Cortese?

[SuperSAINT]

Don't waste your time.

 

Could have been a Ridsdale or a Storey or a Venkys or a Fernandes the list goes on but he wasn't. He got us to where we are through (in the main) very acute decision making surrounding himself with good, competent people and obviously a lot of cash.

 

It f****** amazes me when I think back to what a shower of **** we were, to the standard and strength of the team we have now and people disregard him because they feel he's not up to it and the accounts are a mess - allegedly.

 

I'm not getting drawn into a 10 page thread about why he wasn't up to it and will say no more. Thats why my post count is so low because I usually can't be arsed to get into debate about things like this but on this occasion, I couldn't help myself.

 

Funnily enough, I found my the old match-day program from the friendly we played after Markus / Nicola came into the club.

 

I looked through it and we really were down to bare bones - Think we'd been well beaten by Bournemouth before that game, and managed a 0-0 against a non-league club before that.

[Wes Tender]

Apparently according to the forum's half-wits and MUMs, Cortese is a quitter, only capable of managing a Championship club, left the finances in a poor state, blah, blah, blah.

 

One only has to look at those who are posting this sort of tripe to realise what nonsense it really is. That and the constant references to Cortese's lack of height, (but not stature). Not that anybody's height, weight, looks, generally have anything to do with their abilities to run a business successfully, but it is certainly a consideration when judging the mental capacities of Cortese's detractors that they feel the need to mention it. It's all very suggestive of infantile playground behaviour and quite sad that some have not yet grown out of it.

[Bucks Saint]

Apparently according to the forum's half-wits and MUMs, Cortese is a quitter, only capable of managing a Championship club, left the finances in a poor state, blah, blah, blah.

 

One only has to look at those who are posting this sort of tripe to realise what nonsense it really is. That and the constant references to Cortese's lack of height, (but not stature). Not that anybody's height, weight, looks, generally have anything to do with their abilities to run a business successfully, but it is certainly a consideration when judging the mental capacities of Cortese's detractors that they feel the need to mention it. It's all very suggestive of infantile playground behaviour and quite sad that some have not yet grown out of it.

 

humour has no place on SWF?

[scotty]

Can you dig that out please, just to be sure that you are not full of ****?

 

 

Windows suggests you enable your irony filter and reload the page.

[Bearsy]

Apparently according to the forum's half-wits and MUMs

 

bloody mums always slagging off cortese. The likes of bridge too far should be shamed of herselfs

[saintadjg]

Still the best chairman on the league in my eyes.id have him back in a heartbeat.

[Chez]

The last available accounts showed the club made a £900,000 profit for the final six months of 2012 and a wage bill that was 59% of turnover!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21712482

 

Not an indication of the books being in a "real mess", but actually as far as Premier League clubs go it is a relatively healthy financial position up to the start of 2013.

 

would the club have made a £900,000 profit if KL hadn't gifted the club £30m?

[Bearsy]

Still the best chairman on the league in my eyes.id have him back in a heartbeat.

 

 

how many prem chairmans could you even name?

 

General Levy @ Spurs

Huw Jenkins @ Swansea

Randy Lerner @ Aston Villa (i had beer with Paul Faulkner chief executive one time )

 

I'm prob a bit stuck after that tbh. i prob know some more owners but i'm not sure if they're chairmans. Is Delia chairman? I haven't even learned the name of our chairman yet, he's still hans grueber in my head.

Edited 20 March, 2014 by Bearsy

[offix]

Have NC's detractors forgotten who recommended the club to Marcus Liebherr and where where we would be if he hadn't?He took us out of L1 up to the Prem... Surely he deserves some credit for that?

 

Unbelievable how fast people forget the amazing things he did for us. I for one will always be grateful to him.

[Dellman]

Not only did NC get markus to buy us but he made a 5 year plan (which looked ridiculous at the time) and delivered on it. Short memories on this forum, more concerned about a car park cost or the kit colour. Thanks NC

[itchen]

humour has no place on SWF?

