Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Pochettino referred to the "long term project" in his post match quotes. Do we know what this is? Under Cortese it was fairly clear what his ambitions were but have they changed? Serious question btw, and related to his comment rather than today's game specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Europe and half the team from our Academy is what I assume it is. Doesn't feel like we're too far away if (and it is a big if) the kids continue to get better and we keep hold of them. Second bit far harder than the first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Europe and half the team from our Academy is what I assume it is. Doesn't feel like we're too far away if (and it is a big if) the kids continue to get better and we keep hold of them. Second bit far harder than the first! Thats what it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Thats what it was. Well the five year project was back in the Premier League. The new one was Europe with half the team from the Academy. If that has been superseded I've no idea what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 (edited) Yep, as I see it "the project" is all about creating a predominantly 'home grown' squad that can compete with the teams in the upper 3rd of the premier league. Three years after being in league 1 I would say that "the project" is very much on track. Edited 23 March, 2014 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Yep, as I see it "the project" is all about creating a predominantly 'home grown' squad that compete with the teams in the upper 3rd of the premier league. Three years after being in league 1 I would say that "the project" is very much on track. But how do RK and KL see it? We know there is an emphasis on homegrown players of course but as far as league placings etc go, there isnt anything concrete at all. Spurs are an upper third PL team but MP was suggsting we are not playing for the same prizes as they are. I can't imagine himnsaying that under Cortese (more that they were direct competition). Perhaps ambitions have been reigned in somewhat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I'd liked to think it would be at least be being considered on the same level as Spurs and Everton. It annoys me when you see Pundits saying all our players and manager are going to leave for bigger(richer) clubs and that. I want us to be in the position where we're not just plucky little old Southampton but a club that has respect and not have our entire first team linked with moves away because we're considered not 'big' enough to be allowed to have good players if you know what I mean? It annoys me how its not sport any more, as a club shows promise their players are poached away from them and I don't want that happening to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 But how do RK and KL see it? We know there is an emphasis on homegrown players of course but as far as league placings etc go, there isnt anything concrete at all. Spurs are an upper third PL team but MP was suggsting we are not playing for the same prizes as they are. I can't imagine himnsaying that under Cortese (more that they were direct competition). Perhaps ambitions have been reigned in somewhat? Maybe. Maybe not. I guess we'll know the answer by August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 The summer will provide the answers. If the plan is to achieve European football with academy players, then we can't be selling our best ones. Pretty simple really, I'd have thought. All speculation up until the summer though really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 But how do RK and KL see it? We know there is an emphasis on homegrown players of course but as far as league placings etc go, there isnt anything concrete at all. Spurs are an upper third PL team but MP was suggsting we are not playing for the same prizes as they are. I can't imagine himnsaying that under Cortese (more that they were direct competition). Perhaps ambitions have been reigned in somewhat? Quite honestly we don't know yet, the summer I guess will show us. My gut feeling is we've moved away from NCs , frankly extremely unlikely champions league dreams, to a more sustainable steady mid table side built on academy products. We are a decent side but we are so far off the top sides that we would need ridiculous money spent on us to get even near the CL. Look at how much spurs spent last summer their strength in depth is miles ahead of us and yet they're not even a CL team and aren't even that good a Europa league team. Their has been mention by KL and RK of being a self sustainable club that really doesn't tally with pushing to be a top PL team or a CL team. Youth and decent purchases to keep us a well run mid-table are were I think were heading and TBH we should be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 To stay in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 To stay in the Premier League. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Pochettino referred to the "long term project" in his post match quotes. Do we know what this is? Under Cortese it was fairly clear what his ambitions were but have they changed? Serious question btw, and related to his comment rather than today's game specifically. firstly he has to be seen as our long term answer for the managerial post. As soon as he signs a new contract (assuming he does) we'll be expecting to see a couple of v. good signings in the summer. Long-er term, we need another striker. We all want RL to carry on forever, when in fact his future is likely to be a place on the bench with a new striker taking his place. (not Osvaldo)...Sam G isnt there yet. Both Fonte and Hooiveld are 30-ish and we need a new partner for Lovren AND some good back-ups in defence. Aside from today's result, the start side looks good on paper, but the bench is very poor. No manager (except perhaps Mourinho) is going to start next season promising to win the title, so unless MP (if still here) gets another whirlwind