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Your previous posts on this thread can be summed up in four words:-

 

Damned with faint praise.

 

I know you won't like it, but there appears to be a bit more support for saint86's post than any of yours on this thread

 

What part of calling promotion "a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially" would you consider faint praise.

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What part of calling promotion "a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially" would you consider faint praise.

 

The bit that came after it. I'll just remind you, shall I?

 

Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously.
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What the hell....

 

For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses.

 

As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy.

 

The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions.

 

On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this?

 

Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it?

He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game.

 

AND...

 

Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML...

 

He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season.

 

I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest.

 

The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest).

 

But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean...

 

but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did.

 

Good post.

 

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The bit that came after it. I'll just remind you, shall I?

 

So you think Cortese should have Carte Blanche to do what the hell he liked?

 

Okay then. Great "perspective" there. Thank god you're here, oh wise one.

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Sounds like a fair comment to me.

Yes it would be if it was part of a rather more balanced assessment, but as Hypo has constantly also voiced his desire to see Cortese gone and then his pleasure when it happened, (even on this thread) then it is reasonable to call his grudging approval of some of the things Cortese did well as faint praise.

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So you think Cortese should have Carte Blanche to do what the hell he liked?

 

Okay then. Great "perspective" there. Thank god you're here, oh wise one.

 

 

The perspective referred to his achievement in gaining us promotion from the third division, but then you never were good at comprehension.

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The perspective referred to his achievement in gaining us promotion from the third division, but then you never were good at comprehension.

 

Think you should take a step back and look at the statement. He was given enough money by Markus and KL to recruit a PL standard manager and buy in sought after players from the league above by paying top transfer fees and top wages. Anything less than promotion from the third division would have been utter failure.

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Think you should take a step back and look at the statement. He was given enough money by Markus and KL to recruit a PL standard manager and buy in sought after players from the league above by paying top transfer fees and top wages. Anything less than promotion from the third division would have been utter failure.

 

Last time I checked we were 8th in the prem with four full England internationals - not bobbing along in the championship.

 

No other team in England has risen so high and so quickly in the last four to five years as us. FACT

 

If you believe that the top four or six are a closed shop, we are effectively best of the rest.

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Think you should take a step back and look at the statement. He was given enough money by Markus and KL to recruit a PL standard manager and buy in sought after players from the league above by paying top transfer fees and top wages. Anything less than promotion from the third division would have been utter failure.

 

Sorry, that's not the "perspective" view. Apparently we achieved some kind of footballing miracle.

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Think you should take a step back and look at the statement. He was given enough money by Markus and KL to recruit a PL standard manager and buy in sought after players from the league above by paying top transfer fees and top wages. Anything less than promotion from the third division would have been utter failure.

 

He also replaced Adkins with MP, a master stroke whether you believe it or not..

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Last time I checked we were 8th in the prem with four full England internationals - not bobbing along in the championship.

 

No other team in England has risen so high and so quickly in the last four to five years as us. FACT

 

If you believe that the top four or six are a closed shop, we are effectively best of the rest.

 

I hate to say but Norwich achieved league 1 to PL in the same time scale as us one season before us with arguably a worse team, I'm willing to bet less cash spent (I could be wrong on that) and with Delia ****ing Smith running the shop they also finished higher than us in the 1st season back in the PL so it's not like NC is the only one to achieve this miracle.

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I hate to say but Norwich achieved league 1 to PL in the same time scale as us one season before us with arguably a worse team, I'm willing to bet less cash spent (I could be wrong on that) and with Delia ****ing Smith running the shop they also finished higher than us in the 1st season back in the PL so it's not like NC is the only one to achieve this miracle.

 

FFS will you have some perspective!!

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And some can't even remember that since that eighth position, we were relegated into the third division and went into administration and have since staged one of the greatest phoenix revivals in football history. The achievement of this season's position has to be recognised against where we were when Markus Liebherr and Cortese took us over. Rather than feeling that this season is the greatest in our history, there are many who believe that the club's future prospects are as bright as they have ever been and that this team and the academy prospects coming through and the way they play is arguably the best that they have ever seen. Many would also argue that this current team would beat that 2003 team.