 

Apparentl., I've rarely seen any from forum "wits". Except Bearsy , of course. He makes me smile.

[saintadjg]

I guess we'll see how good the new guy is soon enough.im sure we'll see some offers for our stars in the summer if he's as good as The Don we'll either get totally stupid money or keep then.Personally I think it will be more like the old days where terms will be dictated by the buyers, I hope I'm wrong I truly do.

[Saint Garrett]

He did an outstanding job for us. No doubt about that. Could others have done a similar job? Don't know, maybe? But they didn't did they. He did do it and we should be very thankful to him. Could have worked out far worse. Loads of teams have had money and gone nowhere. Look at QPR.

[Solid Saint]

Not only did NC get markus to buy us but he made a 5 year plan (which looked ridiculous at the time) and delivered on it. Short memories on this forum, more concerned about a car park cost or the kit colour. Thanks NC

 

So true. We can only judge him on the results and what we know, which isn't a whole lot, granted.

 

That said I liked his style, I liked the way he wouldn't let himself, or the club, be pushed around. He was a massive part of the last few years and for that I will always be grateful to him.

[Window Cleaner]

Did we ever find out why Rogers had resigned and was due to leave within weeks of the " Big Bang" ??

 

Job not big enough for him? Didn't like the way things were run ? NC had caught him toadying to the Swiss? What ?

[hypochondriac]

Unbelievable how fast people forget the amazing things he did for us. I for one will always be grateful to him.

 

I afforded the same gratitude to cortese that he showed Adkins. I moved on a long time ago and am looking forward to our new leadership and the fan friendly approach. It seems that some are stuck in the past and can't move past it.

[buctootim]

I afforded the same gratitude to cortese that he showed Adkins.

 

touche

[Olallana]

I afforded the same gratitude to cortese that he showed Adkins. I moved on a long time ago and am looking forward to our new leadership and the fan friendly approach. It seems that some are stuck in the past and can't move past it.

 

You gave him many months salary without him having to work??

 

Impressive.

[Goatboy]

I afforded the same gratitude to cortese that he showed Adkins. I moved on a long time ago and am looking forward to our new leadership and the fan friendly approach. It seems that some are stuck in the past and can't move past it.

 

like

[waggy]

Rumours the books were in a real mess.

Kat had no idea where money was going, hence the quick intervene.

 

Of course they were, only someone with a financial background such as an exbanker could manage such large sums...................... oh but wait a minute.................

[dronskisaint]

Negative news = Troll, WUM and libellous

 

While positive news is lapped up as pure fact and no proof ever requested

 

 

Just don’t tell the Window_cleaner as he will report this to the authorities, and you'll be looking at a ten stretch

 

About as much proof sourcing for both but you're talking a different level between rumours of a player coming/going and putting on a public forum (and this is the first time I've read this one on this forum) that the chairman was being less than candid/honest with the books?

 

I expect any of the people whose money you double for them as your living can help you with that one

[hypochondriac]

You gave him many months salary without him having to work??

 

Impressive.

 

That's not gratitude, it's called complying with employment law.

[Saint Garrett]

For all those that are saying anyone could do what he did...would you rather Cortese was still there or Krueger?

 

Personally Cortese for me,

[Window Cleaner]

For all those that are saying anyone could do what he did...would you rather Cortese was still there or Krueger?

 

Personally Cortese for me,

 

 

We don't even really know if their respective roles are the same. I'm just going to wait and see. Then again I have absolutely no idea what Krueger's capacities actually are, he can motivate, he knows about Ice Hockey but other than that what he can actually do is a mystery to me. He obviously talks a good game but his experience at the Oilers was less than conclusive when it actually came to doing something I think.

Edited 20 March, 2014 by Window Cleaner

[Saint Garrett]

We don't even really know if their respective roles are the same. I'm just going to wait and see. Then again I have absolutely no idea what Krueger's capacities actually are, he can motivate, he knows about Ice Hockey but other than that what he can actually do is a mystery to me. He obviously talks a good game but his experience at the Oilers was less than conclusive when it actually came to doing something I think.

