Lallana's Left Peg Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-want-10m-southampton-ace-chambers-as-sagna-is-set-to-reject-new-deal-9201412.html Not the first time he's been linked in the Press however the report seems to think he can be signed for £10m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Just goes to show really, they've got their own English youth right-back who's made appearances for the first team and yet they'd still rather poach one of ours (if the report is true, which is unlikely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Again, the laws of supply and demand mean that we can tell them to stick their offer, if at that level, where the sun doesn't shine. The Guardian article also suggests that Man Ure are also interested and that even more laughably, they could make an offer for Chambers, Lallana and Shaw. It's beginning to look as if they might as well have done with it and take the whole team. They could build a brand new stadium down here, which will be more accessible to the majority of their fans. So if both Arsenal and United were after Chambers and we don't need to sell him, then it would take considerably more than £10 million to buy him, won't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... 'Throw enough sh*t, some of it will stick'... they get some right by chance alone.... Better get used to the summer rumour mill though because at some point we will see stories linking just about all our players with 'Big' moves... and not forgetting Poch...linked again to Spurs this morning on BBC. Cant doi anything about it, and will see what happens, but suspect at least 2 will go... which will be bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... That is exactly the sort of comment that was made when Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain were sold for big bucks. Were Arsenal wrong? PS No way should we sell Chambers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 (edited) 'Throw enough sh*t' date=' some of it will stick'... they get some right by chance alone.... Better get used to the summer rumour mill though because at some point we will see stories linking just about all our players with 'Big' moves... and not forgetting Poch...linked again to Spurs this morning on BBC. Cant doi anything about it, and will see what happens, but suspect at least 2 will go... which will be bad enough.[/quote'] Yes it will be a very long Summer in the papers, and as Saints fans we will be wishing our lives away for the end of August to arrive not having been raped and pillaged by teams who think a flash of the cash will winkle away all our home-grown gems. What does make me smile with these absolute bobbins newpaper values is that like the un informed supporter of other teams, they think that we are still the old Southampton where we were in desperate need of money for our hand to mouth existence. When these £10m comments are made I always think of Jordan Henderson from Sunderland to Liverpool for £16m ish in 2011. In all honesty its only been this season that he has shown his true potential. That was a serious amount of money to spend on a youngster when the deal went through: but at the end of the day he is English and homegrown. Edited 19 March, 2014 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 That doesn't surprise me, I know a bloke, who goes to the footy with Lambert's & Lallana's banker, I don't know him particularly well, but have no reason to doubt him. These two were in a corporate box at the Palace game, with the likes of Luke Shaw's father & one or two others & was told the only firm enquiry Saint received during the transfer window was by Arsenal about Chambers. All the Lambert/Shaw/Lallana speculation was purely paper talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 That doesn't surprise me, I know a bloke, who goes to the footy with Lambert's & Lallana's banker, I don't know him particularly well, but have no reason to doubt him. These two were in a corporate box at the Palace game, with the likes of Luke Shaw's father & one or two others & was told the only firm enquiry Saint received during the transfer window was by Arsenal about Chambers. All the Lambert/Shaw/Lallana speculation was purely paper talk. WHU were pretty close to signing Lambert until Cortese left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... Don't understand why people down play the value of players. 10M isn't even enough for an 18 year old RB who has shown extreme competency at the highest level is arguably our no.1 RB, ahead of a slightly older player who is on the verye if the England squad himself. I doubt Arsenal regret paying 12M for a player with one League 1 season under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Yet more evidence that we shouldn't bother with the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Don't understand why people down play the value of players. 10M isn't even enough for an 18 year old RB who has shown extreme competency at the highest level is arguably our no.1 RB, ahead of a slightly older player who is on the verye if the England squad himself. I doubt Arsenal regret paying 12M for a player with one League 1 season under his belt. Plus the £10M will be including "Add On's" I wouldn't be surprised to see either Clyne or Chambers leave (for the right money) as I hear U21's McCarthy & Youngs are both highly rated by Saints staff. McCarthy may be converted to a Centre Back though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Don't understand why people down play the value of players. 