Gemmel Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 To keep it separate from the "Accounts" thread, there were some very telling comments that could be could be read as "Digs" at Cortese. Given promotion to CEO, I think it is safe to say they are not aimed at the then CFO and also a number of U turns (Badge, Logo, Let Tissier, Echo, Etc.) by the Club, is it possible that he was pushed, instead of jumping? I have to say I assumed without question that his leaving was all Cortese's decision but now I am not so sure. I am reading too much in to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Beginning to look like he was made an offer he could refuse. Resign or sack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I hope we'll find out eventually. One of many conflicting theories was that Liebherr approached him in an attempt to spread some his responsibilities and he walked as a result. If that's what happened you could argue it was both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Clearly nudged.... The guy was trying to play championship manager with someone elses money and has made a right mess of it. All those that think he worked miracles, can probably now see how/why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Either way, it's been shown he was a good Championship level chairman who struggled with the step up to the highest level. An Italian Ian Holloway if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Nick Nack was just an employee, but he didn't act like one. Over time he had begun to act in his own interests, and actively plot against his employer. His aim was always to take over the organisation. He told us as much, so there can be no question about this. "If you kill him, all this will be mine" - that is a direct quote yo! Thing is tho after JB took out scaramanger the whole island caught fire, so Nick Nack was a bit left with egg on his face in this regards tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Of course he left of his own accord. He was a hero and miracle worker and the meltdown and mass player unrest that were warned is now coming to fruition. Myself and the other "trolls" that suggested he wasn't anything other than the greatest man who has ever lived have certainly been shown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 31 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Either way, it's been shown he was a good Championship level chairman who struggled with the step up to the highest level. An Italian Ian Holloway if you will. I'm not sure how you deduce that from the accounts? For his (many) faults, he oversaw promotion to the Premier league and kept the club there in its first season and went on to consolidate the clubs position as a Premier league team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Of course he left of his own accord. He was a hero and miracle worker and the meltdown and mass player unrest that were warned is now coming to fruition. Myself and the other trolls that suggested he wasn't anything other than the greatest man who has ever lived have certainly been shown up. "for the foam-hand wearing dunce I really am." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I'm not sure how you deduce that from the accounts? For his (many) faults, he oversaw promotion to the Premier league and kept the club there in its first season and went on to consolidate the clubs position as a Premier league team. Okay, the Italian Chris Hughton then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 31 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Okay, the Italian Chris Hughton then. Would it be fair to say that you are a little bit strange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 On Solent commentary this week (or maybe the week before) Dave Merrington made a comment about people now working at the club being happy and going to work without fear.....I figured it was a dig at NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I think it's safe to say he was nudged. He was a decent chairman but obviously didn't have the grip we believed he had. He still saw us up to the Premiership, along with Adkins. I would actually say he is the Chairman equivalent of Adkins, and was, in essence replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 He did a good job, up to a point, but he always had a touch of "Il Duce" about him. I can imagine he told MS Leibherr that it's either my way or the highway and she invited him to take the highway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 To keep it separate from the "Accounts" thread, there were some very telling comments that could be could be read as "Digs" at Cortese. Given promotion to CEO, I think it is safe to say they are not aimed at the then CFO and also a number of U turns (Badge, Logo, Let Tissier, Echo, Etc.) by the Club, is it possible that he was pushed, instead of jumping? I have to say I assumed without question that his leaving was all Cortese's decision but now I am not so sure. I am reading too much in to this? A new regime (in business, sport, politics etc) will always criticise the old regime so they can be seen to put right some of the "wrongs" that went before them. Stories of how much better/happier/etc it is now will always come out. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 A new regime (in business, sport, politics etc) will always criticise the old regime so they can be seen to put right some of the "wrongs" that went before them. Stories of how much better/happier/etc it is now will always come out. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. It isn't a new regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 He did not play his hand very well. He made far too many enemies. A lot of people on this forum talked a lot of boll*cks about him at the time and if they had any humility they would admit they got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Whilst he was clearly a bit of a bell, they can't really criticize his financial management of the club, he's increased the value of their investment god knows how many times fold. Speculate to accumulate and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 It isn't a new regime. It is. The club is being managed by a totally new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Cortese was sacked, his resignation story was just a smoke screen the head of security was given his marching orders of Friday 31st Jan as he was to close to Cortese. Rogers was working his 3 months notice and was also due to leave the club on the 31st Jan as well, KL talked him into staying and taking the CEO position on a temporary basis the staff had even made a collection for a leaving gift for Rogers. One of the reasons KL arrived at St Marys is that she and her team had received letters and emails from staff and suppliers with complaints about Cortese and decided that they had to be investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Would have to say that judging by the thinly veiled criticisms emanating from SMS today, I don't think the parting was as amicable as the initial announcements suggested!! Then again, as many have said previously, most departures are hushed over as it's not that beneficial to be seen to be washing your dirty linen in public. As for the staff, I wonder if they will carry on using the new coffee machine which I understand cost tens of thousands to buy and install!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 He did not play his hand very well. He made far too many enemies. A lot of people on this forum talked a lot of boll*cks about him at the time and if they had any humility they would admit they got it wrong. Problem is, whatever now happens in the summer, we will never know whether it would have been better or worse had he stayed... Yet despite that, there will still be plenty of rubbish spouted as if Chrystal balls were ten penny. how NC is perceived is really just down to what you expect from the club. If you want it all fan friendly and nice an cuddly, and expect ten club to live you, then naturally you will have hated him... If on the other hand, you don't give a toss about all that rubbish and just expect a determined desire to improve, irrespective of how much a bastard he might have been, then he is likely to have had more appeal... The truth a out his departure? Doubt we will ever know, always going to be some bias depending on the source of info. Probably a combination. KL may well have wanted to diversify the responsibilities, and that is great if the drive and strategy is unified... We have yet to see whether the new board walk the walk, I hope they do, but the summer will tell us a lot. Personally, I liked NC. Not as a person as I did not know him, and really do t acre how much of a bastard he might have been... He was getting the job done. As to the various interpretations of the accounts... Think those being critical are being a little disingenuous to say the least... We don't know what Markus promised or agreed with NC... And the value of of any investment made to date has at least doubled in that time, which would not have me complaining. The so called 'transfer debt' is a nothing story, as it's perfectly normal to pay these off over a number of years... Why we paid 20 mil that year.... Which I would say is about right for a club with our turnover etc.... But where folk want to see muck, they will always find it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Cortese was sacked, his resignation story was just a smoke screen the head of security was given his marching orders of Friday 31st Jan as he was to close to Cortese. Rogers was working his 3 months notice and was also due to leave the club on the 31st Jan as well, KL talked him into staying and taking the CEO position on a temporary basis the staff had even made a collection for a leaving gift for Rogers. One of the reasons KL arrived at St Marys is that she and her team had received letters and emails from staff and suppliers with complaints about Cortese and decided that they had to be investigated. Can confirm that Rogers was definitely about to leave the area before a recall at the 11th hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 A final question that makes so much not add up.... Given that most have generally agreed ML was a decent bloke and all that, loads if integrity, friendly and just a nice guy.... Well if that's the case why would he be best friends - close trusted friend switch such an 'incompetent, not nice bastard' as some of you are suggesting....? Makes no sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 A final question that makes so much not add up.... Given that most have generally agreed ML was a decent bloke and all that' date=' loads if integrity, friendly and just a nice guy.... Well if that's the case why would he be best friends - close trusted friend switch such an 'incompetent, not nice bastard' as some of you are suggesting....? Makes no sense[/quote'] One explanation, which for some reason seems to be borne out across the length and breadth of the country, is that when anybody gets involved in running a football club, their ego seems to go in to overdrive and they seem to believe their own hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 A final question that makes so much not add up.... Given that most have generally agreed ML was a decent bloke and all that' date=' loads if integrity, friendly and just a nice guy.... Well if that's the case why would he be best friends - close trusted friend switch such an 'incompetent, not nice bastard' as some of you are suggesting....? Makes no sense[/quote'] How many met ML to make that judgement? I would put it at 0%. You don't become a multi billionaire by being nice. You have to take and make difficult decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 How many met ML to make that judgement? I would put it at 0%. You don't become a multi billionaire by being nice. You have to take and make difficult decisions. or by being born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 or by being born. that made no sense gramatically. you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 How many met ML to make that judgement? I would put it at 0%. You don't become a multi billionaire by being nice. You