dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Norwich? Very good...so there are 72 teams that are not in the PL and there's two that have similar records...kind of reinforces my point doesn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I think people are confusing getting us to the prem (a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially) and idiocy like the training ground overspend or the sponsorship debacle. Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Very good...so there are 72 teams that are not in the PL and there's two that have similar records...kind of reinforces my point doesn't it! We bought our way out of L1 and the Championship, so did Norwich. If you believe otherwise then fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 It's a joke fella -hence the facepalm- a reference to a Glasgow mare on here. Not to worry - I guess we've stopped paying attention to those On the difference between gross and net spend, I've been attempting to educate small Fry and the tinpot salesmen for months -alas it still seems to have been in vain. My apologies...I misread the intent of the face palm...it's sometimes murky amongst the skates/trolls/SADS* and hard of thinking...keep up the educative process! * Canada Saint's acronym for sneerers and detractors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 We bought our way out of L1 and the Championship, so did Norwich. If you believe otherwise then fine. Sure that was part of it...and your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Sure that was part of it...and your point is? See post 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Dronk Are you a horrible little man? I hope not but you type like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Dronk Are you a horrible little man? I hope not but you type like it. Ah my oblique reference to skates, trolls, SADs and the hard of thinking brings out the epitome of the combination.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Ah my oblique reference to skates, trolls, SADs and the hard of thinking brings out the epitome of the combination.... Look. If I've gone to the trouble of blocking a poster, you'd oblige me by not quoting him. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 (edited) I think people are confusing getting us to the prem (a great achievement that should be applauded and which made a huge difference financially) and idiocy like the training ground overspend or the sponsorship debacle. Just because he helped us to promotion does not then mean that the the chairman has carte blanche to neglect bits of the business and do what the hell he likes simply because of the money he has made us previously. Let's keep some sense of proportion when measuring Cortese's record - compared to TV revenues and other income streams, the sponsorship 'debacle' is a drop in the ocean. Agreed the overspend on the training ground is more concerning; but without more info, it is hard to disentangle how much was pure, irrecoverable waste from how much had some financial rationale. Edited 31 March, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Of course he left of his own accord. He was a hero and miracle worker and the meltdown and mass player unrest that were warned is now coming to fruition. Myself and the other "trolls" that suggested he wasn't anything other than the greatest man who has ever lived have certainly been shown up. Oh poor you - WHEN WILL THE INTERNET GIVE YOU THE RESPECT YOU DESERVE IN LIFE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Seems Cortese didn't do much good at all. Poor commercial decisions, nasty to the fans and MLT, poor signings, poor financial performance, arrogant, petty and wore built up shoes. Guess we can count ourselves lucky that we got off with just a couple of promotions and a very good prem team and manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Let's keep some sense of proportion when measuring Cortese's record - compared to TV revenues and other income streams, the sponsorship 'debacle' is a drop in the ocean. Agreed the overspend on the training ground is more concerning; but without more info, it is hard to disentangle how much was pure, irrecoverable waste from how much had some financial rationale. Well all that matters is that a combination of the way he treated staff, the training ground overspend, sponsorship, corporate etc was enough for katherina to get rid. I doubt she saw it as just a drop in the ocean, it is clearly viewed as more important at other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Look. If I've gone to the trouble of blocking a poster, you'd oblige me by not quoting him. Thanks. Again my apologies...I guess even without a name you'd have recognised the description?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Too many people on this forum with personal agendas. I fully accept that Katherine wanted more control and that meant Cortese had to leave. I fully accept that we appear yo have a new team who are very amenable toward the fans. But the way I see it, when Markus first bought the club he needed a very strong character to drag the club kicking and screaming out of the mire. It was not a time for Mr nice guy. It was a time for a trusted friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Well all that matters is that a combination of the way he treated staff, the training ground overspend, sponsorship, corporate etc was enough for katherina to get rid. I doubt she saw it as just a drop in the ocean, it is clearly viewed as more important at other clubs. Agree the man had no idea how to treat his loyal staff and create a postive infrastructure so staff were glad to work at the club .glad he's gone and now the club can move forward has one. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Too many people on this forum with personal agendas. I fully accept that Katherine wanted more control and that meant Cortese had to leave. I fully accept that we appear yo have a new team who are very amenable toward the fans. But the way I see it, when Markus first bought the club he needed a very strong character to drag the club kicking and screaming out of the mire. It was not a time for Mr nice guy. It was a time for a trusted friend. Who has personal agendas? In what way? Has anyone stated they have a problem with NC being a hard task master or wanted him to be a "Mr Nice Guy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Agree the man had no idea how to treat his loyal staff and create a postive infrastructure so staff were glad to work at the club .glad he's gone and now the club can move forward has one. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Credit where it's due, he did that on the football side. It was other areas of the club he failed to do that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Too many people on this forum with personal agendas. I fully accept that Katherine wanted more control and that meant Cortese had to leave. I fully accept that we appear yo have a new team who are very amenable toward the fans. But the way I see it, when Markus first bought the club he needed a very strong character to drag the club kicking and screaming out of the mire. It was not a time for Mr nice guy. It was a time for a trusted friend. When you say personal agenda, do you mean an opinion different to the accepted one on here? some people seemed unable to see any fault in him whatsoever, blinding sucking up what they were told and finding all sorts of ways to justify his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 While others find ways to highlight his failures and ignore his achievements. He was a bit of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Credit where it's due, he did that on the football side. It was other areas of the club he failed to do that in. Agree on that Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 He got all the major decisions absolutely spot on. Not the perfect chairman but he installed an amazing drive and momentum at the club that we are still benefiting from. I am interested to see what the new regime bring to things but I fear that we will not have quite the same aspirations and expectations for the future now, hope to be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 If the new chairman does half as good a job as Cortese, then we'll be doing pretty well over the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 (edited) He got all the major decisions absolutely spot on. Not the perfect chairman but he installed an amazing drive and momentum at the club that we are still benefiting from. I am interested to see what the new regime bring to things but I fear that we will not have quite the same aspirations and expectations for the future now, hope to be wrong! Problem is all that drive and ambition was built on someone else's money KL might be rich but she isn't a bottomless pit of cash either. I think her family have invested something like 50 million quid of their money to get us to where we are it was all very well NC promising CL and a new bigger stadium as wasn't coming out of his pocket. It seems to me a lot of fans are being a little ungrateful and instead of looking at what KL and her dad have given us are now crying over not getting what they feel NC promised them. Edited 1 April, 2014 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 If the new chairman does half as good a job as Cortese, then we'll be doing pretty well over the next few years. Do you mean - if KL gives the new chairman the same financial support as Cortese, then we'll be doing pretty well over the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Tough, nasty, it matters not. Visionary, lunatic, it matters not. I said time and again he was a complete c\/nt but he was our c\/nt. Most of what he implemented were the ideas of the team at Stoneham and those left in an office drawer by Andrew Cowen and the back office team. Again, none of that matters. What matters is that SOMEHOW everything he did, everyone he upset, ever idea he found, borrowed or "possibly stole" worked. His decisions although often so wrong were often so right. Clearly he was out of control and had to be reined in, so for me he was put in a position were he was resigned. However. After the Lowe years and the Imbecile years of the Execs then going Wilde, what the Club needed was Singlemindedness to a point of Bloodymindedness. It worked. Luckily none of us will ever have the chance to stand next to him in a Gents Bathroom and give him a piece of our mind. Nor will we ever have to sit with the guy for a Dinner event. It worked. His time was done. He is as important a part of how we got (back) to this new Dawn as Rupert, Wigley, The Dutch idiots or Johno Quick & Nige. They all played a part. What matters now is the future. What matters now is Adam Luke and others staying long enough so that the NEXT generation of Stars from the Academy can come through and keep us being the next Green Bay Packers...... (Just to annoy Turks I bumped into Clattenberg in that situation on Saturday and am not proud of being so rude) Agreed. Thanks Phil. That saved a load of typing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Are you Fred Dineage? Get it right ..... Fred Carnage ....... the end product of combining Specsavers and Everest Double Glazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Word of the day (thread): arrogance. Noun - offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride; haughtiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Tough, nasty, it matters not. Visionary, lunatic, it matters not. I said time and again he was a complete c\/nt but he was our c\/nt. Most of what he implemented were the ideas of the team at Stoneham and those left in an office drawer by Andrew Cowen and the back office team. Again, none of that matters. What matters is that SOMEHOW everything he did, everyone he upset, ever idea he found, borrowed or "possibly stole" worked. His decisions although often so wrong were often so right. Clearly he was out of control and had to be reined in, so for me he was put in a position were he was resigned. However. After the Lowe years and the Imbecile years of the Execs then going Wilde, what the Club needed was Singlemindedness to a point of Bloodymindedness. It worked. Luckily none of us will ever have the chance to stand next to him in a Gents Bathroom and give him a piece of our mind. Nor will we ever have to sit with the guy for a Dinner event. It worked. His time was done. He is