Bewildered Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Every time we play, we start well, dominate and maybe even score a couple. But the moment they are put under any sort of pressure or things start to go wrong the defenders suddenly look clueless as to what they are supposed to do and the midfield and attackers become a nonentity. Are they poorly motivated? Psychological weakness? Lack of a natural leader on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of a manager to change and drive things that deviate from his game plan, e.g. the other team fights back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of a big guy in the middle of the pitch. Club corrected that in the summer, unfortunately he got injured when we went into the busiest period of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of a big guy in the middle of the pitch. Club corrected that in the summer, unfortunately he got injured when we went into the busiest period of the season. if it's as simple as that then reliance on one player isn't corrected in my book. a step in the right direction yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Why was Points dropped from winning positions locked? Same theme, we just seem weak mentally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Poor defending from two individuals cost us today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We have a lot of inexperienced players who don't know how to handle it when it doesn't go to plan. We have no pace in the team. We have players who react badly to pressure from the opposition and lose their cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Or just maybe it's the fact that we have a very young team who are still learning? If we can keep them together for another season or two (with one or two additions) we'll be ****ing awesome. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of a big guy in the middle of the pitch. Club corrected that in the summer, unfortunately he got injured when we went into the busiest period of the season. So we cannot cope when one player is out? Wouldnt reliance on one player be a huge mistake from Mopo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Poor defending from two individuals cost us today. And nearly cost us last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of our two best central defensive midfielders - Schneiderlin and Wanyama. That probably did us today. That and a goddamn awful Ref who missed some dreadful challenges largely from Rose who is one of the dirtiest scumbags to grace a football pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Might help if the future of Manager and key players was more clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I don't think it is mental weakness, I think it is the genetic makeup of the team from the last 5 years. We're a momentum team and struggling to make the transition to one which doesn't rely on momentum to win games. Sometimes we do it but there are relapses like today which cost us. When the opponents have their tail up we are really vulnerable and lack composure. We bring it on ourselves and in this league the opposition have the quality to punish you. We need to find a way to stay in a game when we have our funny five mins and everyone seems to want to boot it 50 yards. I don't like the way that when one player has the shakes a few others pick it up too. The only player that doesn't in our current team is Lallana. He stands head and shoulders above the others in playing the same way no matter what the phase of the game. I wish others would pick up on his approach to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Or just maybe it's the fact that we have a very young team who are still learning? If we can keep them together for another season or two (with one or two additions) we'll be ****ing awesome. Looking forward to it. This. But you're wasting your time with the ****ing morons on here. Individual errors have cost us unbelievably soft goals (again) to let them back into it. Very frustrating Biggest thing to take from today was that after Jay went off we lacked up front and that allowed Spurs to squeeze higher up the pitch and play in our half more. That needs to be addressed in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Not mentally weak.. physically outfought and then mental tiredness creeps in... we look exhausted and some are carrying minor injuries. Once Lambert tires, it seems to spread through the team as we cannot keep the ball. Our midfield was weak today, sorely miss Schneiderlin and Wanyama. We are not yet ready to challenge the top six teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 This. But you're wasting your time with the ****ing morons on here. Individual errors have cost us unbelievably soft goals (again) to let them back into it. Very frustrating Biggest thing to take from today was that after Jay went off we lacked up front and that allowed Spurs to squeeze higher up the pitch and play in our half more. That needs to be addressed in the summer Post of the day..spot on mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Why was Points dropped from winning positions locked? Although everyone thinks you're a complete and utter absolute fackin prat, me included, I really wanted to know how many points we have dropped from winning positions. Surely the most in this league for many, many seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 just glad there are at least 12 teams mentally weaker than us,why is it these days if you lose a game there is a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 And nearly cost us last week. But didn't... thats football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Not mentally weak.. physically outfought and then mental tiredness creeps in... we look exhausted and some are carrying minor injuries. Once Lambert tires, it seems to spread through the team as we cannot keep the ball. Our midfield was weak today, sorely miss Schneiderlin and Wanyama. We are not yet ready to challenge the top six teams. I'd go along with this pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Can someone work out what percentage of games we haven't lost when wanyama and Morgan are playing together compared to games we've lost when they havent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Can someone work out what percentage of games we haven't lost when wanyama and Morgan are playing together compared to games we've lost when they havent ? I know that we've not won a PL game this season without Morgan, absolutely pivotal to our side, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 