Saint_Jonny Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Well that was annoying. The first four goals in the game came form individual errors. Then we let in a good goal (for a change). Should never have lost that after cruising at 2-0. Gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 A complete bloody disgrace. We looked like a load of Sunday league players in the second half and pretty poor ones at that. Fonte is an utter effing Plank. I feel sorry for the poor sods who made their way up to WHL to have to watch that load of donkey droppings. Arsenal were`nt to good yesterday either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 A complete bloody disgrace. We looked like a load of Sunday league players in the second half and pretty poor ones at that. Fonte is an utter effing Plank. I feel sorry for the poor sods who made their way up to WHL to have to watch that load of donkey droppings. How you can pick out fonte not lovren is beyond me. Lovren was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think we missed Morgan and victor a lot that second half. We had no presence in midfield when we needed it. Yep my take on it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He gave the ball away with a causal touch in the centre of the pitch and then gave away the free kick. The free kick was dealt with poorly by a combination of fonte and lovren and personally I thought AB could have come and claimed it. The thing with Gaston is he keeps doing it, keeps giving the ball away, flatters to deceive time after time . There is no way that was gastons fault he played well. Typical English mentality not understanding game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 And somebody else has said boruc was at fault for the winner. We have so many clueless fans on here. If you don't understand that a high hoof through the middle is better-handled by a decisive keeper than a back-pedalling defence, then you might be the clueless one. Lovren didn't play well today, but the winner was more down to Boruc than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 If Pochettino does leave in the summer he has yet another valid reason after this no-display.After our second goal I had serious reservations as the defence started to get pulled about.Then they score and 'bingo' my thoughts were 'they're going to come back and sneak it from us' and sure enough they did. Spurs didn't win, we gave it to them.How many more times do we have to witness the 'losing from a winning position?' It's nothing new. My sympathy to all who the Saints were there. You deserved much better than this. Does he not share some of the blame for this though ? Apart from in his own mind of course. Not sure his teams falling apart and conceding so easily will enhance his standing with all the big French clubs he's thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Of all the performances in that game you want to say Ramirez cost us the game!?! Seriously how anyone can blame gaston is beyond me he played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 JWP proving why he's overrated by many on here. Hmm seems much more a case of numpties finding a new scapegoat to pick on. Will they ever learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He gave the ball away with a causal touch in the centre of the pitch and then gave away the free kick. The free kick was dealt with poorly by a combination of fonte and lovren and personally I thought AB could have come and claimed it. The thing with Gaston is he keeps doing it, keeps giving the ball away, flatters to deceive time after time . That is the way he plays though. He takes the gamble to open up the game. It probably works 3/10. I've never known us concede from Gaston losing the ball that high up the pitch but I've seen us score plenty after it. We can't just turn him into another Davis or JWP clone. For the last goal the clearing header was weak, the midfield was nowhere for the second ball, and then it was a fair strike - I'm not putting any of that on Ramirez personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 No he was good. Watch the game! I did, along with a fair few other's and he was poor. But its about opinions. Everyone entitled to one, and anyone who went, made the effort to watch it has the right to criticise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 So you're blaming the manager for the mistake of an individual? So are you saying every mistake made on the pitch is mopos mistake? if Lambert misses that is a symptom of poor management isi? if Cork misplaces a pass that is a symptom of poor management isi? if Lallana dribbles into a cul de sac and the ball ends up going for a throw in to the opposition that is a symptom of poor management isi? what a Mongolian! It seems Alp doesn't want to answer my questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Seriously how anyone can blame gaston is beyond me he played well. Nah its easy to blame him if you're a complete squeezer, and there's plenty of them on this forum. Ok so he gives away a free kick maybe. And then three other blokes don't do their jobs and ball goes in. Yeah totally Gaston's fault that. Spare me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 It seems Alp doesn't want to answer my questions Unable too i suspect..but may have wet his self with joy at our defeat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lets not have 19 year old JWP become the next Telfer, Delap, Seaborne, Fox etc. We are a young improving side having a great season. Should have won today but thats down to a mid 20s Intl centre back who has also had a great season on the whole. Not JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Hmm seems much more a case of numpties finding a new scapegoat to pick on. Will they ever learn? Definitely overrated by many on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Boruc 6 two saves, suspect kicking (as usual) and couldn't have done anything about the goals Clyne 5 ineffective going forward, game changing error Fonte 6 not great today Lovren 5 could argue one or both goals were free kicks but generally poor all day Shaw 7 had Lennon and Townsend pocketed all day Cork 6 average Jwp 6 also average, good set pieces (except 1) and a good effort in an unfamiliar position Davis 6, great first half, disappeared second Lallana 7 thought he was excellent first half, but also disappeared