Smirking_Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I try to avoid any anti-German stuff, it gets too depressing that anyone still thinks that way. Bayern are right though, it's insane that clubs try to get money out of season tickets like that when the transfer fees etc are so so high. I know most clubs don't have that, but let's be honest, every premier league club has sufficient income that losing a million or 2 from ticket sales would mean slight cut backs elsewhere, maybe not spending so readily? Haggling over fees more? If all clubs did that, all would have to lower their transfer fees a bit. As it is, we have people on here saying pay the extra million or 2 to get a player, and some clubs seem to do that. It does annoy me that ticket prices stop so many people from attending and we get empty seats, while unbelievable sums of money are flowing through the game elsewhere. Every premier league ground should be 99% full each week or something is clearly wrong with the pricing given the popularity of the sport and league. Whilst I agree with the pricing model the transfer window itself has absolutely no basis to how any finacial market models work. There is a supply and a demand but ultimately the fees are wildly different. For example, three names, carroll, lallana and kroos. The most expensive of which is the least talented and visa versa. Realistically we need a couple in the door to make ourselves attractive to those players that arent just interested in cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Perhaps this article might make for interesting reading at this time. And maybe it should be reposted every transfer window? http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/truth-behind-transfer-window-rumour-mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm not convinced that Man U are in for De Vrij. He'd be there by now if they wanted him. He's probably the media fodder to disguise their real targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I try to avoid any anti-German stuff, it gets too depressing that anyone still thinks that way. Bayern are right though, it's insane that clubs try to get money out of season tickets like that when the transfer fees etc are so so high. I know most clubs don't have that, but let's be honest, every premier league club has sufficient income that losing a million or 2 from ticket sales would mean slight cut backs elsewhere, maybe not spending so readily? Haggling over fees more? If all clubs did that, all would have to lower their transfer fees a bit. As it is, we have people on here saying pay the extra million or 2 to get a player, and some clubs seem to do that. It does annoy me that ticket prices stop so many people from attending and we get empty seats, while unbelievable sums of money are flowing through the game elsewhere. Every premier league ground should be 99% full each week or something is clearly wrong with the pricing given the popularity of the sport and league. I'd struggle to disagree with any of that. Sad as it sounds, the fans are largely peripheral concern to clubs now. They just don't rely on fans, so can largely ignore them. I do't know the exact figures, and I'm too lazy to begin looking or trying to work it out. But I'd be interested to see a % split of gate receipts to TV Money. What is it now a Prem place generates? c£90m? Can't imagine gate receipts for a club like Saints (basically anyone in England outside Utd, 'Pool or Arsenal) get close to that, probably not even half. If that is the case, then yeah, why not let a bit of £ slide (not enough to actually really hurt the club ofcourse) and allow fans to turn up and fill out the stadium every week. I'm sure there must be some Business Intelligence type savant able to work out the exact price points at which the stadium will be full and turnover from tickets will be optimised. We have these people at my company, they are terrifyingly smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Perhaps this article might make for interesting reading at this time. And maybe it should be reposted every transfer window? http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/truth-behind-transfer-window-rumour-mill Some people should be made to read it afresh everytime before they post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Already getting the sense people want us to **** our money away as soon as possible. How many would rather than Forster for 9m today rather than 7m in 2 weeks? What about 9m now or 8.75m in 2 weeks? No business should be ****ing away svn £250k when they don't have to. Football is full of ridiculous money but starting to treat it carelessly won't get you very far. That said, if the club doesn't value 1-2m very highly, and most clubs will get a transfer wrong or overpay by that much, wouldn't it be nice to see that spent reducing ticket prices? Cortese wasted millions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukin Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Yes he does....but you have asked why De Vrijs would want to come here. Well why is Vlaar at Villa using your logic? Surely he is too good for them and should be playing for a Champions League side having been a World Cup semi finalist? I would be rather surprised if De Vrij signed for Southampton (Soushampten as we dutch like to call it). Last season Koeman stripped away De Vrij's captaincy and giving it to Pellè after finding out he was doing extra training with a personal trainer, unknowingly of Feyenoord. This apparantly caused quite a rift between the two. Rumors in Holland are that Feyenoord is still waiting