saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Typical that it's fashionable now for Jos to be the forum whipping boy. No he isn't good enough to start and should ideally be used as little as possible but wil we get a better 4th choice? Hoolveld really struggled when we first came up, but so did everyone and he didn't help having Davis behind him and Fox to his left. Lets not forget Hoolveld played in two of our best performances towards the end of the first season when we beat Liverpool and Chelsea. Not following any fashion, and he hasn't just become whipping boy. Its been apparent from the moment we came up that he is well out of his depth. Nice guy, and great for squad morale but not a viable option for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Are they? There is a huge gulf in quality between Boruc and his current replacements Gazzaniga/Davis. Forster and Boruc fighting it out gives us better squad depth in that position than ever before. I guess what he means is that of the top level GKs you rarely see any who stand out as being head and shoulders above their peers in the way that Ronaldo, Suarez etc do That is exactly what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Forster would probably be a decent signing, however I can't see Boruc willing to warm the bench so he'd probably want to move on leaving us back at square one in the GK department, good first choice keeper but inadequate back up. Think as backup Kelvin's not terrible but his injury record last season would worry me. Maybe that's why they want to replace Boruc with someone younger who hopefully won't have so many fitness issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Yes we can get a better 4th choice. We sign a first choice cb and then yoshida becomes 4th choice. I'm not sure why people are finding this concept so hard to grasp. Its how every single team in professional sport evolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Nonsense. He might make a few mistakes (what player doesn't?) but his leadership ability within a first XI is worth it's weight in gold. FWIW Lovren led the defense last season. Fonte had a good season, but that was more to do with Lovren being in charge than any new found footballing ability. Fonte will make a great No.3 option for CB, Yoshida No.4 (Jos should go to Liverpool) but we really need to nail down positions 1 & 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 FWIW Lovren led the defense last season. Fonte had a good season, but that was more to do with Lovren being in charge than any new found footballing ability. Fonte will make a great No.3 option for CB, Yoshida No.4 (Jos should go to Liverpool) but we really need to nail down positions 1 & 2. Exactly how it was with Svensson and Lundekvam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm not sure why people are finding this concept so hard to grasp. Its how every single team in professional sport evolves. I think you're struggling even more with the basic concept of 'priority'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think you're struggling even more with the basic concept of 'priority'. I fully understand what priority means thank you. I'm not suggesting we should go out and buy someone to specifically be 4th choice. I'm saying at the start of last season we all agreed we must sign a CB to replace Fonte. It turned out that Lovren was the perfect partner for him though and undoubtedly raised his game. It remains to be seen how he will react to Lovren leaving, but I think that will need addressing at some point in the not too distant future. Combine all that with the threadbare backup options and that is why I'm saying we need two centre backs. Lovren Fonte Yoshida Jos Replacement Replacement Fonte Yoshida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm not sure why people are finding this concept so hard to grasp. Its how every single team in professional sport evolves. If you have unlimited resources you can do like that but you also have to factor in that some players wont be happy as 4th choice while others might be ok with it. Let´s say you could sell Yoshida for £3-4m and have Hooiveld as 4th choice or you could have Yoshida as 4th choice and Hooiveld leaving on a free, what would you do? Could you find usage of those £3-4m elsewhere in transfer funds or maybe use in wages to get someone better in in another position or is the difference in quality between Yoshida and Hooiveld that big that you rather miss out on that extra money just to have Yoshida there....? How much during a normal season do you have to use your 4th choice CB.... It´s always a balance that the management has to make decisions on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 If you have unlimited resources you can do like that but you also have to factor in that some players wont be happy as 4th choice while others might be ok with it. Let´s say you could sell Yoshida for £3-4m and have Hooiveld as 4th choice or you could have Yoshida as 4th choice and Hooiveld leaving on a free, what would you do? Could you find usage of those £3-4m elsewhere in transfer funds or maybe use in wages to get someone better in in another position or is the difference in quality between Yoshida and Hooiveld that big that you rather miss out on that extra money just to have Yoshida there....? How much during a normal season do you have to use your 4th choice CB.... It´s always a balance that the management has to make decisions on... That's a fair point and I fully appreciate that. However we have just brought in circa £60 million, there should be no need to compromise IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 (edited) BBC Solent Sport @solentsport 1m Our colleagues at @BBCSportScot report that Celtic have rejected a bid from #SaintsFC for goalkeeper @FraserForster. Not close to £7.5m tho. Nabil Hassan @NabilHassan79 5m Sorry, this addition from @BBCSportScot on Forster to #saintsfc: 'The offer made was derisory & well below the figures reported of £7.5m'. Edited 22 July, 2014 by saint_ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport 1m Our colleagues at @BBCSportScot report that Celtic have rejected a bid from #SaintsFC for goalkeeper @FraserForster. Not close to £7.5m tho. Bit worried about the fact we are offering low fees along with the quote from Koeman about vlaar being expensive. Hopefully we will up our bid