SNSUN Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 So they can't sign anyone until 2015. Will it affect them that much? They rely heavily on homegrown talent anyway. Weren't we linked with Tello last summer? I guess there will be no "outs" while there are no "ins". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 So they can't sign anyone until 2015. Will it affect them that much? They rely heavily on homegrown talent anyway. Weren't we linked with Tello last summer? I guess there will be no "outs" while there are no "ins". I think part of the ban means they can't sell either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 They can sell, but their first-team squad is so small they'd be utterly mental to do so, assuming the ban is enforced (Barcelona will appeal). The most interesting part of this situation is what happens to the players they've already agreed to sign in the summer - they've already got a deal with Borussia Moenchengladbach to sign their goalkeeper, Marc-André ter Stegen, to replace Victor Valdés, and Gladbach have already started spending that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 They can sell, but their first-team squad is so small they'd be utterly mental to do so, assuming the ban is enforced (Barcelona will appeal). The most interesting part of this situation is what happens to the players they've already agreed to sign in the summer - they've already got a deal with Borussia Moenchengladbach to sign their goalkeeper, Marc-André ter Stegen, to replace Victor Valdés, and Gladbach have already started spending that money. Oh really? BBC says they can't sell - hence the confusion. Spanish champions Barcelona have been given a 14-month transfer ban by Fifa for breaking rules on signing international players under 18. The Catalan club cannot buy or sell players until the summer of 2015 after the world governing body imposed a transfer ban for the next two windows. Also didn't realise ter Stegen was a done deal? Does that mean it would now be blocked? Or he wouldn't be allowed to be registered until the season after next? Too much confusion here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 The Disciplinary Committee regarded the infringements as serious and decided to sanction the club with a transfer ban at both national and international level for two complete and consecutive transfer periods Difficult to tell whether that means a ban on sales as well - if you're not allowed to sign anyone, why would you want to sell anyone anyway? Ultimately it'll probably all be redundant as Barcelona will appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and it'll take months for that appeal to be heard, so the ban will be suspended until the case is heard, so they'll just go mental in the summer to make sure the ban doesn't actually affect them at all when it's eventually imposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 Difficult to tell whether that means a ban on sales as well - if you're not allowed to sign anyone, why would you want to sell anyone anyway? Ultimately it'll probably all be redundant as Barcelona will appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and it'll take months for that appeal to be heard, so the ban will be suspended until the case is heard, so they'll just go mental in the summer to make sure the ban doesn't actually affect them at all when it's eventually imposed. I'd have it'll all just go away in the end, bit like Chelsea a few years back re: Kakuta. Whatever happened to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 I'd have it'll all just go away in the end, bit like Chelsea a few years back re: Kakuta. Whatever happened to him? He's on loan at Lazio at the moment. Chelsea's links with Vitesse Arnhem, who he was on loan at earlier in the season, is being investigated by the Dutch FA at the moment after there was a suggestion that Chelsea have "discouraged" Vitesse from qualifying for the Champions League. Their owner is an "associate" of Abramovich, so they're clearly worried that UEFA will link them and ban one or both of them as UEFA rules state that two clubs owned by the same person/group/company cannot compete in the same competition. The reason the Chelsea one went away was because Chelsea settled with RC Lens privately, so they dropped the charges. With Barcelona, there are at least 10 deals under scrutiny here, with little prospect of them settling with all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 He's on loan at Lazio at the moment. Chelsea's links with Vitesse Arnhem, who he was on loan at earlier in the season, is being investigated by the Dutch FA at the moment after there was a suggestion that Chelsea have "discouraged" Vitesse from qualifying for the Champions League. Their owner is an "associate" of Abramovich, so they're clearly worried that UEFA will link them and ban one or both of them as UEFA rules state that two clubs owned by the same person/group/company cannot compete in the same competition. The reason the Chelsea one went away was because Chelsea settled with RC Lens privately, so they dropped the charges. With Barcelona, there are at least 10 deals under scrutiny here, with little prospect of them settling with all of them. I'd hope that eventually FIFA will put a stop to this hoovering up of young talent by a few clubs because eventually it will create a sort of cartel where just a few decide who plays and who doesn't. Chelsea must have a side as good as many PL teams out on loan at this time. They probably have 30 or so players for whom they have no real use whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 Pretty sure they cant stop clubs selling, just stop the registration of new players. Granty raises a good point regarding Ter Stegan though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 Obv there is a reasonably easy fix, get Valdes and Puyol to sign 1 year deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 Obv there is a reasonably easy fix, get Valdes and Puyol to sign 1 year deals Puyol still had a year left to run anyway, they'd agreed an early mutual termination. Valdes' agent will be laughing all the way to the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 I'd hope that eventually FIFA will put a stop to this hoovering up of young talent by a few clubs because eventually it will create a sort of cartel where just a few decide who plays and who doesn't. Chelsea must have a side as good as many PL teams out on loan at this time. They probably have 30 or so players for whom they have no real use whatsoever. In a slightly perverse way, them signing all of this young talent is their way of attempting to satisfy the UEFA Financial Fair Play criteria. Signing these players means that their rivals can't sign them, then they loan them out to teams of their choosing, thereby saving on wages and probably collecting a loan fee as well, and then if they still have no use for them after a couple of years they can sell them at a profit. Kevin de Bruyne is a prime example of that, signed for £7m a few years ago, sent out on loan a couple of times to his old club Genk and then Werder Bremen, came back, didn't do enough for Mourinho's liking so they sold him to Wolfsburg (who have been throwing money around lately) for £17m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 In a slightly perverse way, them signing all of this young talent is their way of attempting to satisfy the UEFA Financial Fair Play criteria. Signing these players means that their rivals can't sign them, then they loan them out to teams of their choosing, thereby saving on wages and probably collecting a loan fee as well, and then if they still have no use for them after a couple of years they can sell them at a profit. Kevin de Bruyne is a prime example of that, signed for £7m a few years ago, sent out on loan a couple of times to his old club Genk and then Werder Bremen, came back, didn't do enough for Mourinho's liking so they sold him to Wolfsburg (who have been throwing money around lately) for £17m. No doubt, all these new rules and regulations seem to be so easily circumnavigated. Looked up the HG rule for the PL the other day and noticed to my surprise that 8 HG players in any 25 man PL senior squad is by no means set in stone, it's just that non-HG over 21s are limited to 17 that's all . Couldn't quite understand before just how Chelsea,Citeh and Arsenal were managing that. So with 17 foreign senior players and a few foreign U21s they have got round the rule that was supposed to guarantee the future of British football extremely easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 2 April, 2014 Share Posted 2 April, 2014 Pffft, they'll get it overturned... Nothing will happen. Happened to Chelsea too. Appeal, pay a bit of money which is pocket change and everybody moves on. This is FIFA's way of acting like they do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 In probably the least surprising turn of events, ever... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27126522 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 In probably the least surprising turn of events, ever... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27126522 Yup. Utterly shocking.... Combined with the business Martin Samuel wrote about us and the FFP rules the other day, I am actually wondering why the rest of us bother any more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 23 April, 2014 Share Posted 23 April, 2014 Surprise, surprise... Of course they would have thrown the book at smaller clubs, I'd bet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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