Too impatient for success ?

[david in sweden]

In an SNS interview ..Arsenal's David Dein (said of Wenger) that he had been with the club for so long when the average League manager (today) is .....11 months (recent stats.)

At any level, especially at the top, it takes a lot of money to succeed, (and although a few clubs have owners willing to do that), we've seen it's no guarantee of success.

 

Nowadays, impatient owners, and a great many fans ...seem to be expecting the " quick fix " and are ready to sack managers after a poor /indifferent run of games.

In reality, very few clubs who spent " big money " ever succeed and some (Leeds and Pompey are prime examples).. implode and never regain whatever their " former glory " was.

 

Arsenal's debacle on Saturday, shows that Wenger hasn't yet succeeded in re-building a team to win things and next season will be his 10th without a trophy (unless they win the FA Cup).

but I maintain that doesn't make him a bad manager.

 

David Moyes was regarded as " a success " at Everton - even though his team(s) never won anything, but he's getting a big " reality check " at Old Trafford. He'll feel lucky to still be there in August.

 

Those of us with longer memories can recall the teenage Matt Le Tissier single-handedly humilated Man.Utd in a League Cup game .....and got their manager Ron Atkinson booted out 2 days later..and then landed us with Alex Ferguson .....for the next 26 seasons. Let's not forget that it took time for him to get Man U on the winning way, and everyone says he can never be compared;

 

why not let's try; Ferguson was appointed in 1986. The following season Man Utd finished 11th ..(Saints btw ....were 12th). Season after that they got to second place, but still finished 9 points behind ....Liverpool. In his third season ...11th again (Saints were 13th).

 

Ferguson didn't win his first trophy until the 1990 FA Cup and despite finishing 13th in the League. (NOTE; Saints finished 7th.) It took him time which managers are not allowed in today's game.

 

When Wenger eventually retires / is sacked) .....the longest-reigning manager in the Prem. will be ....ALAN PARDEW .. (who has an 8 year contract at Newcastle).

Start to compare English clubs with those in Europe, and we see foreign clubs who buy players for " funny money " fees will nearly always succeed, and those who don't quickly sack the manager.

 

The English (and perhaps) Saints' reality check is build slowly and properly, have patience and hope your best players aren't "the maverick type", or get career-threatening injuries...and Good Luck.

 

We've tried having 10 managers in 10 years ...and it didn't work then either.

Edited 24 March, 2014 by david in sweden

[stevy777_x]

What about Chelsea with their choping and changing?

[alpine_saint]

What about Chelsea with their choping and changing?

 

Indeed, its not as simple as the OP makes out.

 

The question for me is, is MoPo the type that can get 110% out of a player, consistently during and between games, despite some limited talent / lack of squad depth?

 

We will never compete with the big 6 on transfer fees and wages, we simply dont have the fan base.

 

If he is not, then it is not impatience. It is a recognition that MoPo has brought us as far as he can. And we need a management team more capable of tactical creativity and motivation of limited players.

 

Sorry, in this respect as much as I truly loathe him, it is hard to fault the sort of manager Saggy Chops used to be (hes over the hill now, imo).

[david in sweden]

What about Chelsea with their choping and changing?

 

(Aside from Man City), Chelsea has the best squad in depth in the Prem...and if they go further in CL..in Europe.

 

Mourinho can choose who he likes ..and still field a successful side ....and even afford to sell players like Sturridge and Mata.

[david in sweden]

Indeed, its not as simple as the OP makes out.

 

The question for me is, is MoPo the type that can get 110% out of a player, consistently during and between games, despite some limited talent / lack of squad depth?

 

We will never compete with the big 6 on transfer fees and wages, we simply dont have the fan base.

 

If he is not, then it is not impatience. It is a recognition that MoPo has brought us as far as he can. And we need a management team more capable of tactical creativity and motivation of limited players.

 

Sorry, in this respect as much as I truly loathe him, it is hard to fault the sort of manager Saggy Chops used to be (hes over the hill now, imo).

 

 

YES YES, but we are working with young talents just coming out of the U21/ U18 sides and stepping into the Prem. It'll take time.

I think MP is on the right track in trying to develop talented teenagers rather than trying to coach errors / problems out of " established mavericks " even if they do have international backgrounds already.

[DuncanRG]

What's happened at Southampton in the last few years is as close to instant success as you can get. Well done to all involved for achieving it.