and offer something sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Bit worried about the fact we are offering low fees. Hopefully we will up our bid and offer something sensible. I'm sure we will. We're just testing the water I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Bit worried about the fact we are offering low fees along with the quote from Koeman about vlaar being expensive. Hopefully we will up our bid and offer something sensible. My suggestion in this case would be pay the money and get it done, we need to shift our situation to that with a positive outlook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Bit worried about the fact we are offering low fees along with the quote from Koeman about vlaar being expensive. Hopefully we will up our bid and offer something sensible. Bit two faced of us stating we will only sell a player at a price dictated by us ....then when another team is selling we offer way below what they asking even though they dont want to sell. You could get to the end of August and sign anyone doing it that way ....but it would appear you have been trying very hard .....just saying . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Ben Foster's now out of the equation. He's signed a new 4 year deal with..........West Brom! Surely we could have proposed a better option. Obviously not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 My suggestion in this case would be pay the money and get it done, we need to shift our situation to that with a positive outlook Agree. As well as being a good signing, we need it for pr reasons as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport 1m Our colleagues at @BBCSportScot report that Celtic have rejected a bid from #SaintsFC for goalkeeper @FraserForster. Not close to £7.5m tho. Nabil Hassan @NabilHassan79 5m Sorry, this addition from @BBCSportScot on Forster to #saintsfc: 'The offer made was derisory & well below the figures reported of £7.5m'. Isn't that almost a word for word replay of the first Pelle bid? That one turned out ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Bit two faced of us stating we will only sell a player at a price dictated by us ....then when another team is selling we offer way below what they asking even though they dont want to sell. You could get to the end of August and sign anyone doing it that way ....but it would appear you have been trying very hard .....just saying . It's not two faced at all. Seller starts off far too high. Purchaser start off far too low. You try and meet somewhere in the middle. If it isn't mutually acceptable to both then it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Seems to have all gone quite about that Red Panda. Are we signing him or not? Off to a Chinese club offering more bamboo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Agreed but there is a difference between derisory and a good starting point ! Second time we have been reported as making an offer way below the asking price for a keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 No wonder the new signings are taking time if we are offering such derisory fees!? Don't think we should be cavalier but we are meant to have another £40-£50 million to spend and that is not taking into account any further sales of Lovren , Osvaldo and probably Morgan. Surely we must roughly know with most of our targets what it is likely to cost to the land them and what sort of wages they are looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 we're good at derisory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Goal Exclusive reporting we have made a move for Argentinian LB Rojo from Sporting Lisbon Best left back at the world cup. I've not seen any rumours on him. He would be an improvement on Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I expect people are rubbing their hands waiting for our calls. They know we have money burning a hole in our pocket so they are expecting us to pay top dollar. We have been holding out for top dollar with our players so who can blame them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 As unreliable as Goal is, I want to believe there is more to the Rojo story. He fits exactly our policy of signing up and coming players who are just establishing themselves as internationals. It is also worth noting that he is equally comfortable at centre back as he is left back which could kill two birds with one stone (in terms of additional central cover). This would also mean a bit of flexibility to allow Targett to progress through as and when he is ready. As its an exciting link (tenuous or not) here's the obligatory video - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Course they going to go in low. If they went in at £8m Celtic would just ask for £11m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 As unreliable as Goal is, I want to believe there is more to the Rojo story. He fits exactly our policy of signing up and coming players who are just establishing themselves as internationals. It is also worth noting that he is equally comfortable at centre back as he is left back which could kill two birds with one stone (in terms of additional central cover). This would also mean a bit of flexibility to allow Targett to progress through as and when he is ready. As its an exciting link (tenuous or not) here's the obligatory video - Agree, he'd be perfect. Here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Course they going to go in low. If they went in at £8m Celtic would just ask for £11m. Sorry, you're dealing with forum expertise here, a world where people just accept the first offer put in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I expect people are rubbing their hands waiting for our calls. They know we have money burning a hole in our pocket so they are expecting us to pay top dollar. We have been holding out for top dollar with our players so who can blame them? We need to start wildly pi$*ing money away. You can't take it with you so lets start buying Argentinian/Dutch/Portuguese, etc men! O wait.... Seriously, time to go bonkers with the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Rojo would be an absolutely brilliant signing in so many ways. A World Cup finalist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Rojo would be an absolutely brilliant signing in so many ways. A World Cup finalist! Agree, but