 

That is applying some perspective to our current situation.

 

Exactly.

We have finished 8th before. The lead up to that was something like 25 years in top division and finishing 10th and 11th in the couple of years before.

In the timescale leading up to the two 8th places (if we finish 8th) -last time we went from 12th to 8th in the time we went from relegation to league 1 to 8th.

 

And three players with us in league 1 now play for England.

 

Not a common rise!

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I hate to say but Norwich achieved league 1 to PL in the same time scale as us one season before us with arguably a worse team, I'm willing to bet less cash spent (I could be wrong on that) and with Delia ****ing Smith running the shop they also finished higher than us in the 1st season back in the PL so it's not like NC is the only one to achieve this miracle.

 

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I hate to say but Norwich achieved league 1 to PL in the same time scale as us one season before us with arguably a worse team, I'm willing to bet less cash spent (I could be wrong on that) and with Delia ****ing Smith running the shop they also finished higher than us in the 1st season back in the PL so it's not like NC is the only one to achieve this miracle.

 

Are they 8th? More importantly are they playing the quality of football that has been rewarded with four full England call ups - only bettered in the last squad by Man U and Liverpool?

 

Nope, I didn't think so.

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He also replaced Adkins with MP, a master stroke whether you believe it or not..

 

Translated as: Pardew was talking to Newcastle, Cortese found out and demanded he commit to Saints forever and a day - which he wouldnt so Cortese sacked him without having a replacement lined up. We nearly lost Adkins when he refused to dump on S****horpe as Cortese wanted.

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Exactly.

We have finished 8th before. The lead up to that was something like 25 years in top division and finishing 10th and 11th in the couple of years before.

In the timescale leading up to the two 8th places (if we finish 8th) -last time we went from 12th to 8th in the time we went from relegation to league 1 to 8th.

 

And three players with us in league 1 now play for England.

 

Not a common rise!

 

Glad you mentioned a previous Chairman's ability to deliver a series of solid mid Prem finishes culminating in eighth, a cup final and fourth in mid season too.

 

Our last chairman fled for the hills during mid season (when we were ninth not fourth), stropping off after completing all of one whole season in the top flight.

 

Fingers crossed the new guy can hack it for a little longer.

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Translated as: Pardew was talking to Newcastle, Cortese found out and demanded he commit to Saints forever and a day - which he wouldnt so Cortese sacked him without having a replacement lined up. We nearly lost Adkins when he refused to dump on S****horpe as Cortese wanted.

 

He's talking about Pochettino not Pardew.

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He's talking about Pochettino not Pardew.

 

:lol:

 

Can't see the big picture or the small details it seems.

 

Of course, remember that the mongboard brains trust doesn't think MP is any better than Adkins - just that he has better players at his disposal.

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Are they 8th? More importantly are they playing the quality of football that has been rewarded with four full England call ups - only bettered in the last squad by Man U and Liverpool?

 

Nope, I didn't think so.

 

So basically NC has done a bit better than Delia Smith with more (of someone else's) money. Cool go NC........

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I think people are confusing getting us to the prem (a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially) and idiocy like the training ground overspend or the sponsorship debacle. Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously.

 

Quite right.

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I think people are confusing getting us to the prem (a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially) and idiocy like the training ground overspend or the sponsorship debacle. Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously.

 

Spot on. I was a big fan of Cortese, the success on-pitch was unprecedented. But it's not unfair to say there were several shortcomings off the field or away from the football.

 

It was a little bit sad seeing that carpet cleaning/laying company having to threaten legal action, and our commercial side of the club is under-developed, compared to competitors.

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Spot on. I was a big fan of Cortese, the success on-pitch was unprecedented. But it's not unfair to say there were several shortcomings off the field or away from the football.

