Saint 76er Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 .... That is the question. Look, I know this comes in the aftermath of possibly our most disappointing loss this season but this game encapsulated what you get and what you don't get with Pochettino. Frankly, it has made me wonder if our new ownership structure will be quite as enamored with him as most of us have been. Clearly, he will never defend a lead but seeks to keep pressing forward in search of more goals which is admirable, but often suicidal in this league. When Spurs pressed us in the second half today we lost all shape and neither defended in depth or attacked them back. Our football this year has been lovely to watch but we are front runners and always vulnerable at the back and we have paid the price far too often this year. Of late both Pochettino and some senior players have appeared to be angling for a new contract to be offered, but none is yet forthcoming. It may, of course, be almost ready for signing but just maybe the new people might be considering an upgrade of manager if they think we cannot progress further as we are. Pochettino has taken us a long way in a shortish time but results don't really match our dominance in most matches and this pattern has been prevalent from day one. Some great results, yes, but too many losses when we should have won and those watching us with fresh eyes may wonder if a more experienced manager could achieve more, in terms of results. Cortese, never slow to pull the trigger, may well have thought so too, if he were still around! No doubt, Monday morning will cure me of these doubts because it has been a great time under Pochettino, as it was with Adkins, but performances like today will give RK and his board something to think about at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 .... That is the question. Look, I know this comes in the aftermath of possibly our most disappointing loss this season but this game encapsulated what you get and what you don't get with Pochettino. Frankly, it has made me wonder if our new ownership structure will be quite as enamored with him as most of us have been. Clearly, he will never defend a lead but seeks to keep pressing forward in search of more goals which is admirable, but often suicidal in this league. When Spurs pressed us in the second half today we lost all shape and neither defended in depth or attacked them back. Our football this year has been lovely to watch but we are front runners and always vulnerable at the back and we have paid the price far too often this year. Of late both Pochettino and some senior players have appeared to be angling for a new contract to be offered, but none is yet forthcoming. It may, of course, be almost ready for signing but just maybe the new people might be considering an upgrade of manager if they think we cannot progress further as we are. Pochettino has taken us a long way in a shortish time but results don't really match our dominance in most matches and this pattern has been prevalent from day one. Some great results, yes, but too many losses when we should have won and those watching us with fresh eyes may wonder if a more experienced manager could achieve more, in terms of results. Cortese, never slow to pull the trigger, may well have thought so too, if he were still around! No doubt, Monday morning will cure me of these doubts because it has been a great time under Pochettino, as it was with Adkins, but performances like today will give RK and his board something to think about at least. We weren't pressing for more goals, we just can't defend correctly that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nothing to consider. He is doing a great job and has improved some of our players immeasurably. If he goes at the end of the season it will be our loss and anyone who can't see that IMO is clueless. We are where we deserve to be. We dont have players as good as those above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He's got to stay. I don't think we could be doing much better with our current squad. He's got us playing aggressively and the players have a lot of belief. He's integrated young players as well. Would be a set-back if he left in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Looks like Glasgow Saint has a new username. This is not our most disappointing result of the season. Mopo is crucial to our development and wanting him gone is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Yeah 9th in the Prem - rubbish eh? And of course the seasons over now we've lost a game. And of course every mistake made by a Saints player is Mopo's fault. Yeah, get rid of him...we did SO much better last time we were in the Prem when we were changing Manager every five minutes. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Great manager. Might have a Plan B in place if we have a deeper squad with the required types of players. We have had a great season. Finishing 9th would be a superb achievement in my book. Then look forward to more improvement next season. I'd give him a 5 year deal tomorrow if it was up to me. Only real problem I have with him is the still speaking Spanish in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He's terrific. Don't crap your pants. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We'll be a better team next season (if we keep the squad intact) , haven't we still got the second youngest team in the league or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 23 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Plenty of good points being made already and it is clear so far that Poch retains the fans support on this board. Of course, we all thought that about Pardew and Adkins and look what happened there, so I was really just wondering how our new ownership may view things going forward. This is a big decision for them as they need to tie up Poch quickly or spend up big, most probably, to bring in someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 The thing is we are where we are because we have about the 8th/9th best squad in the league. 