I fear we may get beaten to him by a bigger fish. Celtic apparently looking for close to £10mil for Forster, dont think he's worth anywhere near that, 7.5mil is about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Agree, but I fear we may get beaten to him by one of the big fish. Celtic apparently looking for close to £10mil for Forster, dont think he's worth anywhere near that, 7.5mil is about right. Yeah, you can't put too much trust in Goal.com. But Liverpool and Chelsea are the only names I've seen mentioned. With Chelsea sorting left back with Filipe Luis it might just be that lot again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkoUK Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Rojo would be an absolutely brilliant signing in so many ways. A World Cup finalist! Is it pathetic that I don't want us to sign him because he has a stupid tattoo on his neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Is it pathetic that I don't want us to sign him because he has a stupid tattoo on his neck? You want the honest answer or the lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Key thing isn't if Celtic want to sell, because they have shown at the right price that they always will (much like us). They key is that Forster must be keen on the move, for us to have put a bid in. As we have seen with our own players, once that happens often its just a matter of time, lots of posturing from both clubs, then it happens. Would be a good addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Is it pathetic that I don't want us to sign him because he has a stupid tattoo on his neck? I also thought it looked awful when I saw it at the world cup. Lots of South American players seem to have sketchy line-drawn type tattoos though, saw a few other poor examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Is it pathetic that I don't want us to sign him because he has a stupid tattoo on his neck? In isolation its pathetic, but teamed with the slopey forehead and spots, its an informed view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm fed up of talking about potential signings now. Much more fun to talk about actual signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm fed up of talking about potential signings now. Much more fun to talk about actual signings Start new threads about Pellé and Tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Key thing isn't if Celtic want to sell, because they have shown at the right price that they always will (much like us). They key is that Forster must be keen on the move, for us to have put a bid in. As we have seen with our own players, once that happens often its just a matter of time, lots of posturing from both clubs, then it happens. Would be a good addition. Exactly. Saints would have sounded Forster out about a move, most likely via Watson. The fact we have made a bid means Forster is definitely interested. Having players head turned basically ensures the deal gets done eventually. This is how the system works rightly or wrongly. Difference being Liverpool have used the media to do there dirty work as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Seems odd to haggle over a million quid or so to me. Although it's not my money so why should I care. Pay the 9mil and let's go. Aah, a man who speaks my language! Pay it, move on to the next target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Especially seeing as we can buy these players without spending any bugeted cash as I assume player sales were not factored into anything going by Reed's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Very few football teams success are defined by who their 4th choice CB is.... I think you maybe wrong there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 It's not two faced at all. Seller starts off far too high. Purchaser start off far too low. You try and meet somewhere in the middle. If it isn't mutually acceptable to both then it won't happen. Spot on , if they accepted the first bid it was probably too high - no harm in trying to get what you want cheaper is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Key thing isn't if Celtic want to sell, because they have shown at the right price that they always will (much like us). They key is that Forster must be keen on the move, for us to have put a bid in. As we have seen with our own players, once that happens often its just a matter of time, lots of posturing from both clubs, then it happens. Would be a good addition. I guess whether they make the group stages of the CL may prove a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm not convinced that Man U are in for De Vrij. He'd be there by now if they wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Already getting the sense people want us to **** our money away as soon as possible. How many would rather than Forster for 9m today rather than 7m in 2 weeks? What about 9m now or 8.75m in 2 weeks? No business should be ****ing away svn £250k when they don't have to. Football is full of ridiculous money but starting to treat it carelessly won't get you very far. That said, if the club doesn't value 1-2m very highly, and most clubs will get a transfer wrong or overpay by that much, wouldn't it be nice to see that spent reducing ticket prices? What about 9 now or 8.75 on the 31st of August? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 ... Saw this yesterday. Only enhances my respect for Germany. Not that that is allowed round here apparently. We're all meant to hate them, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Already getting the sense people want us to **** our money away as soon as possible. How many would rather than Forster for 9m today rather than 7m in 2 weeks? What about 9m now or 8.75m in 2 weeks? No business should be ****ing away svn £250k when they don't have to. Football is full of ridiculous money but starting to treat it carelessly won't get you very far. That said, if the club doesn't value 1-2m very highly, and most clubs will get a transfer wrong or overpay by that much, wouldn't it be nice to see that spent reducing ticket prices? Once again you're far to busy riding you're high horse to see the actual points being made, that sort of comitment to your pretencious cause has to be applauded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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