 

 

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[Glasgow_Saint]

I dont think anyone is impatient, i just think some are stuck in the past and still think we have a league one side, while others have realised we have the best side in 20-30 years.

 

Its when you realise how good our side is (13-14 of our squad are wanted by the top sides) that you start to question the results. One win ALL season against the top 11 teams - not good enough, 6 wins in the last 22-23? games - not good enough

 

You can make excuses all day about injuries - but every club has injuries, we simply havent managed to get enough from our very talented team.

[alpine_saint]

I dont think anyone is impatient, i just think some are stuck in the past and still think we have a league one side, while others have realised we have the best side in 20-30 years.

 

Its when you realise how good our side is (13-14 of our squad are wanted by the top sides) that you start to question the results. One win ALL season against the top 11 teams - not good enough, 6 wins in the last 22-23? games - not good enough

 

You can make excuses all day about injuries - but every club has injuries, we simply havent managed to get enough from our very talented team.

 

If we hadnt wasted so much resources on Gashy and Osvaldo (and that money was really p*ssed away...), maybe there wouldnt be so much pressure on MoPo to get 110% from the rest of the players the whole time. But he hasnt managed well, nevertheless. How he allowed us to go off-the-boil yesterday was a disgrace.

 

We've not been well-managed on- and off-field this season....

[Glasgow_Saint]

If we hadnt wasted so much resources on Gashy and Osvaldo (and that money was really p*ssed away...), maybe there wouldnt be so much pressure on MoPo to get 110% from the rest of the players the whole time. But he hasnt managed well, nevertheless. How he allowed us to go off-the-boil yesterday was a disgrace.

 

We've not been well-managed on- and off-field this season....

 

 

Its funny as we could all see the Spurs winner coming yesterday - everyone it seems but Mopo who seemed to be slumped back in his chair (all game) sipping mineral water looking like he didn’t have a care in the world.

 

The normal apologists will now offer Stuart Pearce and Paolo Di Canio as replacements if we want a "passionate manager"

 

Not sure why Spurs would want him – Tim (never managed before) Sherwood has done him twice in a few weeks

[alpine_saint]

Its funny as we could all see the Spurs winner coming yesterday - everyone it seems but Mopo who seemed to be slumped back in his chair (all game) sipping mineral water looking like he didn’t have a care in the world.

 

Yeah, I am having real trouble understanding this, unless he is already gone in his head.

[bender]

It's clear to see we are a top side capable of mixing it with the best of them, but during games when the bigger teams come back at us, we dont quite have enough to keep up the performance until the end. That's why we always seem to do better against the lower teams. Something to address in the close season me thinks.

[Chewy]

Its funny as we could all see the Spurs winner coming yesterday - everyone it seems but Mopo who seemed to be slumped back in his chair (all game) sipping mineral water looking like he didn’t have a care in the world.

 

The normal apologists will now offer Stuart Pearce and Paolo Di Canio as replacements if we want a "passionate manager"

 

Not sure why Spurs would want him – Tim (never managed before) Sherwood has done him twice in a few weeks

 

Given the players at their respective disposal, this is hardly a fair comparison. Two years ago they were in the champions league, and we weren't in the premier league. To be at the point where we are disappointed to lose to them is quite an achievement. Well done to all at st Mary's.

[Patrick Bateman]

Can we set the boundaries and define what success means to a Saints fan?

 

Apart from the mid to late 90s when we were always seen as relegation fodder, we bumped around in the top flight around mid table, with a couple of really good years thrown in. Before that, we didn't have the 'history' of certain other clubs and slowly made our way up the leagues.

 

Having been nearly wiped out and then promoted twice, surviving last year and (hopefully!) finishing 9th or higher this year; I'd call that a successful few years.

 

Yes, I think most of us would love a Wembley appearance, but generally I think most of us would define success as exactly what we've seen over the last few years.

 

Next season is a different proposition again.

What is success in 14/15, for a Saints fan? Cup final appearance and cracking the top 6?

 

As a bunch of fans, I think most of us are fairly patient in all honesty. If we went back to changing managers almost every season like during the Lowe era, we could certainly not expect to finish top half of the prem. In my opinion.

[Wrensup]

I dont think anyone is impatient, i just think some are stuck in the past and still think we have a league one side, while others have realised we have the best side in 20-30 years.