a bit Jrod 6, poorer second half again, but probably due to the knock Lambert 6, awful last half hour, but good first half Chambers 6, pretty average Gaston 6, couple of excellent touches, together with a couple of moments of being too weak. I.e. Typical gaston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Cue standard Lambert is tired squeezers. Not to mention the anti-Gastons. Neither of those two cost us the game. This fu*@&ng forum is full of mouth breathers. Not slating him because he was cracking in the first half but in the second he was caught offside a few times and did look on the tired side. If he wasn't tired imagine he would have stayed on in preference to Gallagher. I think most would agree we would be better off had Osvaldo worked out and we could have rotated him and Lambert in the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 There is no way that was gastons fault he played well. Typical English mentality not understanding game. Don't talk nonsense man. MP is Argentinian and he hardly plays him. There's a reason for that you know, and its not that JWP , Cork or SD are world class players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lovren a 3 today at best IMO. Had to be stronger. Had to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Unable too i suspect..but may have wet his self with joy at our defeat.. Thats my conclusion. everything is mopos fault eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 If you don't understand that a high hoof through the middle is better-handled by a decisive keeper than a back-pedalling defence, then you might be the clueless one. Lovren didn't play well today, but the winner was more down to Boruc than him. I'm sorry, you're just wrong. That was never a keepers ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Nah its easy to blame him if you're a complete squeezer, and there's plenty of them on this forum. Ok so he gives away a free kick maybe. And then three other blokes don't do their jobs and ball goes in. Yeah totally Gaston's fault that. Spare me. I haven't seen any posts saying it was "totally" his fault. I've seen a few saying he gave the ball away and then a free kick that wasn't defended correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Wow, its a 2-for-1 Classic Cliche sale round here today.. Instead of just being the clichéd troll why not actually respond to the question I asked you? Utterly arrogant and hardly saintly response from your good self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lets not have 19 year old JWP become the next Telfer, Delap, Seaborne, Fox etc. We are a young improving side having a great season. Should have won today but thats down to a mid 20s Intl centre back who has also had a great season on the whole. Not JWP. He's a decent player who has a lot to offer but with the standard set in the Premier League of what you've got to be in the middle of the park to contribute as a player for a top half team it's tough for him. I'm glad we give him the experience and opportunity but it is more than fair to point out today that the game passed him by plenty of times and when we had to dig in he physically was up against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Ahhh well, never thought that we would get anything there anyway. Even when we went 2 nil up I still wasn't that confident - let's face it, even with all of our pretty play and possession - they actually gave us our 2 goals. 2nd half, we were pants - must have been some half time team talk by Mopo to get that swing in form - and then it was all Spurs. Shocking defending for their goals - we were weak, they weren't fouls - even if you thought they were, you don't lay on your ass moaning at the ref - you get back in. We need to be stronger, both physically and mentally. At the end of the day, because we were neither - we got what we deserved from that game. BTW - I ****in hate Tim Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 We bottled the second half, didn't offer anything. If Shaw goes in the summer we have to use a chunk of the money to attract a top keeper IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lovren should have been subbed shortly after the Spurs equaliser as it was pretty obvious he'd lost his head at that point. Really disappointing defeat as Spurs were there for the taking today. Our defensive frailty seemed to affect the rest of the team in the second half and we stopped doing all the good things we were doing in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Have to say, when there is a clear change in games we don't seem to respond either tactically or in spirit, which is a worry. Once that goal went in I couldn't see us acting to stop the momentum, which is what good coaches do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Have to say, when there is a clear change in games we don't seem to respond either tactically or in spirit, which is a worry. Once that goal went in I couldn't see us acting to stop the momentum, which is what good coaches do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Tactically we never change but that is the way Pochettino likes to play - we live by the sword and we die by the sword on that front. It's not a spirit thing it is a momentum thing and the team being able to ride out tough periods and work their way back into the game. We're getting a bit better at it but we're not good enough to do it away from home against 6th position. As long as we learn from it I'm ok but I do hate the way that one player gets the shakes and then others do too. Doesn't seem very professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 So you're blaming the manager for the mistake of an individual? So are you saying every mistake made on the pitch is mopos mistake? if Lambert misses that is a symptom of poor management isi? if Cork misplaces a pass that is a symptom of poor management isi? if Lallana dribbles into a cul de sac and the ball ends up going for a throw in to the opposition that is a symptom of poor management isi? what a Mongolian! LOL. As if I am going to take the time to justify myself to someone who ends their post with such crass personal abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think we finally saw the chink in Lovren's armour today. He literally went to pieces after his error just after half-time and for ten minutes was as Alan Parry said "an accident