Cortese did a great job getting us to where we are now, even if he did make his share of mistakes, but he's gone now and we should move on. This, This, This!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Would take anything MLT says about this with a pinch of salt, has a clear agenda. If you have a contrary view to the establishment you have an agenda according to many on here. He did not like Cortese, he thought him a bully (which he was), he spoke out (others remained silent because they were too afraid). He had no agenda other than tell it how he saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Are we really in that much of an awful financial situation ? I think it's pretty standard to pay for transfer fees over a few seasons, and the training ground was clearly going to be paid, not out of profit made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Disagree with OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 If you have a contrary view to the establishment you have an agenda according to many on here. He did not like Cortese, he thought him a bully (which he was), he spoke out (others remained silent because they were too afraid). He had no agenda other than tell it how he saw it. Agenda ridden post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 The mention of financial problems is just a clever ruse to have the idiot journos believing that we will have to sell all our best players. It is gaining us massive media exposure, raising our profile in leaps and bounds. As it appears now, we have several players coveted by the top glory clubs and because of the simple laws of supply and demand, their value has rocketed. Clubs like the once glorious Manchester United wanting half our team reflects very well on us as it is implicit that half our team is better than theirs, and when we turn around and tell them that we don't need their money, we raise our profile still further. It is a brilliant strategy and credit to the new board for coming up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Are we really in that much of an awful financial situation ? I think it's pretty standard to pay for transfer fees over a few seasons, and the training ground was clearly going to be paid, not out of profit made. Who says we are in an awful financial situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 If you have a contrary view to the establishment you have an agenda according to many on here. He did not like Cortese, he thought him a bully (which he was), he spoke out (others remained silent because they were too afraid). He had no agenda other than tell it how he saw it. Afraid ffs This isn't Gangs of New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Afraid ffs This isn't Gangs of New York. Afraid for their jobs. You cant' seriously be that thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Are we really in that much of an awful financial situation ? I think it's pretty standard to pay for transfer fees over a few seasons, and the training ground was clearly going to be paid, not out of profit made. YES it is. They are outstanding debts, but not liabilities in the sense that we don't have the money to pay them. Perhaps a few more journos ought to learn how to read a balance sheet, instead of which they go for the scandalous headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 YES it is. They are outstanding debts, but not liabilities in the sense that we don't have the money to pay them. Perhaps a few more journos ought to learn how to read a balance sheet, instead of which they go for the scandalous headlines. It is clearly stated in the accounts summary that only 22 of the outstanding 27 million are payable in the 2014/15 season and that this season we've paid off the 22 million we owed for this season. No problems there for me, the rampant cost of the training facilities does irk me somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 The mention of financial problems is just a clever ruse to have the idiot journos believing that we will have to sell all our best players. It is gaining us massive media exposure, raising our profile in leaps and bounds. As it appears now, we have several players coveted by the top glory clubs and because of the simple laws of supply and demand, their value has rocketed. Clubs like the once glorious Manchester United wanting half our team reflects very well on us as it is implicit that half our team is better than theirs, and when we turn around and tell them that we don't need their money, we raise our profile still further. It is a brilliant strategy and credit to the new board for coming up with it. hope you are right my concern is Ralph's statement, "we need to meet our potential" so selling could be on agenda to maximise commercial opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 If you have a contrary view to the establishment you have an agenda according to many on here. He did not like Cortese, he thought him a bully (which he was), he spoke out (others remained silent because they were too afraid). He had no agenda other than tell it how he saw it. He didn't speak out though did he? He said "Nicola is a nasty man" and then refused to give any details at all to back that up. That's not being brave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Personally it still makes me shake my head in disbelief that so many so called fans insulted and shouted down the greatest player in this clubs history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Afraid for their jobs. You cant' seriously be that thick? What about the people who did leave the club, either being sacked or by their own volition? Why were no stories ever leaked - instead of stating them outright - to the press about incidents of "bullying"? Why, in a company with hundreds of employees, did not a single one of them speak out whilst someone who by his own admission had been frozen out of the club made these claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 plenty of stories was leak bro! 1) Toilet-gate - where cortese had his own private bathroom constructed with miniature porcelain throne b) Spoon-gate - where cortese