for Man. United to make a bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Cortese wasted millions True. We could have has £15m worth of training ground improvements for £15m, rather than £30m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Perhaps this article might make for interesting reading at this time. And maybe it should be reposted every transfer window? http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/truth-behind-transfer-window-rumour-mill That is a very good read, cheers MInty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I would be rather surprised if De Vrij signed for Southampton (Soushampten as we dutch like to call it). Last season Koeman stripped away De Vrij's captaincy and giving it to Pellè after finding out he was doing extra training with a personal trainer, unknowingly of Feyenoord. This apparantly caused quite a rift between the two. Rumors in Holland are that Feyenoord is still waiting for Man. United to make a bid. Thanks for the info. Why do you think he was doing that? Was Koeman not working them hard enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I would be rather surprised if De Vrij signed for Southampton (Soushampten as we dutch like to call it). Last season Koeman stripped away De Vrij's captaincy and giving it to Pellè after finding out he was doing extra training with a personal trainer, unknowingly of Feyenoord. This apparantly caused quite a rift between the two. Rumors in Holland are that Feyenoord is still waiting for Man. United to make a bid. 'Personal trainer'? Does that mean what I think it does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkoUK Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I try to avoid any anti-German stuff, it gets too depressing that anyone still thinks that way. Bayern are right though, it's insane that clubs try to get money out of season tickets like that when the transfer fees etc are so so high. I know most clubs don't have that, but let's be honest, every premier league club has sufficient income that losing a million or 2 from ticket sales would mean slight cut backs elsewhere, maybe not spending so readily? Haggling over fees more? If all clubs did that, all would have to lower their transfer fees a bit. As it is, we have people on here saying pay the extra million or 2 to get a player, and some clubs seem to do that. It does annoy me that ticket prices stop so many people from attending and we get empty seats, while unbelievable sums of money are flowing through the game elsewhere. Every premier league ground should be 99% full each week or something is clearly wrong with the pricing given the popularity of the sport and league. Although I believe in the principle of cheap season tickets, I wouldn't toot Uli Hoeness' horn too much taking this into consideration: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/13/uli-hoeness-sentenced-three-and-a-half-years-prison-tax-evasion-germany But if it wasn't for that 'outside' tarnish, Hoeness and German football as a whole has a great way of thinking. As I believe a full crowd that cheap season tickets would grant you is worth as much as having a £10-20 mill player. Taking the old cliche that the crowd acts as a 12th man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Thanks for the info. Why do you think he was doing that? Was Koeman not working them hard enough? Probably Van Gaal giving them a special programme or something. Isn't there some sort of animosity between Van Gaal and Koeman nowadays ? Van Gaal has his own way of doing things, like the synthetic training pitches to be installed for Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Probably Van Gaal giving them a special programme or something. Isn't there some sort of animosity between Van Gaal and Koeman nowadays ? Van Gaal has his own way of doing thins, like the synthetic training pitches to be installed for Utd. Yeah could be. Would be interesting to know why he felt the need to do that. I hope we keep our fitness levels from last season, using the ball straight away suggests our training could be less intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Yeah could be. Would be interesting to know why he felt the need to do that. I hope we keep our fitness levels from last season, using the ball straight away suggests our training could be less intense. Beneficial for the youngsters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Yeah could be. Would be interesting to know why he felt the need to do that. I hope we keep our fitness levels from last season, using the ball straight away suggests our training could be less intense. Pretty sure Pochettino had the balls out from day one last year... can't recall specifics though. Just having the balls out from day one doesn't imply we won't keep our fitness levels up... but without knowing the full extent of the training compared to last year, difficult to know much more than what we can work out from what we see on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukin Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Thanks for the info. Why do you think he was doing that? Was Koeman not working them hard enough? In Holland we have totally different standards. It's more important for defenders to have a good technique and passing movement than actually being able to take out your opponent with physique. Players like De Vrij and Vlaar found out their physique wasn't good enough to dominate strong foreign strikers while playing in the Dutch national team. Feyenoord rather wants to focus on the technique-part, so they secretly started extra workouts with a personal trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Cortese wasted millions And earned millions more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 In Holland we have totally different standards. It's more important for defenders to have a good technique and passing movement than actually being able to take out your opponent with physique. Players like De Vrij and Vlaar found out their physique wasn't good enough to dominate strong foreign strikers while playing in the Dutch national team. Feyenoord rather wants to focus on the technique-part, so they secretly started extra workouts with a personal trainer. Interesting stuff. Pretty strange that Koeman would find a player doing extra training as a negative thing, surely it'd be a good thing that a player would want technique and physical strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Pretty sure Pochettino had the balls out from day one last year... can't recall specifics though. Just having the balls out from day one doesn't imply we won't keep our fitness levels up... but without knowing the full extent of the training compared to last year, difficult to know much more than what we can work out from what we see on the pitch. Don't think he did or not to the same degree as the players have openly said - it was more or less penal colony running for the early part, followed by more running in the searing Spanish sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukin Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Interesting stuff. Pretty strange that Koeman would find a player doing extra training as a negative thing, surely it'd be a good thing that a player would want technique and physical strength. Well, it wasn't the fact that he was doing extra training that ****ed him off, it was that Feyenoord wasn't consulted about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Well, it wasn't the fact that he was doing extra training that ****ed him off, it was that Feyenoord wasn't consulted about it. And was Van Gaal involved or did the player just do it off his own bat (English idiom meaning of his own free will) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Over training or training of the wrong sort is as big a problem as under training. Professional clubs have structured programmes which monitor every players physical response - from which you can determine what they individually need. doing your own training on the side makes no sense. Anyone remeber how Lallana came back from close season in 2012 looking like he'd been doing weights and steroids? took him months to lose it and gain the mobility he had before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11358202.Saints_set_for_new_Forster_bid_after_Celtic_reject_opening_offer/?ref=var_0 New bids to be made for Forster and Redmond according to the Echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11358202.Saints_set_for_new_Forster_bid_after_Celtic_reject_opening_offer/?ref=var_0 New bids to be made for Forster and Redmond according to the Echo Would be too sound additions - happy with both of them. Redmond would be brilliant in a Koeman side IMO. Tadic one side, Redmond the other, Pelle up top - could be quite tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Would be too sound additions - happy with both of them. Redmond would be brilliant in a Koeman side IMO. Tadic one side, Redmond the other, Pelle up top - could be quite tasty. we need to stop with the derisory bids not that I believe we are. Just Celtic playing to their crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 we need to stop with the derisory bids not that I believe we are. Just Celtic playing to their crowd You never start high though, go in at a respectable level (7.5m for Forster is pretty respectable) and negotiate there after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Forster would be good. Redmond on the other hand - no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Perhaps this article might make for interesting reading at this time. And maybe it should be reposted every transfer window? http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/truth-behind-transfer-window-rumour-mill What one has always suspected, but it is interesting to have some confirmation. I wonder how much applies to us? Quite a bit, I would imagine. All of this playing one club against another to raise the price has benefited us, no doubt about it, but when we come to buy, we will see the other side of the coin. What I take with a giant pinch of salt, are the stories that are headlined "X" club has moved ahead of "Y" in the race to sign whichever player. How do they really know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Forster would be good. Redmond on the other hand - no thanks. 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 True. We could have has £15m worth of training ground improvements for £15m, rather than £30m Still, the Willy Wonka style lift with one key rounds it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Forster would be good. Redmond on the other hand - no thanks. Thought he looked decent against us and for the England U21's when I've seen him. Exactly the sort of player we can buy and improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 He is young and bound to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 He is young and bound to improve. How's his appetite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Dunno but his parking is as shit as his haircut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Dunno but his parking is as shit as his haircut. If he signs with Saints