 

Its when you realise how good our side is (13-14 of our squad are wanted by the top sides) that you start to question the results. One win ALL season against the top 11 teams - not good enough, 6 wins in the last 22-23? games - not good enough

 

You can make excuses all day about injuries - but every club has injuries, we simply havent managed to get enough from our very talented team.

 

Where do you expect us to be in the league?

[saint-crinny]

Given that we are likely to have over 50 points come the end of the season, i would say that from where we were last season, this has been pretty successful.

 

Personally, if we add another 10+ points on again next season, i think that will have been an even more impressive feat, given the quality of the team above us, which most on here seem to ignore when they reflect on where Saints "should" be at.

 

So for me, i'm happy with where have got to this season - there has been some disappointments for sure (FA Cup) - but let's take a reality check. We have a team of exciting young English talent and if we can keep it together for next season, we will naturally improve as they are going to go from strength to strength. We play great football a lot of the time and have got a team that we all really enjoy, personally more than any other in my 25-ish years of watching. Sometimes they will make errors, as they did yesterday, but they will learn from that and i trust, continue to improve.

 

We have a good young manager who has improved some of these players no end, not least our captain who is now one of the most exciting players in the division.

 

This is a really big summer in my opinion, we either progress by securing our key young players and invest in some further improvements, or we sell when the bids come in and inevitably start going backwards.

 

We have enjoyed a fantastic rise in fortunes in the past 5 years and that has made us all hungry for more progress.

 

But overall, I think we all need to be a little more patient, back the manager and the young rising stars, and if we maintain the current rate of improvement, that patience and backing is going to bring its rewards.

[buctootim]

I'm not sure Wenger is that good anymore. Very few people in any job are consistently at the top of their game for 25 years like Ferguson was. Most reach a peak and then slip into a free-wheeling comfort zone. Thats been Wenger for the past 5 years for me.

[capitalsaint]

everybody needs some fucking patience

[CB Fry]

What's happened at Southampton in the last few years is as close to instant success as you can get. Well done to all involved for achieving it.

 

 

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Absolutely.

 

One of the best things that Cortese did for us was to completely destroy the tiresome myth about how "chopping and changing doesn't work" and "there's no such thing as instant success".

 

Well yes there is: we chopped and changed and chopped and changed and look at the instant success we've had. Chelsea, as others have already said, are another perfect example.

 

From a managerial point of view, the general rule is you'll know within a year, or a full season whether it's going to work. If it isn't, get rid, because the chances of your man becoming the next Ferguson is tiny. Pointless clinging on to it.

Edited 24 March, 2014 by CB Fry

[Bearsy]

Where do you expect us to be in the league?

 

we're angar at the idea of finishing top 4 and we're angar at the reality of not finishing top 4! We're just angar!

[Window Cleaner]

To be honest I feel that we've spoilt the ship for the proverbial ha'porth of tar. We needed 2 players in January but did nothing,

with an expenditure of about 10 million we'd be significantly higher than we are today. I feel that perhaps our team will be distributed to the 4 winds next season and we'll not be anywhere near as good as we could have been this season.

[alpine_saint]

The more I think about it, the more I think "patience" is not the right word.

 

Nobody was expecting/demanding a top 5-6 finish in August. Most of us would consider 8th an OK (but not brilliant) return on the summer activity.

 

But the way we plummeted the first time we needed to apply ourselves instead of being flat-tack bullies against the crap at the bottom the table, and then the way we surrendered the FA Cup, was infuriating.

 

I tell my kids when they have school tests coming up that I dont care if they fail or get scraping passes, so long as they tried their best. I feel there are times this season when manager and team have switched off.

 

The table position reflects the club, and the management changes - SFC is at crossroads; do we build upon or throw away ? The summer is looking massive..

[Glasgow_Saint]

Where do you expect us to be in the league?

 

Team wise we are in a mini league with Man U, Everton and Newcastle.... so in the absence of a decent cup run id like to have seen us competing for 6th

 

I expected 6-9th place so as it stands we are bottom of my expectations

 

More than that, its our form since November that is a worry. Irrespective of league positions we have won just 5 or 6 of the last 22?