cancelled training + had the first team squad scouring st.mary's for his missing (stolen?) lucky tea spoon IV) Fart-gate - where cortese killed a man for dropping guts in NC's private office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 plenty of stories was leak bro! 1) Toilet-gate - where cortese had his own private bathroom constructed with miniature porcelain throne b) Spoon-gate - where cortese cancelled training + had the first team squad scouring st.mary's for his missing (stolen?) lucky tea spoon IV) Fart-gate - where cortese killed a man for dropping guts in NC's private office Thanks Bearsy!! Best laugh of the day for me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 hope you are right my concern is Ralph's statement, "we need to meet our potential" so selling could be on agenda to maximise commercial opportunities Not according to the other director ( whose name escapes me ) who clearly stated that no player Poch wants to keep will be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Not according to the other director ( whose name escapes me ) who clearly stated that no player Poch wants to keep will be sold. You just can't tell from any statements that the club might or have made. Some players may want to leave, then it becomes very difficult to hold onto them. We'll just have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Afraid ffs This isn't Gangs of New York. Sorry S Clarke - Always enjoy your posts, but Afraid, is exactly the right word.... Unless you get sacked and your Dads a top lawyer, who doesn't depend on or need a "Payoff" then "afraid" might be on the other foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 plenty of stories was leak bro! 1) Toilet-gate - where cortese had his own private bathroom constructed with miniature porcelain throne b) Spoon-gate - where cortese cancelled training + had the first team squad scouring st.mary's for his missing (stolen?) lucky tea spoon IV) Fart-gate - where cortese killed a man for dropping guts in NC's private office Don't forget "Marsbar Gate" :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Not at all. Cortèse was an arse to him but think Matty is cleverer than that mate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rteww8eyplQ Yes he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Don't forget "Marsbar Gate" :) :) hmm i have been thinking v.hard but i think mars-gate must have passed me by yo! Can you provide details on this pls? If it is marianne faithful type situation, prob best send by pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 hmm i have been thinking v.hard but i think mars-gate must have passed me by yo! Can you provide details on this pls? If it is marianne faithful type situation, prob best send by pm That old chesnut isn't true you know, got it from the horse's mouth in the Kings Head and Eight Bells in Cheyne Walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 ugh horse's mouth was it? That's kind of worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Think the financial situation was in such a mess when Kat took over, but why did she take so long. There is no financial mess. The financials for 2012/13 show the Club to be in a healthy position financially with only a very small (approx 1m) net debt. Given that the financials are for the year end when we were promoted this is really a very good position. Plans are in place to pay off transfer fees over a number of years, consistent with how the industry operates, and we already have indication that we have paid what we were due to pay. The only small down side is that we did not maximise our commercial income, and that surprisingly that income is quite low, but with lots of room for improvement. The overspend on the training ground is a slight concern, but in the end the numbers are relatively small fry (15m overspend). In the event of some crisis, we have players valued at something around a £100m, which more than covers any long terms planned payments. The huge increase in broadcasting rights for this season shows that Cortese was investing in the future, and has not done anything particularly rash. In any case the Easte of Markus Liebherr would have been in the know of what was going on. So, no financial mess. Also you asked "why did it take so long" - you seem to forget that after ML passed away his estate was in probate for a long time before Katharina became the legal owner. I don't know exactly when she finally inherited but it would have been a considerable time after ML's passing, due to Swiss inheritance laws. Sadly this post seems to indicate that the sensationalist, innacurate and ignorant press coverage lead by the BBC has been swallowed hook, line and sinker by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 He didn't speak out though did he? He said "Nicola is a nasty man" and then refused to give any details at all to back that up. That's not being brave. He gave plenty of details in his Q and A evening with me at Waterstones and let the Echo go on the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 He gave plenty of details in his Q and A evening with me at Waterstones and let the Echo go on the record. So, what exactly was printed ? As living out of the area, this did not reach me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 What about the people who did leave the club, either being sacked or by their own volition? Why were no stories ever leaked - instead of stating them outright - to the press about incidents of "bullying"? Why, in a company with hundreds of employees, did not a single one of them speak out whilst someone who by his own admission had been frozen out of the club made these claims? Saint_Clark I usually respect your posts but on this subject you are way off the mark. The answer is because he made them sign confidentiality clauses etc. Ask yourself why would MLT make all this up? The staff were absolutely terrified of him, I witnessed it with my own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Saint_Clark I usually respect your posts but on this subject you are way off the mark. The answer is because he made them sign confidentiality clauses