Shroppie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Smirking Saint please don't patronize. I am a qualified referee, football trainer and have played the game for 40 years and guess what i'm still playing at centre back at the age of 45. Take another look at both incidents. Yes he could be stronger and not rely on protection from the referee, but both were fouls. That was my opinion too. Don't get this idea that if you can't stand up to a "minor" foul you're being weak and it's not a foul. Like the pulling and pushing before corners that is ignored but would be a clear foul in normal play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Funny how I seem to have the same opinion as MoPo. I guess you know more than us Smirking Saint. Southampton manager Mauricio Pochettino: "The first half we dominated but there's refereeing decisions which did not go our way and completely changed the dynamic of the game. "We suffered after conceding the equaliser and the last goal made it very difficult for us. There's nothing to complain about the third goal. We lost the game, more than Tottenham won the game, and they had a little help from the referee." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Funny how I seem to have the same opinion as MoPo. I guess you know more than us Smirking Saint. Southampton manager Mauricio Pochettino: "The first half we dominated but there's refereeing decisions which did not go our way and completely changed the dynamic of the game. "We suffered after conceding the equaliser and the last goal made it very difficult for us. There's nothing to complain about the third goal. We lost the game, more than Tottenham won the game, and they had a little help from the referee." Individual errors cost us, it's a bitter pill to swallow having been brilliant for the first 30 minutes. However we're a young side, we need to learn to close out games, to play with such confidence away to a team that should be challenging for champions league is still a huge strive forward. Disapointing but there you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Not read any of the reaction on here yet, but thought we were poor today. Nicked two goals, but were the 2nd team throughout, I thought they looked stronger and faster. Such a difference between our game with JWP or Schneiderlin playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Not read any of the reaction on here yet, but thought we were poor today. Nicked two goals, but were the 2nd team throughout, I thought they looked stronger and faster. Such a difference between our game with JWP or Schneiderlin playing.we were in control for most of the first half, the mistake for their first goal gave them a lift. We needed to keep a clean sheet to halftime and we would have benn fine. Their fans were restless and were ready to turn on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Smirking Saint please don't patronize. I am a qualified referee, football trainer and have played the game for 40 years and guess what i'm still playing at centre back at the age of 45. Take another look at both incidents. Yes he could be stronger and not rely on protection from the referee, but both were fouls. Somewhat patronising, don't you think. I take it that the referee, that would appear to have disagreed with you today, is also qualified, probably to the highest level in domestic football in this country. Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Somewhat patronising, don't you think. I take it that the referee, that would appear to have disagreed with you today, is also qualified, probably to the highest level in domestic football in this country. Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk What, like the one who sent off the wrong player in the Arsenal game yesterday is you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Micky the referee and Assistant have split seconds to make decisions. We can replay the incidents time and time again. Of course top level referees never make wrong decisions. The thing is goals change games. And so do bad decisions! It's certainly not the first time we've had bad decisions against us in the Capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I can never remember us giving away so many soft goals. It has happened all season. Just think how good we'll be when we cut them out of our game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 The second was not a foul. Its really really bad defending! The first is more of a foul, but even then im not sure. The worst thing the referee did was not book Rose for either of the 2 shocking kicks no where near the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I sincerely hope we're not going to blame the referee for losing that today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I'm sorry, you're just wrong. That was never a keepers ball. Watch it again. A simple call from Boruc and that ball clears our defence and poses no problem at all. Are you seriously suggesting that this would have created a worse outcome than what ended up happening? A defender can't get any power or distance on a clearing header when he's going backwards, and Boruc is experienced enough to know that. As soon as I saw Boruc retreating I knew we were in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 On reflection I would edit what I wrote. What I meant is that the Tottenham defender wasn't going anywhere and giving away the foul made it easy for him to get out of a pressured situation. From the free kick Tottenham carved us open and scored. That's why I think he cost us the game. Just as the ref or the assistant linesman missed the fouls on Lovren. at worst he cost us a point though. the rest of our performance threw away two thirds of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Not read any of the reaction on here yet, but thought we were poor today. Nicked two goals, but were the 2nd team throughout, I thought they looked stronger and faster. Such a difference between our game with JWP or Schneiderlin playing. Oh dear, you didn't watch the 1st half hour then when we were in complete control. Agreed they were stronger 2nd half, but you don't win games making basic errors at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Oh dear, you didn't watch the 1st half hour then when we were in complete control. Agreed they were stronger 2nd half, but you don't win games making basic errors at this level. Oh dear, you've made the dickhead error of telling someone their opinion is wrong. Well done you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Oh dear, you've made the dickhead error of telling someone their opinion is wrong. Well done you. Your the dickhead for responding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Individual errors cost us, it's a bitter pill to swallow having been brilliant for the first 30 minutes. However we're a young side, we need to learn to close out games, to play with such confidence away to a team that should be challenging for champions league is still a huge strive forward. Excellent summary. I was there in with the spurs fans, they were generally very complimentary about us, and a group behind us were saying how superb we looked and that a caning looked certain if we kept