'MoPo' is doing a decent enough job . Would another manager with our squad finish any higher than say, 8th? Unlikely I would think.The thing is, what are people's expectations? It seems like a lot of posters on here find it hard to understand that even with the side we have, we are going to lose a fair few games over a season. The problem is so many people expect too much, I'm realistic about what we can achieve. I'm ****ed off about what happened today, but it's not the end of the world, we're used to this sort of thing. A managerial change simply isn't necessary, nor is it likely to change our fortunes a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Pochettino is a great manager. It isn't his fault that we make individual errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nothing to consider. He is doing a great job and has improved some of our players immeasurably. If he goes at the end of the season it will be our loss and anyone who can't see that IMO is clueless. We are where we deserve to be. We dont have players as good as those above us. What a fantastic post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Pochettino is a great manager. It isn't his fault that we make individual errors. but we'll probably need better players to be able to keep him here. Good managers don't tolerate bad players, especially when they've no choice but to keep on playing them. Our squad strength is the one handicap to keeping Mauricio I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Why anyone would conciser or question his position is beyond me. For me, him staying is key to our long-term goals. If he goes, we become another Villa. Selling the top England boys, not replacing them and plodding along. Keeping MP would show ambition and intent, I'd love to know who could do a better job. We're very, very lucky to have him. Some people are getting a little carried away with this season, possibly the same lot who thought we were title contenders back in October? The majority of us knew we were a good side, but we didn't have the depth to sustain any challenge with the 'big 6' in this league - and that has proven correct. The fact that we've stayed nip and tuck with them all season is credit to the management and the way we play. Sure, some games have been frustrating, we've dropped a lot of points and have some disastrous results - but that's in isolation. If you look at the season as a whole it's been one of progression, ambition and excitement. MP is one of the key components to that, we will miss him and rue the day when he leaves. He's being linked to Madrid, PSG, Monaco and Spurs, but apparently not good enough for us. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Him staying (and i believe he is) will be as good as any signing we could make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Him staying (and i believe he is) will be as good as any signing we could make Well not really, we need better players at least in reserve if we want to push on next season. Just keeping MP won't be enough if we still have the same wafer thin squad, we need to accept that some of our academy players need another 3 or 4 years in reserve roles and buy the players we need now to replace them, same as about every other PL club in the land. When you look at teams like Stoke (I know I know it's not pretty) but they are hard side turning out results their youngest first team regular is 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Well not really, we need better players at least in reserve if we want to push on next season. Just keeping MP won't be enough if we still have the same wafer thin squad, we need to accept that some of our academy players need another 3 or 4 years in reserve roles and buy the players we need now to replace them, same as about every other PL club in the land. When you look at teams like Stoke (I know I know it's not pretty) but they are hard side turning out results their youngest first team regular is 24. Sorry i could have made it more clear, we need some signings as well but his staying will be just as important for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 but we'll probably need better players to be able to keep him here. Good managers don't tolerate bad players, especially when they've no choice but to keep on playing them. Our squad strength is the one handicap to keeping Mauricio I think. We have great players and nobody knows that better than Pochettino. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 MoPo is a very good coach but makes a lot of mistakes as manager. Sometimes his substitutions are very difficult to understand. Also, I do wonder about his motivational capabilities - what did he say to them at half-time today I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We have great players and nobody knows that better than Pochettino. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We have great players yes but we also have inadequate players in cover roles for them and no manager will accept that for ever, certainly not one with ambition. Our first team squad contains at least 4 players who have no right to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 MoPo is a very good coach but makes a lot of mistakes as manager. Sometimes his substitutions are very difficult to understand. Also, I do wonder about his motivational capabilities - what did he say to them at half-time today I wonder? What about his subs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafiboy27 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nothing to consider. He is doing a great job and has improved some of our players immeasurably. If he goes at the end of the season it will be our loss and anyone who can't see that IMO is clueless. We are where we deserve to be. We dont have players as good as those above us. Good post and we've been somewhat unlucky with injuries and poor refereeing as well. It wouldn't have had the same impact if Fonte and Davies had been injured instead of Lovren and Wanyama imo. And also if Bourc had stayed fit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nothing to consider. He is doing a great job and has improved some of our players immeasurably. If he goes at the end of the season it will be our loss and anyone who can't see that IMO is clueless. We are where we deserve to be. We dont have players as good as those above us. This - the Osvaldo fiasco was a blow as we are struggling for senior players who, at places like WHL, can step up to the plate. MP is a good manager who is still learning. A new contract will enable us to start planning for the new season now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 i suppose my big fear is that our new Chairman saying we aim to fulfill our potential, because I feel on the pitch we have nearly done that without a massive cash injection to improve the squad, which i do not think is coming, not sure how much higher we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 This - the Osvaldo fiasco was a blow as we are struggling for senior players who, at places like WHL, can step up to the plate. MP is a good manager who is still learning. A new contract will enable us to start planning for the new season now.goodpost Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 i suppose my big fear is that our new Chairman saying we aim to fulfill our potential' date=' because I feel on the pitch we have nearly done that without a massive cash injection to improve the squad, which i do not think is coming, not sure how much higher we can get.