Chez Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 The clubs intentions have been to utilise the academy in way to offset the amount of sales. Matt has been earmarked for the first team slot for a while - it will be him. There is no urgency at the club to sign a new LB fwiw. Matt is that highly thought of. Has anyone actually seen him play? His name is bandied about a lot on here, but I haven't really read anything suggesting he's the next big thing. If he is good enough fine, but the academy well will eventually run dry. It's not a talent conveyor belt, we've just had a very good patch. Young players will keep coming through, I have no doubt about that, but at this level it's about finding one or two absolute top quality players, as we have in Shaw and chambers, not a never ending supply of alright players.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 Jay has been owed a new contract for a little while now - basically ever since he racked up 45 appearances for us. Maybe the injury has left doubt in the minds of Saints but really he should be given his contract in good faith.
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 Didn't somebody here post a picture of him in Antigua on the day you said he was at Staplewood? As much as I would love Caulker, I think he'll be lured back to London (and by 'Arry flashing his brown envelopes about) The photo was posted on twitter 5 days before he was there Probably posted deliberately to keep Cardiff fans happy!!
ThreeSixty Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 Has anyone actually seen him play? His name is bandied about a lot on here, but I haven't really read anything suggesting he's the next big thing. If he is good enough fine, but the academy well will eventually run dry. It's not a talent conveyor belt, we've just had a very good patch. Young players will keep coming through, I have no doubt about that, but at this level it's about finding one or two absolute top quality players, as we have in Shaw and chambers, not a never ending supply of alright players. I've seen him a couple of times. Physically miles behind Shaw and Chambers.
The Cat Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 Has anyone actually seen him play? I've seen him a few times. Good all round player, but never as noticeable as Shaw was in the U18's where it was achingly obvious to anyone with even a basic grasp of spotting potential that he was a class above. Obviously players develop at different rates and Shaw is a phenomenon in that respect. Maybe Targett will establish himself as a Premier League player but I'd hazard a guess that it will take him a few seasons to hit that level. Hopefully I'll be wrong and it won't take him quite that long. One thing he does have is a much better passing range and far superior crossing technique than Shaw.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 I've seen him a few times. Good all round player, but never as noticeable as Shaw was in the U18's where it was achingly obvious to anyone with even a basic grasp of spotting potential that he was a class above. Obviously players develop at different rates and Shaw is a phenomenon in that respect. Maybe Targett will establish himself as a Premier League player but I'd hazard a guess that it will take him a few seasons to hit that level. Hopefully I'll be wrong and it won't take him quite that long. One thing he does have is a much better passing range and far superior crossing technique than Shaw. The reason Shaw stood out was he was so far ahead physically than other players. As said, technically Targett is better and hopefully in the last year he has matured physically as well. I am excited for him, that's for sure.
sydneysaint17 Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 Has anyone actually seen him play? His name is bandied about a lot on here, but I haven't really read anything suggesting he's the next big thing. If he is good enough fine, but the academy well will eventually run dry. It's not a talent conveyor belt, we've just had a very good patch. Young players will keep coming through, I have no doubt about that, but at this level it's about finding one or two absolute top quality players, as we have in Shaw and chambers, not a never ending supply of alright players. Seen him 3/4 times and never been impressed (was dreadful when I saw the U21s get demolished by Exeter U21s last season). Clyne was preferred at LB last season and he is only just younger than Shaw. That said, Saints and England have stuck with him for a reason - players develop at different rates so you never know! Based on what I saw last year though, he isnt ready for first team football just yet.
Bucks Saint Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 The reason Shaw stood out was he was so far ahead physically than other players. As said, technically Targett is better and hopefully in the last year he has matured physically as well. I am excited for him, that's for sure. Sounds great. Physical development will come for sure. Technical ability is natural and may not always be coached
laughba Posted 3 July, 2014 Posted 3 July, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9370391/transfer-news-southampton-lead-race-for-swedish-winger-nabil-bahoui Saints Leading race for Nabil Bahoui.....
Saint Charlie Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 West Ham signing Diego Poyet. Definitely a shift in their transfer policy towards younger players.
saint_ed Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 West Ham signing Diego Poyet. Definitely a shift in their transfer policy towards younger players. They seem to be on a mission, they've already made one or two good signings. I can only hope the reason we haven't gone for Cresswell is that we are aiming higher...
saint_ed Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Am I still allowed to hope we sign Daley Blind once Netherland are out? Covers LB and DM. Could replace Shaw and Morgan in one excellent move while giving more opportunities to Targett, JWP and Reed. I think there's a good chance we are hoping we might be able to get him, but I think there will be bigger clubs in the mix.