waiting to happen". Some of our passing was woeful/suicidal, just before their first Fonte gave the ball away with a sloppy pass and just before their second Lambert got caught. I now literally shudder when Boruc takes a short pass/makes a short pass. We normally end up conceding possession so he might as well hoof it. As can be seen for Jay Rod's goal route one can be effective. As for Ward-Prowse - we should lay off, he is a kid. Part of his undong is it seems he likes to talk to the press and earlier in the season when things were going better, he did tend to get a bit carried away. He needs to get his head down and let his play do his talking. Thought Lambert to be very impressive in the first half but there were times in the second when in a race with a carthorse my money would have gone on the four legged contestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 (edited) Tactically we never change but that is the way Pochettino likes to play - we live by the sword and we die by the sword on that front. It's not a spirit thing it is a momentum thing and the team being able to ride out tough periods and work their way back into the game. We're getting a bit better at it but we're not good enough to do it away from home against 6th position. As long as we learn from it I'm ok but I do hate the way that one player gets the shakes and then others do too. Doesn't seem very professional. This is our biggest problem. We've done it against far worse teams than Spurs as well. As for Ward-Prowse - we should lay off, he is a kid. Part of his undong is it seems he likes to talk to the press and earlier in the season when things were going better, he did tend to get a bit carried away. He needs to get his head down and let his play do his talking. Eh? He is the embodiment of 'head down'. He gets selected for press conferences because he speaks well. None of this has anything to do with his football - the problem there is that he is not tough enough to play deep in midfield. That's it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 23 March, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Glad i have the idiots on ignore as i only get to see their gleeful posting when they are quoted.. Pleas dont quote them, let them delight in their pleasure of a Saints defeat on their own.. No opinions of your own then? Cheap and easy to knock others but at least they have passion and care about our team? If you have nothing to add then sod off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Lovren should have been subbed shortly after the Spurs equaliser as it was pretty obvious he'd lost his head at that point. Really disappointing defeat as Spurs were there for the taking today. Our defensive frailty seemed to affect the rest of the team in the second half and we stopped doing all the good things we were doing in the first half. I would agree ... Were it not for the fact that the replacement would have been jos or maya. Definitely need an addition at cb in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 He's a decent player who has a lot to offer but with the standard set in the Premier League of what you've got to be in the middle of the park to contribute as a player for a top half team it's tough for him. I'm glad we give him the experience and opportunity but it is more than fair to point out today that the game passed him by plenty of times and when we had to dig in he physically was up against it. It's tough being patient with young players. They can't all instantly be amazing. Some players need to time to find their feet and improve. Morgan is a perfect example. Clearly talented, but he couldn't tackle for toffee when he first got in the side. I recall a game away Bristol City where he was a complete non entity, all be it played right midfield, where he just would not out his foot in. He's amongst the best around now. Whether JWP has the attributes to become a world beater I don't know, but it's great we are willing to give him the opportunity to develop, so long as that is not at too large a cost in terms of the current sides ability to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I would agree ... Were it not for the fact that the replacement would have been jos or maya. Definitely need an addition at cb in the summer. Yoshida plays well on the left with fine on right. In that scenario he's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 LOL. As if I am going to take the time to justify myself to someone who ends their post with such crass personal abuse. Yet you're happy to spend hours upon hours peddling negative sh*te on here. The moment someone calls you up on it, you run off scared citing 'crass personal abuse'. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 As far as I can see we didnt turn up the second half. No individual fault they wanted it more than us. On a positive note I can confirm that white hart lane hospitality is very good and I am quite drunk. I also met pat jennings and discovered my old man knows mike chivers. We had a fit bird serving us free beer and alll is good. Oh and I'm quite drunk. I hope this helps to work out what went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Thought we were okay, just that once they got going they were better. No surprise there, they are above us on merit, not by luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 It's tough being patient with young players. They can't all instantly be amazing. Some players need to time to find their feet and improve. Morgan is a perfect example. Clearly talented, but he couldn't tackle for toffee when he first got in the side. I recall a game away Bristol City where he was a complete non entity, all be it played right midfield, where he just would not out his foot in. He's amongst the best around now. Whether JWP has the attributes to become a world beater I don't know, but it's great we are willing to give him the opportunity to develop, so long as that is not at too large a cost in terms of the current sides ability to win games. I completely agree with this but we're told games are decided by fine margins a lot of the time so the balance between experience and being allowed to make mistakes and winning games is hard to achieve. I don't believe JWP cost us today in terms of a tangible mistake that led to a goal or anything like that. To be honest there wasn't an alternative (unless Davis played deeper) however