 

Have to agree. Don't see where his role fits, but willing to give him a chance.

[shurlock]

I afforded the same gratitude to cortese that he showed Adkins. I moved on a long time ago and am looking forward to our new leadership and the fan friendly approach. It seems that some are stuck in the past and can't move past it.

 

Was your win-it-for-ricky-martin avatar in the aftermath of Markus passing also part of your gratitude?

Edited 20 March, 2014 by shurlock

[Turkish]

For all those that are saying anyone could do what he did...would you rather Cortese was still there or Krueger?

 

Personally Cortese for me,

 

How can you possibly make an informed decision when Krueger has only been in the job a week?

[Bearsy]

How can you possibly make an informed decision when Krueger has only been in the job a week?

 

that's why god invented prejudice

[Sour Mash]

I guess we'll see how good the new guy is soon enough.im sure we'll see some offers for our stars in the summer if he's as good as The Don we'll either get totally stupid money or keep then.Personally I think it will be more like the old days where terms will be dictated by the buyers, I hope I'm wrong I truly do.

How many examples are there of NC being particularly outstanding at any of that though?

[hypochondriac]

Was your win-it-for-ricky-martin avatar in the aftermath of Markus passing also part of your gratitude?

 

Oh dear. Yet another one who completely misunderstood that avatar. I'm not explaining that one again, I've already had to due to Alpine about five times. Not sure what that has to do with this conversation anyway.

[Bearsy]

How many examples are there of NC being particularly outstanding at any of that though?

 

tbf we only sold one player we wanted to keep in his whole tenure + that seemed a pretty good deal at the time.

[CB Fry]

Not only did NC get markus to buy us but he made a 5 year plan (which looked ridiculous at the time) and delivered on it. Short memories on this forum, more concerned about a car park cost or the kit colour. Thanks NC

 

Getting into the Premier League from L1 powered by a billionaire was a plan "that looked ridiculous at the time?"

 

Not to me it didn't. Anyone thinking we were going to spend five years in the third tier would have been far more ridiculous.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Not only did NC get markus to buy us but he made a 5 year plan (which looked ridiculous at the time) and delivered on it. Short memories on this forum, more concerned about a car park cost or the kit colour. Thanks NC

 

Norwich did the same at half the cost

[Dig Dig]

tbf we only sold one player we wanted to keep in his whole tenure + that seemed a pretty good deal at the time.

 

Mash wants emails, faxes, phone recordings and transcripts as evidence. Got any of that?

[Sour Mash]

tbf we only sold one player we wanted to keep in his whole tenure + that seemed a pretty good deal at the time.

Exactly.

[Turkish]

Have to agree. Don't see where his role fits, but willing to give him a chance.

 

Well you're not are you because only a week into the job you're already saying you'd rather have Cortese, hardly open minded is it.

[Bourno]

Where is he now?

 

Manchester according to our coach driver whose firm picked up his kids on the school run

[shurlock]

Getting into the Premier League from L1 powered by a billionaire was a plan "that looked ridiculous at the time?"

 

Not to me it didn't. Anyone thinking we were going to spend five years in the third tier would have been far more ridiculous.

 

 

Who said we would spend 5 years in L1, sunshine? I see: you're making c**p up again

[CB Fry]

Who said we would spend 5 years in L1? Making c**p up again, I see.

 

The idea of Saints making it back to the Premier League in five years was something that "looked ridiculous" is equally made up crap, sweetheart.

 

Kinda my point.

[Dalek2003]

Who said we would spend 5 years in L1, sunshine? I see: you're making c**p up again

 

CB FRY and credibility ? you 'avin a laff !

[Frank's cousin]

Well you're not are you because only a week into the job you're already saying you'd rather have Cortese, hardly open minded is it.