Wade Garrett Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 We have bids in for 2 players, neither of which have completed. We have a manager who is less than a week into the job. We have our best defender and midfielder reportedly leaving as well. It would be easy to be more than a little worried about how things are going. I have confidence in the board and management, though it would seem they really need to get a shift on with players in.
Badger Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 We have bids in for 2 players, neither of which have completed. We have a manager who is less than a week into the job. We have our best defender and midfielder reportedly leaving as well. It would be easy to be more than a little worried about how things are going. I have confidence in the board and management, though it would seem they really need to get a shift on with players in. Are these bids, in addition to the known bids for Pelle and Tadic ?
S-Clarke Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Are these bids, in addition to the known bids for Pelle and Tadic ? I think he's referring to Pelle and Tadic tbh.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 West Ham signing Diego Poyet. Definitely a shift in their transfer policy towards younger players. I see they've signed Cresswell as well, we obviously weren't interested in him then, must have other targets at LB I suppose.
Wade Garrett Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Are these bids, in addition to the known bids for Pelle and Tadic ? They're the players I'm talking about.
Heisenberg Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 They're the players I'm talking about. Havent we bid for Danny Ings too?
Wade Garrett Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Havent we bid for Danny Ings too? I don't know, but it could be another one that may be be proving a bit tricky getting over the line.
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Disappointed to see Cresswell going to WHU and Caulker to QPR. I thought both would have been excellent signings for Saints. Have to admit that I'm nervous about who we will sign in those areas.
Suhari Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Disappointed to see Cresswell going to WHU and Caulker to QPR. I thought both would have been excellent signings for Saints. Have to admit that I'm nervous about who we will sign in those areas. Agree up to a point. Maybe though our targets are still playing somewhere in South America? Wishful thinking?
del boy Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Its going to be difficult to negotiate when everyone knows we have £100M to spend - lucky we still have the watches as our trump card
revolution saint Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Agree up to a point. Maybe though our targets are still playing somewhere in South America? Wishful thinking? Probably but not out of the question. Other deals could be dependent on what WC players do though - Player X will only be sold if player Y currently in the WC signs etc. I'd imagine the whole merry go round will start in earnest once the WC is over.
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Now that Burnley have announced signing of Marvin Sordell, hoping Danny Ings moves a step closer to saints move
Window Cleaner Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Probably but not out of the question. Other deals could be dependent on what WC players do though - Player X will only be sold if player Y currently in the WC signs etc. I'd imagine the whole merry go round will start in earnest once the WC is over. the WC is over for 3/4 of the teams already, just the elite 7 and Costa Rica left, can't see too many of them containing players who'd want to play for us.
saint1977 Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Now that Burnley have announced signing of Marvin Sordell, hoping Danny Ings moves a step closer to saints move Not only that, but a friend living in Lancs says they are also reported in the local media up there to have had a sizeable bid turned down for Troy Deeney as well although their second offer is expected to be accepted. Sounds like Ings is on the move. Wouldn't mind us moving for Deeney either, always thought he's got a nice balance of athleticism, power and composure, consistency has been his issue but has done very well in the last two seasons, even though Watford went backwards overall last year.
Chez Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Disappointed to see Cresswell going to WHU and Caulker to QPR. I thought both would have been excellent signings for Saints. Have to admit that I'm nervous about who we will sign in those areas. Also disappointed to see Cresswell go to West Ham. I've not seen him play myself, but but pretty much every man and his dog was aware he was Ipswich's best player over the last two seasons. Caulker connections with twitcher will go a long way. Is he really any good though? The way Spurs discarded him suggests he had/has a lot of weaknesses in his game. He looked pretty good at St Marys, but no where near in John Stones' class.
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Ings would be ok for the right price, what kind of money is being rumoured? 5mill or less would be ok.
Foxstone Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Also disappointed to see Cresswell go to West Ham. I've not seen him play myself, but but pretty much every man and his dog was aware he was Ipswich's best player over the last two seasons. Caulker connections with twitcher will go a long way. Is he really any good though? The way Spurs discarded him suggests he had/has a lot of weaknesses in his game. He looked pretty good at St Marys, but no where near in John Stones' class. Agree with being disappointed we missed out on Cresswell. Not concerned by Caulker going with twitchy though - Although decent at set pieces (attack and defence), he has the turning circle of dinosaur in a corridor - Think Jos in other words...
revolution saint Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 the WC is over for 3/4 of the teams already, just the elite 7 and Costa Rica left, can't see too many of them containing players who'd want to play for us. And I didn't say there were. I said that it's possible that some of the players we'd like to sign might only become available after the futures of WC players have been decided. A bit like the chain when you move house. Didn't think it was that difficult a concept to grasp.....
Give it to Ron Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Ings would be ok for the right price, what kind of money is being rumoured? 5mill or less would be ok. Do you think they would accept less than what we paid for JayRod?