start, he'd be stupid to start predicting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 What exactly was NC's "project"? What is the "project" at most clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think long term, Spurs, Newcastle and Everton are the kind of teams we should aim to be competing with. We will never have the support to compete with the top 4 and Man Utd long term but I'd say top 6 is a reasonable goal. I just hope we can hang on to the players we've got now because in 5 years they (minus Boruc, Lambert and Fonte) will make a seriously good team. The long term project has to be a couple of sensible signings each summer to cover the areas we are weak and have no immediate academy prospects. I would hope for more summers like last, only without players like Osvaldo. I was amazed we had pulled that off but it still seemed like a weird signing. Expect more Lovrens and JRods hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 At a guess, I would say its to settle into the same mid-table - to - lower third mediocrity whilst fleecing the fans, that we had under Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 (edited) What exactly was NC's "project"? What is the "project" at most clubs? NC was out to succeed without spending big bucks in L1. Cortese (along with many others) thought £1 million was a lot to spend on Rickie Lambert in 2009. Pardew saw it as an investment. Pochettino was employed because he had a proven record of developing young talented players. Incidentally, I think he would struggle if managing a team of " big name players " because of that reason. However, (this project) ....is a recurring phrase in almost every Pochettino interviews, and I thought it an odd choice of phrasing, too. It is ...a project or experiment ...to build a team from teenage talents,and we have a few (thank goodness), but it didn't work out so well when we had our " Double Dutch " pair in charge 2007-8. NOTE: My Spanish is not so hot, but I'm assuming that the translator hasn't chosen the best synonym when translating MPs comments. Edited 24 March, 2014 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Listening to Ralph Krueger the objective is to challenge the big boys, that is why je wants to develop the club comercialy. However he refused to set targets sporting wise, so I suppose only Time Will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifter Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 In the new spirit of open communication with the fans, I sent this: @SouthamptonFC Can someone tell the fans what our football targets are over the next 3 years? Is European football an objective or a hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Listening to Ralph Krueger the objective is to challenge the big boys, that is why je wants to develop the club comercialy. However he refused to set targets sporting wise, so I suppose only Time Will tell. You have to assume that challenging the "big boys" means achieving sporting success. We're not going to enrol millions of armchair fans to buy merchandise or sponsors to give us tens of millions by being 15th in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndyB Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Our short term has to be to hold on to players. The long term goal is Europe. Let's be honest, to get top 4 you have to replace a big team who is falling- Liverpool are like that this season, replacing United. I think 5th is our maximum possible finish but that's being positive. Next season, we need to focus on the cup to attract players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Our short term has to be to hold on to players. The long term goal is Europe. Let's be honest, to get top 4 you have to replace a big team who is falling- Liverpool are like that this season, replacing United. I think 5th is our maximum possible finish but that's being positive. Next season, we need to focus on the cup to attract players. trouble is many of our better players will have Europe as a short term goal, there is no guarantee that they'll ever get it with us and some will look elsewhere this summer. Those that are 24/25/26 will want to move forwards before it's too late. So either we guarantee them a push for Europe next season with serious investment to counter our obvious weaknesses or we carry on in the all for the academy vein and lose our best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 25 March, 2014 Share Posted 25 March, 2014 I'd liked to think it would be at least be being considered on the same level as Spurs and Everton. It annoys me when you see Pundits saying all our players and manager are going to leave for bigger(richer) clubs and that. I want us to be in the position where we're not just plucky little old Southampton but a club that has respect and not have our entire first team linked with moves away because we're considered not 'big' enough to be allowed to have good players if you know what I mean? It annoys me how its not sport any more, as a club shows promise their players are poached away from them and I don't want that happening to us Great post Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 March, 2014 Share Posted 25 March, 2014 I'd liked to think it would be at least be being considered on the same level as Spurs and Everton. It annoys me when you see Pundits saying all our players and manager are going to leave for bigger(richer) clubs and that. I want us to be in the position where we're not just plucky little old Southampton but a club that has respect and not have our entire first team linked with moves away because we're considered not 'big' enough to be allowed to have good players if you know what I mean? It annoys me how its not sport any more, as a club shows promise their players are poached away from them and I don't want that happening to us It will do though, it always has and always will, until we become bankrolled we will always be a stepping stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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