 

Fair point... But what you seem to misunderstand is us 'cult of Cortese' types actually want KL and Krug' to be better. For us to achieve more under their leadership than we did under NC. Will make us extremely happy and full of gratitude etc. that does not mean, we need to slag NC off or conveniently forget what was achieved under his watch, to score cheap points on a web forum, or simply to wind up and get a few reactions.

 

The difference between some of us and the likes of GS, hypo et al! Has nothing to do with the level of support or otherwise we will give KL and Krugs, but the simple fact they won't simply get tons of it because of few fan platitudes... As said before, I would rather we win games and progress further, than worry about fricken shirts, parking and Franny's bathroom carpet.... I just wonder how important all these 'nice ' fan - friendly' lovey things will be if we sell 3-4 top players in the summer and see a decline in quality next season.

 

Of course that could have happened under NC as well, but I suspect it would have been less likely.... As said above, just hope I am proven completely wrong and you can all bump this and laugh... Nothing would please more.

[The Kraken]

Fair point... But what you seem to misunderstand is us 'cult of Cortese' types actually want KL and Krug' to be better. For us to achieve more under their leadership than we did under NC. Will make us extremely happy and full of gratitude etc. that does not mean' date=' we need to slag NC off or conveniently forget what was achieved under his watch, [b']to score cheap points on a web forum,[/b] or simply to wind up and get a few reactions.

Simple question: why does it irk you so much that someone else may not share your opinion on Cortese. Or, what it actually is, that someone recognises the good things he did but can have a laugh about some of the things he was poor at? Truly,what does it matter if some randoms on a web forum don't subscribe to your view of the former chairman? Why get so "wound up" or "react" about that?

 

It seems when it comes to Cortese there has to be common consensus across the board and anyone who deviates from that is a WUM or worse. It's bizarre. Saints fans don't seem to do this for former players; I've seen people on here who say that Ormerod was fantastic for us and others who say he was nothing but a sub-standard runner. Yet they don't seem to get called into line. It really is most odd.

[Goatboy]

Simple question: why does it irk you so much that someone else may not share your opinion on Cortese. Or, what it actually is, that someone recognises the good things he did but can have a laugh about some of the things he was poor at? Truly,what does it matter if some randoms on a web forum don't subscribe to your view of the former chairman? Why get so "wound up" or "react" about that?

 

It seems when it comes to Cortese there has to be common consensus across the board and anyone who deviates from that is a WUM or worse. It's bizarre. Saints fans don't seem to do this for former players; I've seen people on here who say that Ormerod was fantastic for us and others who say he was nothing but a sub-standard runner. Yet they don't seem to get called into line. It really is most odd.

 

Agree. I think that NC did a lot of good for Saints. No question about that for me. But I also reserve the right to regard him as a right d!ck.

[Frank's cousin]

Simple question: why does it irk you so much that someone else may not share your opinion on Cortese. Or, what it actually is, that someone recognises the good things he did but can have a laugh about some of the things he was poor at? Truly,what does it matter if some randoms on a web forum don't subscribe to your view of the former chairman? Why get so "wound up" or "react" about that?

 

It seems when it comes to Cortese there has to be common consensus across the board and anyone who deviates from that is a WUM or worse. It's bizarre. Saints fans don't seem to do this for former players; I've seen people on here who say that Ormerod was fantastic for us and others who say he was nothing but a sub-standard runner. Yet they don't seem to get called into line. It really is most odd.