have to take and make difficult decisions. This... plus I would rather remember NC in only a positive light... dragged us from oblivion to the premier League. He probably left once the 'owner' decided to become more involved in the running of the club.. but who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 (edited) Problem is, whatever now happens in the summer, we will never know whether it would have been better or worse had he stayed... Yet despite that, there will still be plenty of rubbish spouted as if Chrystal balls were ten penny. how NC is perceived is really just down to what you expect from the club. If you want it all fan friendly and nice an cuddly, and expect ten club to live you, then naturally you will have hated him... If on the other hand, you don't give a toss about all that rubbish and just expect a determined desire to improve, irrespective of how much a bastard he might have been, then he is likely to have had more appeal... The truth a out his departure? Doubt we will ever know, always going to be some bias depending on the source of info. Probably a combination. KL may well have wanted to diversify the responsibilities, and that is great if the drive and strategy is unified... We have yet to see whether the new board walk the walk, I hope they do, but the summer will tell us a lot. Personally, I liked NC. Not as a person as I did not know him, and really do t acre how much of a bastard he might have been... He was getting the job done. As to the various interpretations of the accounts... Think those being critical are being a little disingenuous to say the least... We don't know what Markus promised or agreed with NC... And the value of of any investment made to date has at least doubled in that time, which would not have me complaining. The so called 'transfer debt' is a nothing story, as it's perfectly normal to pay these off over a number of years... Why we paid 20 mil that year.... Which I would say is about right for a club with our turnover etc.... But where folk want to see muck, they will always find it... Ask not if you can let the training ground budget go spiraling up by £15m, double the original plan, but how. Ask not if you can deliver one of the (if not the) very worst shirt sponsorship commercial deals in the Premier League, but how. Ask not if you can cosy up to your chums in the Daily Mail and Sky Sports with pie-in-the-sky self aggrandisement, and then feed them destabilising doom-laden trash talk on the event of your departure, but how. Edited 31 March, 2014 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 It is. The club is being managed by a totally new team. No it isn't. THe CFO is now the CEO, The owner is the same. There are a couple of new directors, rather than one all powerful being who wouldnt let the owner know what he was doing. It isn't a new regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Barry Sanchez in the 3rd person said lego head was all wrong, the happier ones dis not want to see it, our constant love affair affair with Italy is worth closer inspection, the absolute ****e buys as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Ask not if you can let the training ground budget go spiraling up by £15m, double the original plan, but how. Ask not if you can deliver one of the (if not the) very worst shirt sponsorship commercial deals in the Premier League, but how. Ask not if you can cosy up to your chums in the Daily Mail and Sky Sports with pie-in-the-sky self aggrandisement, and then feed them destabilising doom-laden trash talk on the event of your departure, but how. Ask not If you can sell virtually no more corporate seats and boxes in the Premier league than in L1, but how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I think it's safe to say he was nudged. He was a decent chairman but obviously didn't have the grip we believed he had. He still saw us up to the Premiership, along with Adkins. I would actually say he is the Chairman equivalent of Adkins, and was, in essence replaceable. I cannot believe what you have written. Does anybody else share this opinion? Without the vision of Nicola where would we be now? Everybody's day always come, but lets not forget what he did for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I cannot believe what you have written. Does anybody else share this opinion? Without the vision of Nicola where would we be now? Everybody's day always come, but lets not forget what he did for all of us. What was his vision? Spend alot, buy good players, appoint good staff, use talent from youth team and progress through/up the leagues? hardly evolutionary is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 What was his vision? Spend alot, buy good players, appoint good staff, use talent from youth team and progress through/up the leagues? hardly evolutionary is it. But it was Glasgow it was, it he stayed we would be in 5th place and a defo for 4th next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I cannot believe what you have written. Does anybody else share this opinion? Without the vision of Nicola where would we be now? . We might be fifteen million quid better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 No it isn't. THe CFO is now the CEO, The owner is the same. There are a couple of new directors, rather than one all powerful being who wouldnt let the owner know what he was doing. It isn't a new regime. Yes, you are so, so right. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Tough, nasty, it matters not. Visionary, lunatic, it matters not. I said time and again he was a complete c\/nt but he was our c\/nt. Most of what he implemented were the ideas of the team at Stoneham and those left in an office drawer by Andrew Cowen and the back office team. Again, none of that matters. What matters is that SOMEHOW everything he did, everyone he upset, ever idea he found, borrowed or "possibly stole" worked. His decisions although often so wrong were often so right. Clearly he was out of control and had to be reined in, so for me he was put in a position were he was resigned. However. After the Lowe years and the Imbecile years of the Execs then going Wilde, what the Club needed was Singlemindedness to a point of Bloodymindedness. It worked. Luckily none of us will ever have the chance to stand next to him in a Gents Bathroom and give him a piece of our mind. Nor will we ever have to sit with the guy for a Dinner event. It worked. His time was done. He is as important a part of how we got (back) to this new Dawn as Rupert, Wigley, The Dutch idiots or Johno Quick & Nige. They all played a part. What matters now is the future. What matters now is Adam Luke and others staying long enough so that the NEXT generation of Stars from the Academy can come through and keep us being the next Green Bay Packers...... (Just to annoy Turks I bumped into Clattenberg in that situation on Saturday and am not proud of being so rude) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Yes, you are so, so right. Yawn. Dont get stroppy. If one of the directors is the same and the owner is the same it isn't a completely new regime like you said it was, is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Tough, nasty, it matters not. Visionary, lunatic, it matters not. I said time and again he was a complete c\/nt but he was our c\/nt. Most of what he implemented were the ideas of the team at Stoneham and those left in an office drawer by Andrew Cowen and the back office team. Again, none of that matters. What matters is that SOMEHOW everything he did, everyone he upset, ever idea he found, borrowed or "possibly stole" worked. His decisions although often so wrong were often so right. Clearly he was out of control and had to be reined in, so for me he was put in a position were he was resigned. However. After the Lowe years and the Imbecile years of the Execs then going Wilde, what the Club needed was Singlemindedness to a point of Bloodymindedness. It worked. Luckily none of us will ever have the chance to stand next to him in a Gents Bathroom and give him a piece of our mind. Nor will we ever have to sit with the guy for a Dinner event. It worked. His time was done. He is as important a part of how we got (back) to this new Dawn as Rupert, Wigley, The Dutch idiots or Johno Quick & Nige. They all played a part. What matters now is the future. What matters now is Adam Luke and others staying long enough so that the NEXT generation of Stars from the Academy can come through and keep us being the next Green Bay Packers...... (Just to annoy Turks I bumped into Clattenberg in that situation on Saturday and am not proud of being so rude) Great post well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Clearly nudged.... The guy was trying to play championship manager with someone elses money and has made a right mess of it. All those that think he worked miracles, can probably now see how/why Where tf have you been since 2009?! How many other clubs have achieved what we have in that timespan? Cock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Ask not if you can let the training ground budget go spiraling up by £15m, double the original plan, but how. Ask not if you can deliver one of the (if not the) very worst shirt sponsorship commercial deals in the Premier League, but how. Ask not if you can cosy up to your chums in the Daily Mail and Sky Sports with pie-in-the-sky self aggrandisement, and then feed them destabilising doom-laden trash talk on the event of your departure, but how. Are you Fred Dineage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 What was his vision? Spend alot, buy good players, appoint good staff, use talent from youth team and progress through/up the leagues? hardly evolutionary is it. Just beyond most other clubs though....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Just beyond most other clubs though....? And we spent £150m in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 I don't know whether he walked or was pushed - what astounds me is the fact that those who didn't like aspects of his personality, his business traits etc let this blind them to what happened under his stewardship...are they really that bigoted? Can they really not see beyond their own personal dislike to appreciate that we stand 8th in the PL...just happened did it? Would have happened more cheaply under someone else would it? Of course the guy made mistakes that he's paid for by not having his job...whoever's choice that was but low does your IQ have to be to not be able to appreciate whose watch the turnaround in fortunes happened under!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 And we spent £150m in the process :McCinnes Shall I explain the concept of nett spend and investment or will you look it up for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Where tf have you been since 2009?! How many other clubs have achieved what we have in that timespan? Cock! Norwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 What was his vision? Spend alot, buy good players, appoint good staff, use talent from youth team and progress through/up the leagues? hardly evolutionary is it. I think you meant "revolutionary" but never mind. Yes, you're right. If that's what he did (and I think he did) it's a good strategy but not unknown in other organisations. It had just never been done at Saints in the previous forty years or so. It took NC to do it; that's the point. I have no strong feelings on the man one way or the other but the fact remains that he did what Askham, Lowe, Wilde and Crouch either couldn't or wouldn't do. Let's hope the new regime doesn't go back to the old ways of under-investment and poor planning. I don't think they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2014 Share Posted 31 March, 2014 Shall I explain the concept of nett spend and investment or will you look it up for yourself? It's a joke fella -hence the facepalm- a reference to a Glasgow mare on here. Not to worry - I guess we've stopped paying attention to those On the difference between gross and net spend, I've been attempting to educate small Fry and the tinpot salesmen for months -alas it still seems to have been in vain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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