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Do you think they would accept less than what we paid for JayRod? Yes, he's got less then a year left on his contract and isn't as good.
DuncanRG Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 To be fair Ings is much better than Rodriguez was when he left Burnley I think they'll hold out for around £10m but if Danny wants to come they'll let him go for less.
Beckenham Saint Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Ings would be ok for the right price, what kind of money is being rumoured? 5mill or less would be ok. Burnley want £8 million for him.
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Burnley want £8 million for him. Should just tell them we'll sign him next summer for free then. They'll soon knock a good few mill off, especially considering he could well flop in the prem and be worth even less
Give it to Ron Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Yes, he's got less then a year left on his contract and isn't as good. Burnley and Ings are now Premiership whereas Jay was a Championship striker :-) there is a premium
Beckenham Saint Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Should just tell them we'll sign him next summer for free then. They'll soon knock a good few mill off, especially considering he could well flop in the prem and be worth even less Or he could have a good season and end up at a club who either do better than us in the league or show more willing to sign him than that...
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Or he could have a good season and end up at a club who either do better than us in the league or show more willing to sign him than that... I'm not remotely worried about the prospect of losing out on signing Danny Ings to a bigger club. It's Danny Ings ffs.
Snopper Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 I thinks he should threaten to strike and force a move to his spiritual home, to be fair.
Beckenham Saint Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 I'm not remotely worried about the prospect of losing out on signing Danny Ings to a bigger club. It's Danny Ings ffs. I'm not 'worried' either but it would be good to have him in the squad though. We are going to need players to slot in to cover for injuries and suspensions as that's where we struggled last year and we could do a lot worse for that than Danny Ings ffs(!)
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 I'm not 'worried' either but it would be good to have him in the squad though. We are going to need players to slot in to cover for injuries and suspensions as that's where we struggled last year and we could do a lot worse for that than Danny Ings ffs(!) Same, and 4/5mill is an acceptable amount of money to spend on a backup striker.
S-Clarke Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Now that Burnley have announced signing of Marvin Sordell, hoping Danny Ings moves a step closer to saints move Just seen they've signed Matt Taylor as well as Sordell - what a couple of truly **** signings for Burnley. They're not championship any more.
Beckenham Saint Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Same, and 4/5mill is an acceptable amount of money to spend on a backup striker. Clubs will now know we have money to spare and will take advantage of that by holding out for more. They also know that we need new players, and specifically a new striker and so will use that to hold out for more. While spending £4/5m would be ideal, due to our circumstances I suspect it unlikely that we will get anyone for that figure. Burnley also don't need to sell Danny Ings, so will expect a higher fee in order to part with him. £8m is probably around what we will have to pay for a young, talented, English player given our circumstances.
DT Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 Burnley want £8 million for him. Fair price, especially if it helps keep Jay Rod and keep him happy. Just pay it, Saints.
DuncanRG Posted 4 July, 2014 Posted 4 July, 2014 What gives you that impression? Rodriguez scored more and did it for more than one season, and looked like a decent all round player. IMO he was also playing in a higher standard of championship then. You've got a point about consistency, but last season Ings was unreal. Wouldn't have got promoted without him, because he won them so many games on his own. I'll admit that I didn't pay any attention to Rodriguez/Burnley until we were in the Championship but I didn't think he was quite so integral to the team.
SO16_Saint Posted 5 July, 2014 Posted 5 July, 2014 Colombia left-back Pablo Armero is a transfer target for Arsenal and Southampton, according to ESPN. http://t.co/7X28DdCfeM
DuncanRG Posted 5 July, 2014 Posted 5 July, 2014 (edited) Colombia left-back Pablo Armero is a transfer target for Arsenal and Southampton, according to ESPN. http://t.co/7X28DdCfeM He would be an absolutely terrific signing if we could get him Edited 5 July, 2014 by DuncanRG
Badger Posted 5 July, 2014 Posted 5 July, 2014 He would be an absolutely terrific signing if we could get him Why didn't West Ham keep him ?
Batman Posted 5 July, 2014 Posted 5 July, 2014 Why didn't West Ham keep him ? if I recall, he was pretty dire for west ham. I may be wrong though
DuncanRG Posted 5 July, 2014 Posted 5 July, 2014 He was signed as cover but hardly got a kick for whatever reason. I was watching a profile of the Colombia team before the World Cup and he looked very tidy indeed for them, Napoli and Udinese, not bad going forward and strong in the challenge. I say he'd be terrific because I think he solves the problem of signing an experienced player who's happy to compete with a youngster, and he wouldn't cost too much either. If you want someone with pedigree to compete with Targett, rather than Robertson who's only a bit older, then he's your man. Robertson sounds like a star for the future, though.
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