as important a part of how we got (back) to this new Dawn as Rupert, Wigley, The Dutch idiots or Johno Quick & Nige. They all played a part. What matters now is the future. What matters now is Adam Luke and others staying long enough so that the NEXT generation of Stars from the Academy can come through and keep us being the next Green Bay Packers...... (Just to annoy Turks I bumped into Clattenberg in that situation on Saturday and am not proud of being so rude) Sums it up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 At the end of the day it wasn't NC that saved our club it was ML, his money allowed us to win promotion from L1 & Championship. His money allowed us to rebuild the club, upgrade the training ground etc. His family who control the club & his Daughter who is going to take this club to the next level. All NC did was to spend other peoples money whilst making arguably poor business decisions. Love them or loathe them the owners of the club have the right to do what they think is for the betterment of the football club, that in their opinion meant to make changes at board level. The truth about NC & his dealings will come out in time then we can really judge just how well he did for the club or indeed for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Cortese did great things at our club there is no doubt about that. The players appeared to love him and why wouldnt they given the lavish contracts and bonuses they received. On the flip side he did make enemies and was very egotistical which could explain poor commercial revenue under his watch. Lets move on but we shouldnt completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club. Some of you have very short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Some of you have very short memories. Too right. Some people can't even remember we finished eighth in the Premier League not that long ago and act like this season is the greatest in our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Cortese did great things at our club there is no doubt about that. The players appeared to love him and why wouldnt they given the lavish contracts and bonuses they received. On the flip side he did make enemies and was very egotistical which could explain poor commercial revenue under his watch. Lets move on but we shouldnt completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club. Some of you have very short memories. What the hell.... For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses. As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy. The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions. On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this? Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it? He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game. AND... Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML... He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season. I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest. The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest). But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean... but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Thank goodness he has gone and clowns like saint86 will be forced to move on soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 What the hell.... For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses. As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy. The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions. On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this? Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it? He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game. AND... Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML... He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season. I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest. The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest). But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean... but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did. Applause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs i think that masterpiece of business decision making went down like this: Architect: Here is ur designs for a £15m academy NC: No! I want this, and change this, and add that. Architect: Ok here is ur designs for a £30m academy NC: Tks KL: WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 You thinking there were lots of amendments like lowered chairs and tables and stuff bear? Then new board came in and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 i actually heard that NC had a load of child sized underground tunnels installed throughout the site and he scurried around them like a rat, popping his head up through manhole covers to check that no-one was slacking. Now he is gone the underground tunnel network is almost completely redundant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 I heard Nathaniel Clyne was having trouble finding a home and was living in those tunnels for the time being. He invited Fonte round for dinner just for lols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 What the hell.... For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses. As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy. The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions. On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this? Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it? He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game. AND... Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML... He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season. I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest. The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest). But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean... but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did. You have made me laugh mate. You have totally misread what I wrote and then wet your pants over it. I was actually defending Cortese:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Thank goodness he has gone and clowns like saint86 will be forced to move on soon enough. We all know that you hated him, regardless of what he had done for us and that you never miss an opportunity to remind us of the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Too right. Some people can't even remember we finished eighth in the Premier League not that long ago and act like this season is the greatest in our history. And some can't even remember that since that eighth position, we were relegated into the third division and went into administration and have since staged one of the greatest phoenix revivals in football history. The achievement of this season's position has to be recognised against where we were when Markus Liebherr and Cortese took us over. Rather than feeling that this season is the greatest in our history, there are many who believe that the club's future prospects are as bright as they have ever been and that this team and the academy prospects coming through and the way they play is arguably the best that they have ever seen. Many would also argue that this current team would beat that 2003 team. That is applying some perspective to our current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 And some can't even remember that since that eighth position, we were relegated into the third division and went into administration and have since staged one of the greatest phoenix revivals in football history. The achievement of this season's position has to be recognised against where we were when Markus Liebherr and Cortese took us over. Rather than feeling that this season is the greatest in our history, there are many who believe that the club's future prospects are as bright as they have ever been and that this team and the academy prospects coming through and the way they play is arguably the best that they have ever seen. Many would also argue that this current team would beat that 2003 team. That is applying some perspective to our current situation. Small Fry doesnt do big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Small Fry doesnt do big picture. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Many would also argue that this current team would beat that 2003 team. I should hope they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 What the hell.... For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses. As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy. The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions. On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this? Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it? He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game. AND... Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML... He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season. I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest. The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest). But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean... but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did. I can't agree with that one our academy was turning out gems long before NC ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 I should hope they would. Quite. I wonder what the respective values on the two teams are wouldn't be surprised if Osvaldo cost more than the whole 2003 squad put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 What the hell.... For starters, he managed to establish us in the premier league whilst slashing the wage budget from 100% to somewhere in the 60% region, so didn't do a bad job with wages and bonuses. As for "shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved" - whether you like it or not, Cortese is directly responsible for everything we now sit here and enjoy. The media limelight and praise we recieve, the academy, fuc king pochettino who everyone loves (and the football we play), it is all down to Cortese and his decisions. On top of that, he did a great job with the finances, posting a £5m loss, are you people for real and actually listening to the spin the new board are putting on this? Every club splits transfers over 12, 24, 36 etc months - but we are the only ones who make a big deal of it? He slashed the wage budget (and very low agent fees!!) and has got us a £30m upgrade on the academy which is above and beyond the original designs to keep us at the very forefront and top of the game. AND... Without Cortese, we would never have been brought by ML... He did it all, and for a loss of only £5million last season, this is a smallfry compared to the vast majority of clubs in the league, and its also a figure that will be completely dwarfed by the increased tv deals this season. I doubt you could hope to achieve (let alone better) what he did in the same timeframe to be honest. The club is in a very healthy position, which will be even better after this seasons tv and prize money and the board are just trying to put some PR spin on things to push cortese even further from supporters minds (fairly unnecessary to be honest). But put it another way, if we were in financial difficulties, we wouldn't be able to say no one is for sale. So its either true (and therefore spin) or their lying about the figures and what they mean... but as for "Lets move on but we shouldn't completely disregard the good things he achieved at the club" - that is a joke, he raised this club up to where it is through his shear bloody mindedness and ruthlessness. And thank god he did. Top post sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 We all know that you hated him, regardless of what he had done for us and that you never miss an opportunity to remind us of the fact. Guess you disregard my previous posts on this thread then? And the numerous other times I have given him credit where it was due? Problem is, sycophants like saint86 just come across as deluded and it's quite sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 April, 2014 Share Posted 1 April, 2014 Guess you disregard my previous posts on this thread then? And the numerous other times I have given him credit where it was due? Problem is, sycophants like saint86 just come across as deluded and it's quite sad. Your previous posts on this thread can be summed up in four words:- Damned with faint praise. I know you won't like it, but there appears to be a bit more support for saint86's post than any of yours on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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