[Wrensup]

Team wise we are in a mini league with Man U, Everton and Newcastle.... so in the absence of a decent cup run id like to have seen us competing for 6th

 

I expected 6-9th place so as it stands we are bottom of my expectations

 

More than that, its our form since November that is a worry. Irrespective of league positions we have won just 5 or 6 of the last 22?

 

Right, why did you pick 22? Pretty much it's our recent form that's bothering you? Seeing as we had a win a lot part of the league then a not win a lot period, it's mopos fault for not spacing out the wins this season more evenly eh?

 

You say we're in a mini league with Everton Newcastle and Man U. We've got all these to play at home still. And even though you're moaning Saints are actually falling into your exceptions withilout the season even being over.

[Ewell]

Can we set the boundaries and define what success means to a Saints fan?

 

Apart from the mid to late 90s when we were always seen as relegation fodder, we bumped around in the top flight around mid table, with a couple of really good years thrown in. Before that, we didn't have the 'history' of certain other clubs and slowly made our way up the leagues.

 

Having been nearly wiped out and then promoted twice, surviving last year and (hopefully!) finishing 9th or higher this year; I'd call that a successful few years.

 

Yes, I think most of us would love a Wembley appearance, but generally I think most of us would define success as exactly what we've seen over the last few years.

 

Next season is a different proposition again.

What is success in 14/15, for a Saints fan? Cup final appearance and cracking the top 6?

 

As a bunch of fans, I think most of us are fairly patient in all honesty. If we went back to changing managers almost every season like during the Lowe era, we could certainly not expect to finish top half of the prem. In my opinion.

 

I totally agree with this.

 

All I will add to this is that with the growth of forums and social media they only seem to highlight the fans with extreme views one way or the other. Most Saints fans I know are very happy with how things are going and don't over react to a victory or defeat but judge us on how we do over the entire season. As far as I am concerned that is the way it should be.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Right, why did you pick 22? Pretty much it's our recent form that's bothering you? Seeing as we had a win a lot part of the league then a not win a lot period, it's mopos fault for not spacing out the wins this season more evenly eh?

 

You say we're in a mini league with Everton Newcastle and Man U. We've got all these to play at home still. And even though you're moaning Saints are actually falling into your exceptions withilout the season even being over.

 

The season seems to be split into two - Part 1) a fantastic start that we discussed and all acknowledged around the time and now part 2) which is not so good, imho below expectations and worrying.

 

Given the talent we have I expected 6-9th so yes we are within the boundaries of expectations so on one hand im please, but on the other disappointed.

 

Praise when you can (as I do) but don’t shy away from questioning why things have gone wrong - how else do you learn?

 

You’re right the season is not over - we could finish 6th and that would be fantastic.............. but we wont.

 

My issue is that nobody knows what will happen in the summer – we may keep all our best players and we may even add one or two, however we may lose quite a few and replace with average players or young players that need a year or two to settle (ala Ramirez)

 

I don’t want to look back at the best team we’ve had in years and only have 9th place to show for it…… that would be a complete waste.

[SaintAndyB]

The premiership isn't like the championship or league one.

 

You have 5 teams that always will be bigger than us along with spurs, everton and newcastle. United will rise again.

 

Yes, we are in a mini league but we've only just been promoted into it if you like.

 

Some fans fell so easily for all of Cortese's 'propaganda' and now still believe we should be in the cl. We need to get more depth before we go for that.

[Barry Sanchez]

If we have as amazing players as some are saying they will go, thats obvious, the only way to keep them is to win things and buy top top quality additions to strengthen, I dont believe that will happen, so the ceiling has been reached, this is it, the end of the line, we shall sell and obviously weaken so therefore 9th it is.

[Barry Sanchez]

You might as well fck off then. No point hanging around when it's all set in stone. Do something else mate.

 

Why? It does not bother me where we are as long as we are honest and transparent, are we? Delusion abounds as always.

[trousers]

@DejanLovren05: RT @GNev2: Probably the team I've been surprised by and enjoyed watching the most this season- Southampton

[Toadhall Saint]

@DejanLovren05: RT @GNev2: Probably the team I've been surprised by and enjoyed watching the most this season- Southampton

 

Sorry trousers I don't do twitter who said what to who?

[trousers]

Sorry trousers I don't do twitter who said what to who?

 

Original tweet by Gary Neville, re-tweeted by Lovren

[Toadhall Saint]

Original tweet by Gary Neville, re-tweeted by Lovren

 

Cheers - sounds good enough for me.