But didn't... thats football. OK we didn't lose to Narch but we gave away two stupid goals again as we did with Sunderland,Stoke and Wetspam.When will we ever learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of a manager to change and drive things that deviate from his game plan, e.g. the other team fights back. So predictable and boring. What a wet blanket you are. Poch brought Clyne off at half-time after his error gifted Spurs a goal, is that not evidence of changing his game plan with some degree of urgency? Out of interest, what manager do you think could do a better job than Poch with resources at his disposal? Try and keep it realistic. Would be interesting if you could actually offer any solutions rather than spouting negative horsesh*t 24/7. It is beyond tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 OK we didn't lose to Narch but we gave away two stupid goals again as we did with Sunderland,Stoke and Wetspam.When will we ever learn? We'll learn when we have a better squad. 4 or 5 good signings are absolutely necessary this summer, if the owner doesn't want to finance them then she should sell us to someone who will, otherwise we'll risk doing a West Brom or Swansea next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 So predictable and boring. What a wet blanket you are. Poch brought Clyne off at half-time after his error gifted Spurs a goal, is that not evidence of changing his game plan with some degree of urgency? Out of interest, what manager do you think could do a better job than Poch with resources at his disposal? Try and keep it realistic. Would be interesting if you could actually offer any solutions rather than spouting negative horsesh*t 24/7. It is beyond tedious. You will be waiting a while mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We'll learn when we have a better squad. 4 or 5 good signings are absolutely necessary this summer, if the owner doesn't want to finance them then she should sell us to someone who will, otherwise we'll risk doing a West Brom or Swansea next season. You ungrateful ****. She has pumped more than enough money into this club as it is. We need to become shrewder in the transfer market and we certainly don't need 5 new signings. 2 or 3 signings in the correct areas would massively improve a squad that will improve naturally anyway the more experience these younger players get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 we certainly don't need 5 new signings. We certainly do, at least. Showed again today that we only really have 13 or 14 top players. And really we only had 2 out. No-one on the bench to change things apart from Gaston, who doesn't (usually). People can't see that we are desperately short of strong competition in many areas of the pitch (GK, CB*2, LB, AM, ST*2 at least, assuming we keep what we have). Thank God we are not going to qualify for Europe. I'm with Windows on this one. Haven't seen any sign of KL spending as yet, previous spending was what was planned by her old man and nasty nic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lack of our two best central defensive midfielders - Schneiderlin and Wanyama. That probably did us today. That and a goddamn awful Ref who missed some dreadful challenges largely from Rose who is one of the dirtiest scumbags to grace a football pitch. So it had nothing to do with 2 atrocious defensive errors then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 This. But you're wasting your time with the ****ing morons on here. Individual errors have cost us unbelievably soft goals (again) to let them back into it. Very frustrating Biggest thing to take from today was that after Jay went off we lacked up front and that allowed Spurs to squeeze higher up the pitch and play in our half more. That needs to be addressed in the summer That's a fair point but we were on the back foot before J-rod went off so there is more going on than that. The defence seems to have become rather mistake prone in recent weeks compared to the brilliant way it played early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 That's a fair point but we were on the back foot before J-rod went off so there is more going on than that. The defence seems to have become rather mistake prone in recent weeks compared to the brilliant way it played early in the season. After conceding an equaliser 1 minute into the second half it's not surprising we came under a bit of pressure for 5 or 10 mins. we weathered that and then Rodriguez went off (was he injured?) and after that we couldn't get out of our half as we didn't have an outlet ball. This is a young team and it isn't realistic to expect us to go away from home to top 6 sides and dominate the game for 90 minutes. There will always be periods in the game where you have to dig in and that wasn't the problem today despite what some are saying. We conceded goals at the times we looked most comfortable. 2 after we went 2 nil up and one in the last minute when for the previous 10 minutes we had looked like we might be able to get a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We were complacent after going 2up, I felt even at that stagE we would throw it away. You just get the gut feeling at times especially after watching saints for so many years. Cork is a decent player but their strength in midfield overpowered us. The mistake for the first goal was vital as their fans were well on their backs and we let them in. Oh Sherwood is a smug gut, he constantly looks up to the screen to see if he is on and then plays up his up and at them stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We were complacent after going 2up, I felt even at that stagE we would throw it away. You just get the gut feeling at times especially after watching saints for so many years. Cork is a decent player but their strength in midfield overpowered us. The mistake for the first goal was vital as their fans were well on their backs and we let them in. Oh Sherwood is a smug gut, he constantly looks up to the screen to see if he is on and then plays up his up and at them stuff. Much as I feared in the build-up to this game. Without at least one of MS and VW we are open to all comers at the back. Cork is a decent player but he needs a strong,fast man alongside him. Our left side of defence is weak because Shaw for all of his ability isn't great defensively. If we don't have hard man in front of him to cover most of his defensive work then we are often exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 So it had nothing to do with 2 atrocious defensive errors then? And that too. Certainly was