 

It was a little bit sad seeing that carpet cleaning/laying company having to threaten legal action, and our commercial side of the club is under-developed, compared to competitors.

 

This and Hypo's original post are about as balanced a statement as you're likely to see regarding Cortese. Quite how it has developed into a "get some perspective" accusation and various other claptrap is somewhat mysterious. Or not, I should say.

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This and Hypo's original post are about as balanced a statement as you're likely to see regarding Cortese. Quite how it has developed into a "get some perspective" accusation and various other claptrap is somewhat mysterious. Or not, I should say.

 

Yes but something something League One something greatest phoenix rise in something something short memories something perspective something.

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Yes but something something League One something greatest phoenix rise in something something short memories something perspective something.

 

Oh you're for it now "small fry" they'll hit you with the 'failing to see the bigger picture' lamblast, or if they really want to get you then stand by for the laughing emoticon, a dagger through the heart of all serious posters, that'll rattle you Fried.

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Oh you're for it now "small fry" they'll hit you with the 'failing to see the bigger picture' lamblast, or if they really want to get you then stand by for the laughing emoticon, a dagger through the heart of all serious posters, that'll rattle you Fried.

 

Who knows pal he might even change his location.

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I hate to say but Norwich achieved league 1 to PL in the same time scale as us one season before us with arguably a worse team, I'm willing to bet less cash spent (I could be wrong on that) and with Delia ****ing Smith running the shop they also finished higher than us in the 1st season back in the PL so it's not like NC is the only one to achieve this miracle.

 

I don't see anyone denying Norwich's achievement - the perspective comes with the fact that there were 72 clubs out there striving for the same goals and we were one out of two who managed it.

 

The fact that another team also did doesn't in any way diminish our performance - surely nobody would look for reasons to do that?!:mcinnes:

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I don't see anyone denying Norwich's achievement - the perspective comes with the fact that there were 72 clubs out there striving for the same goals and we were one out of two who managed it.

 

The fact that another team also did doesn't in any way diminish our performance - surely nobody would look for reasons to do that?!:mcinnes:

 

I think you need to chill I was merely pointing out that IMO this statement wasn't true

 

No other team in England has risen so high and so quickly in the last four to five years as us. FACT

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I think people are confusing getting us to the prem (a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially) and idiocy like the training ground overspend or the sponsorship debacle. Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously.

 

Okay, so the above is unbalanced and damning with faint praise but the below is 'balanced'.

 

And some can't even remember that since that eighth position, we were relegated into the third division and went into administration and have since staged one of the greatest phoenix revivals in football history. The achievement of this season's position has to be recognised against where we were when Markus Liebherr and Cortese took us over. Rather than feeling that this season is the greatest in our history, there are many who believe that the club's future prospects are as bright as they have ever been and that this team and the academy prospects coming through and the way they play is arguably the best that they have ever seen. Many would also argue that this current team would beat that 2003 team.

 

 

That is applying some perspective to our current situation.

 

I genuinely find it hard to tell who is trolling who nowadays...

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:nod::nod:

What the hell....

 

For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses.

 

As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy.

 

The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions.

 

On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this?

 

Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it?

He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game.

 

AND...

 

Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML...

 

He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season.

 

I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest.

 

The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest).

 

But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean...

 

but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did.

 

 

:nod:

 

Spot on!

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Okay, so the above is unbalanced and damning with faint praise but the below is 'balanced'.

 

I genuinely find it hard to tell who is trolling who nowadays...

Trolling is taking a sentence out of context and twisting it to make a point. Just as you have done.
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Trolling is taking a sentence out of context and twisting it to make a point. Just as you have done.

 

No it really isn't.

 

Trolling is when you post something outrageous in order to provoke a reaction.

 

And as for twisting a sentence and twisting it. I'm afraid, I didn't do that either.

 

I think people are confusing getting us to the prem (a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially) and idiocy like the training ground overspend or the sponsorship debacle. Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously.