when we had to dig in second half he struggled to break up the play in the way we're accustomed to with Morgan, Wanyama, and Cork - that is no criticism of him as a player as he is at a different stage in his career and experience but when we look at the things that the team struggled with that is an area that was an issue for us in the second half. I think he is of sound mind to shrug off this game and learn from the experience but I started a thread on JWP last Autumn in terms of his long term future and the position he will settle on and I am still none the wiser. He looked good in the 'Davis' role in the first quarter of the season and whenever he has played deeper its never worked. He plays deeper for England U21's and looks great so for his age group he is good but in the rough and tumble of the Premier League you've got to be very strong in the middle of that park or you get eaten up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Yoshida plays well on the left with fine on right. In that scenario he's okay. Yes Maya is OK but today Lovren was very exposed, in theory he shouldn't even have had to go out wide to contest the ball with Soldado. It's the same old story, we are very frail when we're attacked wide on our left hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Missed Vic and Morgan big time. Didn't expect to get anything out of the game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 What a load of hysterical c**p i've just read. Referee needs to be stronger and give the clear free kicks on Lovren. Then Tottenham would not been in the game. Ramirez must learn not to give stupid free kicks away. It cost us the game in my opinion. Im sorry but if you are honestly saying that they were free kicks then its either a long long time since you have played the game or you never have. Very very poor from Lovren, he had to be stronger there. His body was in the way both times, you stand up and either move the ball on or clear the danger, not attempt to win cheap free kicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I think we finally saw the chink in Lovren's armour today. He literally went to pieces after his error just after half-time and for ten minutes was as Alan Parry said "an accident waiting to happen". He was very poor in the game he injured his head, Stoke was it? and hasn't got back to his best since. Liverpool was a tough ask on his return, but boy was his failings exposed. He perhaps needs a few more games to find his full fitness and match sharpness especially decision making wise. His partnership with Fonte was fundamental to our early season form. Much more so than Wanyama IMO, but the combination of Lovren underperforming and not having quite so much protection in front is leading to too many goals conceded through the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 Missed Vic and Morgan big time. Didn't expect to get anything out of the game anyway. Not even when we were 2-nil up ?? If we had just got tonked from the start it would probably have been easier to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 LOL. As if I am going to take the time to justify myself to someone who ends their post with such crass personal abuse. Crass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 What a load of hysterical c**p i've just read. Referee needs to be stronger and give the clear free kicks on Lovren. Then Tottenham would not been in the game. Ramirez must learn not to give stupid free kicks away. It cost us the game in my opinion. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it was a stupid free-kick to give away. The defender was under pressure, facing his own goal, and a pointless challenge later we're defending on the edge of our box. I thought apart from that Ramirez was very good when he came on. Manager can't rate young Gallagher much. It was obvious to me that Rickie was blowing out of his arse after 65 minutes and made a lot of mistakes due to his fatigue. Lovren hasn't found any sort of form since his injury. We got out-worked today by Spurs. Doesn't happen too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 A complete bloody disgrace. We looked like a load of Sunday league players in the second half and pretty poor ones at that. Fonte is an utter effing Plank. I feel sorry for the poor sods who made their way up to WHL to have to watch that load of donkey droppings. Dont feel sorry for me ive had a great day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 March, 2014 Share Posted 23 March, 2014 I completely agree with this but we're told games are decided by fine margins a lot of the time so the balance between experience and being allowed to make mistakes and winning games is hard to achieve. I don't believe JWP cost us today in terms of a tangible mistake that led to a goal or anything like that. To be honest there wasn't an alternative (unless Davis played deeper) however when we had to dig in second half he struggled to break up the play in the way we're accustomed to with Morgan, Wanyama, and Cork - that is no criticism of him as a player as he is at a different stage in his career and experience but when we look at the things that the team struggled with that is an area that was an issue for us in the second half. I think he is of sound mind to shrug off this game and learn from the experience but I started a thread on JWP last Autumn in terms of his long term future and the position he will settle on and I am still none the wiser. He looked good in the 'Davis' role in the first quarter of the season and whenever he has played deeper its never worked. He plays deeper for England U21's and looks great so for his age group he is good but in the rough and tumble of the Premier League you've got to be very strong in the middle of that park or you get eaten up. My concern about him is just how slow he is over the ground. Central midfielders can by and large get away with lacking in pace, but there are some real athletes in the middle like Morgan and Dembele and it's these guys, who also have the touch, that are the dominant players in the middle. The one real positive is that if we had a senior player as our fourth choice defensive midfielder he'd be unhappy and wanting a move. A young player is much more willing to bide his time, which helps with team harmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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