[rshephard3]

4 years ago this midweek, we scraped past Hartlepool 3-2 at SMS in front of 18,000. It defies belief that anyone but an absolute jester can have anything negative whatsoever to say about Southampton FC right now.

Edited 24 March, 2014 by rshephard3

[trousers]

4 years ago this midweek, we scraped past Hartlepool 3-2 at SMS in front of 18,000. It defies belief that anyone but an absolute jester can have anything negative whatsoever to say about Southampton FC right now.

 

You do realise its against Saints Web Forum rules to reflect upon where we were in the recent past don't you?

[DuncanRG]

We wouldn't recognise the talent in our squad without the coaching staff who have helped the players make the most of themselves.

 

 

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[Goatboy]

Given that we are likely to have over 50 points come the end of the season, i would say that from where we were last season, this has been pretty successful.

 

Personally, if we add another 10+ points on again next season, i think that will have been an even more impressive feat, given the quality of the team above us, which most on here seem to ignore when they reflect on where Saints "should" be at.

 

So for me, i'm happy with where have got to this season - there has been some disappointments for sure (FA Cup) - but let's take a reality check. We have a team of exciting young English talent and if we can keep it together for next season, we will naturally improve as they are going to go from strength to strength. We play great football a lot of the time and have got a team that we all really enjoy, personally more than any other in my 25-ish years of watching. Sometimes they will make errors, as they did yesterday, but they will learn from that and i trust, continue to improve.

 

We have a good young manager who has improved some of these players no end, not least our captain who is now one of the most exciting players in the division.

 

This is a really big summer in my opinion, we either progress by securing our key young players and invest in some further improvements, or we sell when the bids come in and inevitably start going backwards.

 

We have enjoyed a fantastic rise in fortunes in the past 5 years and that has made us all hungry for more progress.

 

But overall, I think we all need to be a little more patient, back the manager and the young rising stars, and if we maintain the current rate of improvement, that patience and backing is going to bring its rewards.

 

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[Goatboy]

I totally agree with this.

 

All I will add to this is that with the growth of forums and social media they only seem to highlight the fans with extreme views one way or the other. Most Saints fans I know are very happy with how things are going and don't over react to a victory or defeat but judge us on how we do over the entire season. As far as I am concerned that is the way it should be.

 

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[dronskisaint]

I think there's a conlfict of models going on that we don't actually fit in to - ours is pretty much unique in the PL although I'm open to other points of view.

 

To expand on this...let's start with Saints fans expectations...my watching experience over 50 years has taken in the FA Cup win, the runners up in Division 1 plus all that's been in between high and low so what should my expectation be? I'm, number one, grateful to have a club...given how close we appeared to come and seeing the fish-fondlers down the road reinforces that so all up from that is a plus...my expectation then is for constant improvement based on what our management, budget and liquidity will allow...I'm also a realist who realises that there are only two domestic cups to win, one league title and 6 European places.

 

So - to our model. I don't think anyone has ever set out from L1 to get in to the PL basing the progress on largely home grown and sustainable financing. You could argue that the £30million transfer of cash to shares made our purchase price 40-50 million but that bought a club that on the gates we get and our progression to the Premier pot is ultimately profitable..we generate our own stream of players coming through thus reaping the investment made way back whilst further investing in becoming and remaining the primary source for our own and England's young talent...has anyone else done this with a club of our size (gate, catchment area, history etc?) in the modern era? I think not but correct me by all means - so - five years down the line to be competing in GS' mini league with Everton, Spuds and Utd could be deemed to be punching well above our weight BUT - we still have to finish above them to have a chance to get in to Europe. Count the home-produced players in the 8 clubs above us...as well as the 83 below - our model cannot be compared with many.

 

So, our model is different -to carry the experiment on the perfect scenario would be that we keep these players that have grown together within a playing system managed by a coach who is constantly motivating them to improve on the talent they posess and whilst you can draw comparisons with the Chelsea and Lowe era it isn't really a valid one...the coach who,can no longer drive, motivate or teach anything new to a team is, by definition, redundant and you look to the next level. I give you NA who I will have eternal gratitude to for the job he did being replaced by an inspired, in my opinion, choice of someone who has/is taken us up a level but can he be a Ferguson in terms of duration and success? Maybe but statistics render it unlikely. I hope he can deliver more improvement from existing and newly-introduced players be they bought of nurtured, I hope that if he can't that the Board will make as good a progression choice as did Cortese.