he'll be able to afford a Corsa GT with big bore exhaust (and a less shi t hat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Thought he looked decent against us and for the England U21's when I've seen him. Exactly the sort of player we can buy and improve. If, as the pre-season friendlies suggest, we are to play 4-3-3 this season with two wingers either side of a striker then I can see the attraction with Redmond. He's rapid and is definitely a winger. He is young and quite experienced as well. But he plays so stupidly. Every time he hangs onto the ball too long, or runs into a dead end, or cuts inside and shoots. It's infuriating. The Norwich strikers get stick but they had sod all created for them last season. Redmond is a selfish player who hasn't shown signs of learning. Now I agree that if he could be turned into a proper footballer he'd be dangerous indeed but when will the penny drop with him and how long would our supporters put up with his style of play when we've been used to a pass first team for a long time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 As unreliable as Goal is, I want to believe there is more to the Rojo story. He fits exactly our policy of signing up and coming players who are just establishing themselves as internationals. It is also worth noting that he is equally comfortable at centre back as he is left back which could kill two birds with one stone (in terms of additional central cover). This would also mean a bit of flexibility to allow Targett to progress through as and when he is ready. As its an exciting link (tenuous or not) here's the obligatory video - So on one hand we're struggling to stump up the cash for a 2nd choice keeper from Celtic, but it's perfectly feasible for us to sign one of the best young LB's in the World? Riiiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 So on one hand we're struggling to stump up the cash for a 2nd choice keeper from Celtic, but it's perfectly feasible for us to sign one of the best young LB's in the World? Riiiight. why will forster be 2nd choice? why do people think like that a fee like that, he will be directly competing for a start and more importantly, be Koemans man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 So on one hand we're struggling to stump up the cash for a 2nd choice keeper from Celtic, but it's perfectly feasible for us to sign one of the best young LB's in the World? Riiiight. Depends if we are actually struggling to stump up the cash or if that was just our opening offer in the negotiations. I hope it's the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 DAILY STAR: Southampton will battle Deportivo La Coruna for River Plate’s £7m-rated striker Teofilo Gutierrez. I would change my username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 So on one hand we're struggling to stump up the cash for a 2nd choice keeper from Celtic, but it's perfectly feasible for us to sign one of the best young LB's in the World? Riiiight. Why do we have to be "struggling to do something" in order to be refusing to pay a price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 So on one hand we're struggling to stump up the cash for a 2nd choice keeper from Celtic, but it's perfectly feasible for us to sign one of the best young LB's in the World? Riiiight. Those are some strange conclusions you are jumping to. Why do you think he'd be second choice? What makes you think Saints are "struggling to stump up the cash"? It makes sense as the buyer in a negotiation to start low, the seller to set the price high and then you try to come to an agreement. If Saints went straight in with a big bid they could be spending more than they need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Forster would be good. Redmond on the other hand - no thanks. Agreed that it's a thin line between signing players with potential and adding quantity over quality, but I think both could be on the right side of that, and at least we're not overpaying for Fer or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Thought he looked decent against us and for the England U21's when I've seen him. Exactly the sort of player we can buy and improve. I'm not particularly enthusiastic about Redmond, but could it be he's used as a temporary fix until Rodriguez is able to come back into the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm not particularly enthusiastic about Redmond, but could it be he's used as a temporary fix until Rodriguez is able to come back into the first team? At the right price it would be a good deal IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm not particularly enthusiastic about Redmond, but could it be he's used as a temporary fix until Rodriguez is able to come back into the first team? Plus adds squad depth where otherwise we'd have one player per position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 So on one hand we're struggling to stump up the cash for a 2nd choice keeper from Celtic, but it's perfectly feasible for us to sign one of the best young LB's in the World? Riiiight. Give me strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 why will forster be 2nd choice? why do people think like that a fee like that, he will be directly competing for a start and more importantly, be Koemans man We should under no circumstances be buying a second choice keeper. And if pay eight million for a goalie he clearly won't be second choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Redmond......another N'guessan signing. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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