 

And some can't even remember that since that eighth position, we were relegated into the third division and went into administration and have since staged one of the greatest phoenix revivals in football history. The achievement of this season's position has to be recognised against where we were when Markus Liebherr and Cortese took us over. Rather than feeling that this season is the greatest in our history, there are many who believe that the club's future prospects are as bright as they have ever been and that this team and the academy prospects coming through and the way they play is arguably the best that they have ever seen. Many would also argue that this current team would beat that 2003 team.

 

 

That is applying some perspective to our current situation.

 

 

 

 

 

Your previous posts on this thread can be summed up in four words:-

 

 

Damned with faint praise.

 

 

I know you won't like it, but there appears to be a bit more support for saint86's post than any of yours on this thread

 

 

 

 

Yes it would be if it was part of a rather more balanced assessment, but as Hypo has constantly also voiced his desire to see Cortese gone and then his pleasure when it happened, (even on this thread) then it is reasonable to call his grudging approval of some of the things Cortese did well as faint praise.

 

 

 

 

Rather than defensively accusing others of twisting things, it might be better for you to more closely consider what your posts are actually saying.

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Spot on. I was a big fan of Cortese, the success on-pitch was unprecedented. But it's not unfair to say there were several shortcomings off the field or away from the football.

 

It was a little bit sad seeing that carpet cleaning/laying company having to threaten legal action, and our commercial side of the club is under-developed, compared to competitors.

 

Very true and very fair - just that for some of us the negatives mentioned were far outwieghed by the on the pitch progress. For some of us we don't expect or need our Chairman to be perfect, but focus on those things that lead to the best possible on the field progress...

 

Being disspointred in NC for whatever reeason is fair, he made mistakes and was NOT perfect afterall. But the 'perspective' called for IMHO is that the amout of bitter vitriol spouted by a few on here is disproportionate to his 'mistakes' - especially when placed in context of what has been achieved in the last 5 years... therefore the logical/rational conclusion given that teh smae few keep spouting the smae mantra at every opprortunity is that its either WUMing or just plain wierd....

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Very true and very fair - just that for some of us the negatives mentioned were far outwieghed by the on the pitch progress. For some of us we don't expect or need our Chairman to be perfect, but focus on those things that lead to the best possible on the field progress...

 

Being disspointred in NC for whatever reeason is fair, he made mistakes and was NOT perfect afterall. But the 'perspective' called for IMHO is that the amout of bitter vitriol spouted by a few on here is disproportionate to his 'mistakes' - especially when placed in context of what has been achieved in the last 5 years... therefore the logical/rational conclusion given that teh smae few keep spouting the smae mantra at every opprortunity is that its either WUMing or just plain wierd....

 

Equally the blind faith some had in him, the refusal to critise anything he did, the passionate defence some would be at lengths to put up for him when anyone dared to, in some cases not even critise, but dare to suggest he was not all some believed he was, can also be desribed as just plain wierd?

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No it really isn't.

 

Trolling is when you post something outrageous in order to provoke a reaction.

 

And as for twisting a sentence and twisting it. I'm afraid, I didn't do that either.

 

Rather than defensively accusing others of twisting things, it might be better for you to more closely consider what your posts are actually saying.

 

I do consider what I am saying before I post, naturally. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, then tough. I thought it was fair comment, you obviously didn't. I'm not about to lose any sleep on it.

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Very true and very fair - just that for some of us the negatives mentioned were far outwieghed by the on the pitch progress. For some of us we don't expect or need our Chairman to be perfect, but focus on those things that lead to the best possible on the field progress...

 

Being disspointred in NC for whatever reeason is fair, he made mistakes and was NOT perfect afterall. But the 'perspective' called for IMHO is that the amout of bitter vitriol spouted by a few on here is disproportionate to his 'mistakes' - especially when placed in context of what has been achieved in the last 5 years... therefore the logical/rational conclusion given that teh smae few keep spouting the smae mantra at every opprortunity is that its either WUMing or just plain wierd....

 

Exactly my feelings. Context, balance and perspective.

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