 

Will we be Barcelona in model or Real...both involve spending but I know which one I'd most like to be compared with - and we start from a gate that is a third of either and a history much less illustrious - I hope we can be patient. Right now I feel that my patience, my faith, my belief and yes, my affliction in being a Saints fan (it's not a choice) is being richly rewarded.

 

Thanks to all at St Mary's :-)

[Secret Site Agent]

Why? It does not bother me where we are as long as we are honest and transparent, are we? Delusion abounds as always.

 

Seriously, what the hell are you on about? it doesn't bother you, but 9th isn't good enough? And whose honest and transparent? The OP? The last Poster? The club?

 

What is it you want? and how do you see yourself adding to the debate?

 

Are you saying that Lallana is still here because we won the Johnsons paint trophy? Or that if we don't win anything the players wil go? What? Clarify yourself man, or but out of the conversation.

 

 

Me, i'm happy where we are, much improvement year on year. I would like to think we could get Ossie back, or a replacement that can add that etra something up front, but we are getting better and that is all we can ask.

I remember taking my little girl to her first game on 25 Apr 2009, to see us draw with Burnley at home. I told my wife I was taking her to see Saints as it may be the last time we see them, as they may be gone. 5 years later we are playing in the Premiership again. If history taught us anything it that it could be worse.

[ottery st mary]

The mighty Saints......Onwards and upwards.

 

Forever in my heart.

 

Roll on Saturday.......hopefully another 3 points.

 

COYS

 

Happy Clappers club member number 472.

 

 

OWTSGMI:D

[Barry Sanchez]

Ferguson had success with Aberdeen as well before so they knew it could be done, compared to Liverpool and United Arsenal are small time on the Worldwide stage, that will continue as long as there attitude is they have a lovely stadium and nothng else matters.

[Alanh]

What does success look like for me next season?

 

More points gained than this season - don't mind if it's 1 or 10 more really.

Losing no more than one player (who we would rather keep) from the current squad.

Seeing similar levels of transfer investment in the squad as in the last two summers.

No team doing the double over us.

See us continue to play the style of football that we have been playing either under MP or another manager.

 

A cup final would be fantastic but realistically there are only two finals to get to each season so success in them is always more of a lottery than something you can plan for.

[Barry Sanchez]

Success for me would be we go into every game with our strongest XI with the intention of winning something, not slighting a game and fully respecting traditions and fans.

[Bearsy]

Success for me would be we go into every game with our strongest XI with the intention of winning something, not slighting a game and fully respecting traditions and fans.

 

portsmouth having successful season by that measure

[Barry Sanchez]

portsmouth having successful season by that measure

 

With a huge lack of quality but yes by that measure if its true.

[Alanh]

Success for me would be we go into every game with our strongest XI with the intention of winning something, not slighting a game and fully respecting traditions and fans.

That's a simplistic and naïve idea IMO. There's no such thing as a strongest 11. It's a squad game and the manager picks a team / formation / strategy to win a match. If that means giving match time to a youth team player to give him experience then that should reap dividends in the future. I don't think we have gone into any game this season without the intention of winning it. I know that you will cite the Sunderland cup games but I believe we put out a strong enough team on each occasion to at least draw each match.

[Goatboy]

Success for me would be we go into every game with our strongest XI with the intention of winning something, not slighting a game and fully respecting traditions and fans.

 

What utter waffle.

[Barry Sanchez]

That's a simplistic and naïve idea IMO. There's no such thing as a strongest 11. It's a squad game and the manager picks a team / formation / strategy to win a match. If that means giving match time to a youth team player to give him experience then that should reap dividends in the future. I don't think we have gone into any game this season without the intention of winning it. I know that you will cite the Sunderland cup games but I believe we put out a strong enough team on each occasion to at least draw each match.

 

Why dont we give youth all the game time now? That would be invaluable surely?

[Barry Sanchez]

You're talking to a man stuck long, long in the past on just about every topic. Sadly one who won't learn however reasonable and clear your explanation.

 

Even more sadly one who appears to be the last poster on every thread I want to read whenever I come on here.

 

Put me on ignore then, problem solved.