[/quote'] Yep, my fears as well. If anything, money has to be spent simply to maintain what we have achieved given others spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 This - the Osvaldo fiasco was a blow as we are struggling for senior players who, at places like WHL, can step up to the plate. MP is a good manager who is still learning. A new contract will enable us to start planning for the new season now. Good shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 The thing is we are where we are because we have about the 8th/9th best squad in the league. 'MoPo' is doing a decent enough job . Would another manager with our squad finish any higher than say, 8th? Unlikely I would think.The thing is, what are people's expectations? It seems like a lot of posters on here find it hard to understand that even with the side we have, we are going to lose a fair few games over a season. The problem is so many people expect too much, I'm realistic about what we can achieve. I'm ****ed off about what happened today, but it's not the end of the world, we're used to this sort of thing. A managerial change simply isn't necessary, nor is it likely to change our fortunes a lot I'm generally agree, and think most fans will. This board isn't representative. The ones that moan about every loss ever are the same ones that tell us constantly that all the layers are crap, and that ther is no chance of us ever being any higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He's a good manager but needs to temper his preference for playing a certain way with some pragmatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He's a good manager but needs to temper his preference for playing a certain way with some pragmatism. Like a lot of good managers he can be stubborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nothing to consider. He is doing a great job and has improved some of our players immeasurably. If he goes at the end of the season it will be our loss and anyone who can't see that IMO is clueless. We are where we deserve to be. We dont have players as good as those above us. This - the Osvaldo fiasco was a blow as we are struggling for senior players who, at places like WHL, can step up to the plate. MP is a good manager who is still learning. A new contract will enable us to start planning for the new season now. Agree with both of this, very good posts. We have a young squad and a relatively young manager. We all knew Osvaldo was a risk. Clearly an immensely talented player, but obviously has some issues. I can see why MP took the chance on him, as they had had a productive spell working together previously, which resulted in a big move for Osvaldo. He was actually pretty productive at Roma, for all his indiscretions. A player of his talent probably wouldn't have come to Saints if: A) MP wasn't here. B) He didn't come with his issues. I like MP, I like his style and his dedication to it. Yes, sometimes it comes undone, but all teams lose at times - what do people really expect? I honestly do not think there is a better option out there for us right now. With the facilities and youth set up we have, having a manager brave enough to utilise that talent is ideal. I loved that against Arsenal, with Rickie out he put faith in Gallagher. A lot of managers would not have done that. And just to be a complete clapper, I even like he speaks in Spanish - just because it seems to annoy people. He clearly gets his point across to the players, so what if he doesn't speak to the press? Bad results happen, and yes, they are of course disappointing. Losing from 2-0 up feels crap. But disappointing results in an otherwise good season, in which our style, set up, players and staff have been lauded doesn't make the manager poor. Making judgements based on isolated bad results/performances is silly. It's heart over head, which is never wise. The grass ain't always greener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Schneiderlin & Wanyama are clearly much better than Cork and JWP. A 3-2 defeat, away, to team as high as spurs, with both first choice CM out is hardly a disgrace! Surely even a fool can see he is an excellent manager for us? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We have great players yes but we also have inadequate players in cover roles for them and no manager will accept that for ever, certainly not one with ambition. Our first team squad contains at least 4 players who have no right to be there. It's a real shame clubs can't buy or sell players. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Schneiderlin & Wanyama are clearly much better than Cork and JWP. A 3-2 defeat, away, to team as high as spurs, with both first choice CM out is hardly a disgrace! Surely even a fool can see he is an excellent manager for us? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk I didn't see the game, but reading the match and reaction thread consensus seemed to be we were over run in CM. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 At last a solid thread about football matters, some good objective posts here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Mopo is the man for me without a doubt. Most forward thinking manager around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Best manager since Strachan, which is 68 managers ago, so its a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Schneiderlin & Wanyama are clearly much better than Cork and JWP. A 3-2 defeat, away, to team as high as spurs, with both first choice CM out is hardly a disgrace! Surely even a fool can see he is an excellent manager for us? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Don't know if you saw the game but think your view a tad harsh on Cork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Don't know if you saw the game but think your view a tad harsh on Cork No, didn't see today - was reliant on Solent so reluctant to be specific about today (they were saying Cork giving away possession but to be fair they don't always get right player!) More a comment on how we play as team (personal view home games only this season). We seem a better structured, more organised and effective team with fit VW and MS. Cork has done well once he got settled in but we certainly miss them. Cork seems to play into trouble/ leave space more. More than happy to have him in the side - but needs one of others with him Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nothing to consider. He is doing a great job and has improved some of our players immeasurably. If he goes at the end of the season it will be our loss and anyone who can't see that IMO is clueless. We are where we deserve to be. We dont have players as good as those above us. Why anyone would conciser or question his position is beyond me. For me, him staying is key to our long-term goals. If he goes, we become another Villa. Selling the top England boys, not replacing them and plodding along. Keeping MP would show ambition and intent, I'd love to know who could do a better job. We're very, very lucky to have him. Some people are getting a little carried away with this season, possibly the same lot who thought we were title contenders back in October? The majority of us knew we were a good side, but we didn't have the depth to sustain any challenge with the 'big 6' in this league - and that has proven correct. The fact that we've stayed nip and tuck with them all season is credit to the management and the way we play. Sure, some games have been frustrating, we've dropped a lot of points and have some disastrous results - but that's in isolation. If you look at the season as a whole it's been one of progression, ambition and excitement. MP is one of the key components to that, we will miss him and rue the day when he leaves. He's being linked to Madrid, PSG, Monaco and Spurs, but apparently not good enough for us. Go figure. If the last few years have shown me anything making predictions about what happens when important people leave the club is a bit pointless. I thought we were ****ed when Pardew left, I thought Nigel being sacked was madness, Many thought NC leaving was the end of the club. yet none of those departures were actually that bad and mostly lead to better things. I think MP has done a great job but I'm not yet convinced he wants to stay, and frankly if any of the teams he has been linked with come for him I suspect he drop us like a hot brick, I also haven't lost faith in the club that they can find another good manager if he decides to go. MP leaving doesn't automatically mean all our players leaving or the end of the club doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 No, didn't see today - was reliant on Solent so reluctant to be specific about today (they were saying Cork giving away possession but to be fair they don't always get right player!) More a comment on how we play as team (personal view home games only this season). We seem a better structured, more organised and effective team with fit VW and MS. Cork has done well once he got settled in but we certainly miss them. Cork seems to play into trouble/ leave space more. More than happy to have him in the side - but needs one of others with him Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkCork is a silky player but he and JWP were outmuscled by the bigger and stronger Spurs midfield. Wanyama is the type of big midfielder who bosses the opposition to allow the more attacking midfielders do their job. Sadly we have a lot of fans who knock him and don't realise that he is a very important cog in the side and Cork has to play second fiddle to him when VW is fully fit again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 He's got to stay. I don't think we could be doing much better with our current squad. He's got us playing aggressively and the players have a lot of belief. He's integrated young players as well. Would be a set-back if he left in my opinion. Yes, we saw that in the 2nd half yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Cork is a silky player but he and JWP were outmuscled by the bigger and stronger Spurs midfield. Wanyama is the type of big midfielder who bosses the opposition to allow the more attacking midfielders do their job. Sadly we have a lot of fans who knock him and don't realise that he is a very important cog in the side and Cork has to play second fiddle to him when VW is fully fit again Cork with VW, or Cork with MS is fine and no issue. All 3 are first choice in that role. When 2 are injured we are less effective, no matter which one of them is left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Yes, we saw that in the 2nd half yesterday. What about the first half? Or is that going to be conveniently ignored to support a negative narrative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Our best ever premier league finish is 8th, and we will finish the season in either 8th or 9th. Why is this even a discussion item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 What about the first half? Or is that going to be conveniently ignored to support a negative narrative? Games consist of 2 halves of 45mins each. Over the 90mins we were the second-best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Our best ever premier league finish is 8th, and we will finish the season in either 8th or 9th. Why is this even a discussion item? Because we've squandered our best chance since Hoddle quit for a much higher finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Our best ever premier league finish is 8th, and we will finish the season in either 8th or 9th. Why is this even a discussion item? Look at our squad now vs the squad under WGS. Plus WGS gave us an FA Cup final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Look at our squad now vs the squad under WGS. Plus WGS gave us an FA Cup final Look at everyone else's squad in the league and compare. Ten years of sky money means the teams are all full of better talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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