not of the Managers doing tactically though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think several players are not 100% fit, and that doesn't help. Boruc doesn't look right, Clyne and JRod have knocks, Lovren and Ramirez were doubtful today, Morgan, VW, Guly Davis out injured, RL struggling - not sure if he can't hack 90 mins any more or is carrying a niggle. Putting all that together with our high tempo game and it's a problem. We need more options for rotation to keep it up all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think several players are not 100% fit, and that doesn't help. Boruc doesn't look right, Clyne and JRod have knocks, Lovren and Ramirez were doubtful today, Morgan, VW, Guly Davis out injured, RL struggling - not sure if he can't hack 90 mins any more or is carrying a niggle. Putting all that together with our high tempo game and it's a problem. We need more options for rotation to keep it up all season. RL was pretty great in the first half today, some wonderful link up play in what looked like a 442 schema, but when he runs out of juice it's with a bang and not gradually at all. Mind you without JRod to give him the out ball most of the time everything changed. Bad tackle on JRod, hope that it doesn't affect him for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think several players are not 100% fit, and that doesn't help. Boruc doesn't look right, Clyne and JRod have knocks, Lovren and Ramirez were doubtful today, Morgan, VW, Guly Davis out injured, RL struggling - not sure if he can't hack 90 mins any more or is carrying a niggle. Putting all that together with our high tempo game and it's a problem. We need more options for rotation to keep it up all season. As it stands we just do not have the players to change the pattern of games. Mauricio knows it but he has to work with what he's been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think it's a combination of a few factors. Fatigue, with a thin squad coming towards the end of the season. Individual errors and not actually having anything to play for. I wouldn't say we were mentally weak particularly, Spurs just wanted it more second half, even if they weren't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Squad isn't big enough, simple as that really. Players like JWP aren't strong enough to come in and replace Morgan or Wanyama. Wanyama was the bigger reason for our defensive record at the start of the season and the fact he's been missing most of the 2nd half shows. Our first 11 is terrific and a match for all teams in the league, but with injuries, fatigue and suspension we cannot go toe to toe with them. Hopefully we'll evolve further in the summer to help cure this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 we was outmuscled second half & that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lovren has not been the same player since his injury, we need more power in midfield and pace up front when the game stretches. Add to that AL needs to somehow learn to put pace into his shooting, if he had that he would be one of the best players in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lovren has not been the same player since his injury, we need more power in midfield and pace up front when the game stretches. Add to that AL needs to somehow learn to put pace into his shooting, if he had that he would be one of the best players in the country He certainly wasn't fit today, looked to be running through treacle at times. I think he's so good that we simply play him if he's 60% fit, the likes of Jos and Maya aren't good enough cover and It's clear that MP isn't convinced by either. First job in the summer would be to offload Jos and replace him with another Lovren-level CB. 2nd job - bring in another striker and loan out Gallagher and JWP. 3rd job...keep the rest of the team together and tie MP down to a contract. Then we may be in business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think after supporting Saints for so long and the constant disappointments it is the fans that are mentally weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think after supporting Saints for so long and the constant disappointments it is the fans that are mentally weak Actually I think it's the opposite, our plummet through the leagues has filtered out the weak links. All the weaklings threw themselves off the Itchen Bridge after getting spanked 5-1 by Preston, 5-0 by Wednesday, the 4-4 draw at Peterborough. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think the team is mentally shattered after a season in which started off at a storming pace. This is different from being mentally weak. It is a young team and many have played many games as we have a small squad. To finish 8th or 9th will be an immense achievement and we have 2 or 3 wins in us before the end of season. More importantly, because we are safe, we should be scouting around for new additions for next season and experimenting a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We miss experience - professionals who can kill a game off. But we also lack strength in depth. No options for MoPo to change a game. We have one good team. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 .....but by god I'm proud of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think the team is mentally shattered after a season in which started off at a storming pace. This is different from being mentally weak. It is a young team and many have played many games as we have a small squad. To finish 8th or 9th will be an immense achievement and we have 2 or 3 wins in us before the end of season. More importantly, because we are safe, we should be scouting around for new additions for next season and experimenting a little.it might end up 10th but still a great improvement.the biggest blow to us was Cortese leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 it might end up 10th but still a great improvement.the biggest blow to us was Cortese leaving There is no way we will lose 11 points on the teams below and drop to 10th. And in retrospect, we needed to lose Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 There is no way we will lose 11 points on the teams below and drop to 10th. And in retrospect, we needed to lose Cortese.i think Stoke are closer to us than that, but I'm sure we will get enough to keep our 9th place. I'm sure that NC leaving is a major mistake as he had the drive to move us on, I'm not sure that KL has the same, the summer will soon tell us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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