etc. Ask yourself why would MLT make all this up? The staff were absolutely terrified of him, I witnessed it with my own eyes. You see, I know someone who works at the club and thought he was great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Personally it still makes me shake my head in disbelief that so many so called fans insulted and shouted down the greatest player in this clubs history. Oh stop being such a wet tart - surprized you managed to extract yourself from between Turk's buttcheeks long enough to post these days, but sadly your contributions have not improved... Noone was 'insulting' Matty boy, just asking the fricking question as to what his beef was... no good giving it the old 'nasty nic' nod and a wink and refusing to tell all... because what is there to be affraid of? If its true he cant be sued... so just how 'brave' was he? or was his beef just personal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 plenty of stories was leak bro! 1) Toilet-gate - where cortese had his own private bathroom constructed with miniature porcelain throne b) Spoon-gate - where cortese cancelled training + had the first team squad scouring st.mary's for his missing (stolen?) lucky tea spoon IV) Fart-gate - where cortese killed a man for dropping guts in NC's private office Fart-gate- wasn't it Hypo's sister who farted and got fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 I thought we were going to get all the nasty stories when he left? Where are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 I thought we were going to get all the nasty stories when he left? Where are they? Everyone is too afraid, Cortese can sue anyone at any time and has most of the city of Southampton under an NDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Saint_Clark I usually respect your posts but on this subject you are way off the mark. The answer is because he made them sign confidentiality clauses etc. Ask yourself why would MLT make all this up? The staff were absolutely terrified of him, I witnessed it with my own eyes. FF, seriously, as someone who has worked within the Union envronment for so many years, surely this is ******... I would suggest that legally, any CDA counts for feck all if its being used to 'cover up' serious allegations that breach employment law... bullying, constructive dismissals etc. I once signed a compromise agreement which stated my pay off was final and I do not tell anyone why i left.... my lawyer said it would never stand up, I could say what I liked provided it was the truth - anfd I did - you cant buy 'silence' - this is football, not some mafia Omerta.... Folks dont say anything when they leave, not because they are frightened of the place they are leaving, but because they dont want to prejudice their chances of getting a job within the industry at another club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 We were all too afraid to fart. I had to move to London so I could trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Everyone is too afraid, Cortese can sue anyone at any time and has most of the city of Southampton under an NDA. I dont get it... see NC was just a short arsed dwarf so why is anyone affraid of him?... secondly, if its a legal thing, then we have been told by the wise that NC is so crap in taking legal action anyway, why be worried... he will lose against whoever he tries to sue (covers both the 'comedy moment' and the seriously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 I dont get it... see NC was just a short arsed dwarf so why is anyone affraid of him?... secondly' date=' if its a legal thing, then we have been told by the wise that NC is so crap in taking legal action anyway, why be worried... he will lose against whoever he tries to sue (covers both the 'comedy moment' and the seriously)[/quote'] It does seem strange, I'm sure all the stories will come out via the "if only you knew!" Brigade when Cortese is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 I dont get it... see NC was just a short arsed dwarf so why is anyone affraid of him?... secondly' date=' if its a legal thing, then we have been told by the wise that NC is so crap in taking legal action anyway, why be worried... he will lose against whoever he tries to sue (covers both the 'comedy moment' and the seriously)[/quote'] Who has NC taken legal action against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Fart-gate- wasn't it Hypo's sister who farted and got fired? Yeah I believe it was. Hypo seems to get a bad rap round here and I never understand why, he's good people! I just wish MLT had the balls of hypo's sister and could trump in Cortese's face rather than quietly letting out sly squeakers from the safety of his sky sports studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 Who has NC taken legal action against? Hypo's sister is on a court enforced no-bran diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 April, 2014 Share Posted 7 April, 2014 FF' date=' seriously, as someone who has worked within the Union envronment for so many years, surely this is ******... I would suggest that legally, any CDA counts for feck all if its being used to 'cover up' serious allegations that breach employment law... bullying, constructive dismissals etc. I once signed a compromise agreement which stated my pay off was final and I do not tell anyone why i left.... my lawyer said it would never stand up, I could say what I liked provided it was the truth - anfd I did - you cant buy 'silence' - this is football, not some mafia Omerta.... Folks dont say anything when they leave, not because they are frightened of the place they are leaving, but because they dont want to prejudice their chances of getting a job within the industry at another club...[/quote'] Not easy though when your mortgage, family etc are settled in the Southampton area. NC ruled with a rod of iron and bullied to get what he wanted. I think as the months pass the stories will emerge just as they did when people did not want to believe the Burley is a drunk rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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