it up. We are indeed a superb team when we are on the boil as we were for the first half hour, but we so easily seem to go off it, and the top teams will take advantage of that as spurs did today. Switch off against Norwich at home and you get away with it, do it away to Spurs or any big team you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Your the dickhead for responding... It's "you're". Dickhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lovren a 3 today at best IMO. Had to be stronger. Had to learn. Seems to lack focus at times. At least it might be less likely he'll get poached in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 we were in control for most of the first half, the mistake for their first goal gave them a lift. We needed to keep a clean sheet to halftime and we would have benn fine. Their fans were restless and were ready to turn on the team I thought they looked the better team throughout and their fans didn't turn on them at all, both a surprise. We really did miss Schneiderlin's presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Seems to lack focus at times. At least it might be less likely he'll get poached in the summer. The only reason we managed to get him was after the error laden season he had in Lyon last year. The summer before that he was linked with Barcelona. He is still class and feel lucky to have him at Saints, but the book on him does say he is prone to lapses in concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Oh dear, you didn't watch the 1st half hour then when we were in complete control. Agreed they were stronger 2nd half, but you don't win games making basic errors at this level. Do you think we were in complete control in the first half? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Do you think we were in complete control in the first half? Really? TBF I thought we were (and the spuds all around me seemed to agree) until we conceded and then it all changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 (edited) Do you think we were in complete control in the first half? Really? They started brighter but we then dominated and frankly a 2 nil lead wouldn't have flattered us whatsoever. If anything we should have got behind them more than we did -Shaw, unfound, was in acres of space at times and we had marginal offside decisions go against us. Likewise the 2nd half wasn't as black and white as you suggest. For all their power, pressure and possession, how many saves did Boruc have to make? If anything, we rode out the storm and arguably finished the stronger side (last 10-15mins). Edited 23 March, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Agree Roger. He was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 They started brighter but we then dominated and frankly a 2 nil lead wouldn't have flattered us whatsoever. If anything we should have got behind them more than we did -Shaw, unfound, was in acres of space at times and we had marginal offside decisions go against us. Likewise the 2nd half wasn't as black and white as you suggest. For all their power, pressure and possession, how many saves did Boruc have to make? If anything, we rode out the storm and arguably finished the stronger side (last 10-15mins). Each to their own, but I thought a 2-0 would have flattered us a bit, always felt Spurs were going to come back and was unfortunately proved right. Just one of those days, key injuries affected us a bit and Spurs seemed to actually perform how they should based on some of the players they have available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Didn't support us last season then? Or 2007/8, or 2008/09, or definitely 04/05? No only started supporting us last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysfc Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I also watched the game on Sky today and that I was going mental when we went 2-0 up thinking we are going to do it and hold on and win but once Sony Eriksen scored the 1st Spurs goal I had a bit of doubt coming in and at 2-2 I'd happily take a point at FT but then bang 3-2 Spurs and that I couldn't believe it but it's the way it goes and we just have to bounce back and beat Pards and Newcastle on Sat but we'l see.....!!! COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Defensive errors cost us the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Soon as we went 2-0 I smiled smugly to my Spurs mate and said don't worry Saints can easily give you two goals back in one minute (a la Norwich). They've done the double over us this season and last season now? And they didn't even have Bale this season ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Micky the referee and Assistant have split seconds to make decisions. We can replay the incidents time and time again. Of course top level referees never make wrong decisions. The thing is goals change games. And so do bad decisions! It's certainly not the first time we've had bad decisions against us in the Capital. You miss the point. It's all opinion - you know that you're a professional referee. In the opinion of todays referee - both were fouls - that's how he saw them. The fact that you've coached football for 40 years, are a qualified referee and still play centre back at 45 years of age - mean the square root of naff all, and make your argument or opinion no more valid than the next mans. '...if, in the opinion of the referee...', remember that? One mans foul is another mans dive - it's what makes football compulsive viewing. Take the tints off and neither were fouls. All IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 You can't really complain about the referee, he could have given them a penalty but decided it wasn't a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 After a really **** result like that when you lose right at the death so that it feels like you've been kicked in the ****** we have only one thing to be grateful for. At least we're not skates. Thank the Lord for that. Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Smirking Saint please don't patronize. I am a qualified referee, football trainer and have played the game for 40 years and guess what i'm still playing at centre back at the age of 45. Take another look at both incidents. Yes he could be stronger and not rely on protection from the referee, but both were fouls. Yes it probably was patronizing, apologies. I was a little more than ****ed off after the game. Regardless, except for the timescales I can easily compete with the **** swinging contest if I had too, but Im not really that interested. Opinions opinions I suppose, they really were not fouls unless the game has now moved into such a low that the brush of an arm constitutes a foul, the second surely wasnt, the first is debateable but having watched it again really isnt. Both times lovren failed to adequately shield the ball, attempted to win a freekick and failed in a basic task. As a coach you could question his need to be there in the first place but regardless he was and had to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 I don't see why people are complaining about the referee. Lovren wasn't fouled for the first or second goal, he was just very weak and had a horrific game. You'd