 

Do you not recognise how odd your first comment is... You offer a criticism that somehow it irks me that someone else has a different opinion, yet it obviously irks you that mine differs from yours.... Someone not liking or him or not is irrelevant. Having a genuine good natured laugh... Again no problem. Offering repetitive inaccurate and made up rubbish to support an opinion is just a bit pathetic... Not sure why you have suddenly become an apologist for those who are obviously just seeking a reaction all of a sudden either. You are also forgetting a simple fact of life. Whether someone likes him or not, is NOT the issue! that is opinion based on 99.9% rumour and gossip as most of have never met him... And even if we all had its quite normal that some would like , some would hate, most indifferent.. All equally valid opinion. What is FACT is what we have achieved. Yes it was supported financially, but if GS wants to try and undermine an achievement by suggesting it was down to 150mil spending (forgetting 110mil+ revenue) in that time, then it's fair to challenge that inaccurate rubbish, designed just to irritate, andNOT offer a fair opinion. IF you can no longer tell the difference! then it's a shame you are happy with defending the obvious WUMing....

 

 

Makes feck all difference in the grand scheme of things... Only difference it makes is Steve get one less fiver to support the site as it's just not worth it.. Which won't matter either unless more do same and he can't afford to keep it going... I won't lose any sleep over it and GS et al can retire happy... And look for a new social outlet

[Frank's cousin]

Agree. I think that NC did a lot of good for Saints. No question about that for me. But I also reserve the right to regard him as a right d!ck.

 

aye, and I'll defend your right to think of him as a ****... I might ask you why, and if you respond with a load of made up rubbish about 150 mil or just base it on rumours you have heard on a web forum, I might find it a bit odd that you are comfortable forming opinion on people based on rumour and gossip alone and perhaps worse, made up rubbish... But apart from that you are entitled to hold whatever view of him you choose to.

[Sour Mash]

Do you not recognise how odd your first comment is... You offer a criticism that somehow it irks me that someone else has a different opinion, yet it obviously irks you that mine differs from yours.... Someone not liking or him or not is irrelevant. Having a genuine good natured laugh... Again no problem. Offering repetitive inaccurate and made up rubbish to support an opinion is just a bit pathetic... Not sure why you have suddenly become an apologist for those who are obviously just seeking a reaction all of a sudden either. You are also forgetting a simple fact of life. Whether someone likes him or not, is NOT the issue! that is opinion based on 99.9% rumour and gossip as most of have never met him... And even if we all had its quite normal that some would like , some would hate, most indifferent.. All equally valid opinion. What is FACT is what we have achieved. Yes it was supported financially, but if GS wants to try and undermine an achievement by suggesting it was down to 150mil spending (forgetting 110mil+ revenue) in that time, then it's fair to challenge that inaccurate rubbish, designed just to irritate, andNOT offer a fair opinion. IF you can no longer tell the difference! then it's a shame you are happy with defending the obvious WUMing....

 

 

Makes feck all difference in the grand scheme of things... Only difference it makes is Steve get one less fiver to support the site as it's just not worth it.. Which won't matter either unless more do same and he can't afford to keep it going... I won't lose any sleep over it and GS et al can retire happy... And look for a new social outlet

Glasgow Saint isn't exactly dominating this thread, so I'm not sure what the issue is?

[The Kraken]

Agree. I think that NC did a lot of good for Saints. No question about that for me. But I also reserve the right to regard him as a right d!ck.

An outrageous assertion. You WUM.

[Goatboy]

aye' date=' and I'll defend your right to think of him as a ****... I might ask you why, and if you respond with a load of made up rubbish about 150 mil or just base it on rumours you have heard on a web forum, I might find it a bit odd that you are comfortable forming opinion on people based on rumour and gossip alone and perhaps worse, made up rubbish... But apart from that you are entitled to hold whatever view of him you choose to.[/quote']

 

Thanks! And my opinion is based on personal experience with our esteemed ex leader.

[sandwichsaint]

A statement about a person is defamatory if it tends to;

 

a) expose the person to ridicule, hatred or contempt

b) cause the person to be shunned or avoided

c) Lower the person in the estimation of right-minded members of society

d) Disparage the person in his business, trade, office or profession.

 

d) is the one that fits.

 

HTH.[/quote

 

Can you sue yourself? Plenty on here are eligible if this is the criteria.

[LostBoys]

books in a mess - wasn't the financial director made interim CEO and remains on the Board