all be criticizing the referee if we had two goals ruled out for similar incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Disappointing that Lovren should make the same mistake twice. Looking at the bigger picture we have blown lots of points from a winning position and rarely come from behind. Somewhere Mr Krueger can have an impact I would hope. Not mentally strong enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Too disappointed to read this thread but is it full of Alpine/Barry and Glasgow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 I can never remember us giving away so many soft goals. It has happened all season. Just think how good we'll be when we cut them out of our game! As mentioned above, in part this is down to our wanting to pass every ball out from the back... And now and again mistakes are made... As admirable as it is, there are times when a foot needs to be put through the thing. even in first half when we dominated, got the feeling it just needed their mid field to be more aggressive to undermine our procession. Without Morgan or Big Vic, we don't really have anything to counter a more agree some midfield as Spurs showed second half. one of those days... Again. But it is a young side, and they will gain experience... If we are lucky enough to hold them together... ... Is it just me or is TS the most dislikable opposition manager right now? Looks more like someone who has just tarmac 'd your drive whilst you out and is now demanding payment .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 I can never remember us giving away so many soft goals. It has happened all season. Just think how good we'll be when we cut them out of our game! If we have the 30m + that would require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Was a bit too gutted to post yesterday. Not happy with that result. Always feels bad to squander a two-goal lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Was a bit too gutted to post yesterday. Not happy with that result. Always feels bad to squander a two-goal lead. I'm bummed also, Spurs & Villa are my derby matches cos most of my mates is one or the other. Ponch has let me down bad this season, P3 L3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Funny game to call, entertaining but not of a particularly high standard from either team. First half fairly level, Saints played very well when we had the ball and scored two good goals, we weren't as good as usual when we didn't have the ball and we looked wide open at times with Fonte and Lovren both regularly having to go on emergency manoeuvres to bail us out. First goal was a sickener and if we had got to HT at 2-0 we may well have turned the crowd and got something out of the game. Completely asleep at the start of the second half and never matched Spurs bright start (which was always going to happen, we should have been ready for a massive 10 minutes and we weren't, and that ultimately cost us the game). Despite Spurs turning the heat up second half we restricted them to very few chances and made occasional progress ourselves, Spurs always looked like they might have a winner in them but it was annoyingly late when it did come. Lambert surprisingly good for the first 30 minutes, he's definitely not finished (he did very little second half but was feeding on scraps), reckon he would make an excellent impact sub/squad player next season, the sort of game-changer we don't currently have on the bench. Strong performance from JRod (was he injured for the sub?). Flashes from GR but he didn't really have the impact we were looking for. What's happened to Clyne, his confidence looks shot. I love Shaw and I'd love him to stay but if we receive silly money I'm sure we can replace with a half competent LB, we seem to concede quite a few goals from that side of the pitch. Bit of a mixed away day, first time I've been to WHL for a number of years and it was better than I remember it. Good bants in the pub(s) pre-match and Spurs fans who came over as quite realistic about their current position etc. Stewards v fan friendly, decent views but where oh where were the Saints fans? Don't know what the upper was like but we were in the lower and it was shocking, we gave it a bit of a go in the first half but the fans, rather like the team forgot to turn up in the second half. It really was one of the quietest away days I have ever been on.... ho hum. Season definitely over now with the other results at the weekend. We will try for Swansea tkts but I really can't see us selling many more tkts home or away between now and the end of the season, shame considering the buzz up till Xmas time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Two individual errors cost us the game as we seemed to go to pieces after the first. However, our players did not do this purposely as these things happen, We have to move on but it does show how we missed Morgan in midfield. A good win obver Newcastle on saturday and this will be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Each to their own, but I thought a 2-0 would have flattered us a bit, always felt Spurs were going to come back and was unfortunately proved right. Just one of those days, key injuries affected us a bit and Spurs seemed to actually perform how they should based on some of the players they have available. Agreed, we play the same whatever the scoreline - at 2-0 you would have thought we would consolidate until half time.. but you can't legislate for basic errors and Clyne's was shocking.. just what Spurs needed and the whole game changed plus Sherwood sorted out their back line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 I'm bummed also, Spurs & Villa are my derby matches cos most of my mates is one or the other. Ponch has let me down bad this season, P3 L3 When you say one or the other, with you that is hard to tell what you mean:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Strong performance from JRod (was he injured for the sub?). Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 Was a bit too gutted to post yesterday. Not happy with that result. Always feels bad to squander a two-goal lead. This. Squandered that lead + when so comfortable + nature of their goals + timing of their goals + lack of conviction 2nd half. Still gutted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 2-0 is always a dangerous lead. If the other side gets one back the momentum is all with them. Having said that, sloppy errors cost us yesterday. That's 2 sloppy games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 gutted,but felt spurs once they got the first of theirs we would conceed another.their third was hard to take but it was coming we definetley missed morgan today,we had a very soft midfield and second half was one long battle which the spurs won on wards to city,lets hope its not a hammering coys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 March, 2014 Share Posted 24 March, 2014 2-0 is always a dangerous lead. If the other side gets one back the momentum is all with them. Only seems to work one way tho, when we go two down i don't find myself rubbing hands in gleeful anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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