10M isn't even enough for an 18 year old RB who has shown extreme competency at the highest level is arguably our no.1 RB, ahead of a slightly older player who is on the verye if the England squad himself. I doubt Arsenal regret paying 12M for a player with one League 1 season under his belt. Could not have expressed my opinion any better than this - spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 swap deal for Theo or else sod off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Plus the £10M will be including "Add On's" I wouldn't be surprised to see either Clyne or Chambers leave (for the right money) as I hear U21's McCarthy & Youngs are both highly rated by Saints staff. McCarthy may be converted to a Centre Back though. McCarthy already is a CB I believe? He is certainly seen as a leader inside the club, very large personality by all accounts(clue in the surname for any Southampton residents)! Would like to keep hold of Chambers, if true Arsenal made an enquiry then I doff my hat to them in a way. Whilst all the hype is around Shaw Arsenal would be bidding for someone that potentially offers far better value for money. Chambers has slipped under the radar a little and, in my opinion, has just as much potential as Shaw. Loves bombing forward, looks up before crossing, strong in the tackle and superb in the air. To be pushing Clyne as much as he is at his age is phenomenal when you consider how highly Clyne was/ is rated. An absolute diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Remember in Dec 2012 after 2 months in the 1st team that the London media said that Arsenal were going to take Luke off our hands for £5M....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255426/Arsenal-talk-Southampton-Luke-Shaw-transfer.html .......I think Saints just laughed at that valuation and said he was going to be a £30M player in a couple of years..... I think Arsenal just think we will accept the CURRENT MARKET VALUATION for a player whereas Saints (I believe) value a player on what he WILL BE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. Calum is very highly rated by Saints and if he continues his progress until Pochettino will become a £25m+ player (imo) in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Chambers is rated even more highly as a footballer than Shaw, but Shaw has the rarity value of being left footed. Even if Arsenal made an acceptable offer, and £10m isn't acceptable surely, he'd be mad to go because I think he'll end up either as a CM or a right-sided midfielder. Some on here think he could be a top class CB. Either way, I'd hate to see his development halt because Arsenal or another top 4 club don't have a defined role for him yet. Better to continue his development here as Lallana has done and to some extent Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Can someone tell me what you have to do to tap someone up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... £15million for Chamberlain, who only had one season at the third tier? That's looking cheap now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Yet more evidence that we shouldn't bother with the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Can someone tell me what you have to do to tap someone up? Lend me a fiver and I'll tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Suggests to me that Arsenal trying to get in early before the price goes through the roof.. They did it with Theo and Oxo, didn't have so much luck with Luke last year and out of that race now I'd suspect. Would hope they'd have a similar lack of success this time round, would of felt confident under Cortese, just hope the policy of keeping the bin next to the fax machine hadn't changed.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49343-With-all-the-links-our-players-have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 (edited) It's the Evening Standard, the instant Arsenal starts to falter each season the ES attributes them to loads of new transfer targets for the next season. They never sign any of them because they never want to pay the price. Then they get desperate and make one or two signings at the last minute, usually at some over the top prce, like Ozil. Edited 19 March, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 (edited) Chambers is playing at centre back for the under 21's this afternoon vs Fulham, perhaps Pochettino thinks there is a future for him there. A defence of... Shaw Lovren Chambers Clyne Would be interesting to see at some point in the remaining 8 Premier League games or in pre-season. Chambers has the physique and aerial ability to be a centre back and it would allow us to fit Clyne and Chambers into the same team. Edited 19 March, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... Is it? Not sure on the age but Andy Carroll went for 35m? Hadn't completed. Full year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Is it? Not sure on the age but Andy Carroll went for 35m? Hadn't completed. Full year. But that transfer is always taken out of context. Liverpool sold Torres to Chelsea for the ridiculous sum of 50 million and Carroll was scoring plenty of goals at the time. If they hadn't sold Torres they wouldn't have signed Carroll. I've even read that they really wanted to sell Torres anyway because tests had shown his muscular system to be in decline already and that he would never be the same player again anyway. Chelsea obviously didn't do their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 If Arsenal have £100 million to spend, perhaps we can help relieve them of more than a paltry tenth of it? Chambers is young (add £5m), and English (multiply by 1.5). Therefore by Premier League silly maths he is worth £22.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 So £10m for chambers, £25m for Lallana, £30m for shaw and how much for morgan? We're going to be super rich this summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 McCarthy has played mainly at right back but has started to be used at Centre Back as well. He'll get more opportunities now Stephens is out on loan. Not sure of the formation today. I agree Chambers has massive potential. I think he could end up back in midfield where he has played mainly (prior to this season). He has so much drive & energy for such a big lad. Great time to be a Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 So £10m for chambers, £25m for Lallana, £30m for shaw and how much for morgan? We're going to be super rich this summer! I'd rather keep all these players if I'm honest, rather than sell them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 . All the Lambert/Shaw/Lallana speculation was purely paper talk. Lambert to West Ham was all but a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 March, 2014 Share Posted 19 March, 2014 Just goes to show really, they've got their own English youth right-back who's made appearances for the first team and yet they'd still rather poach one of ours (if the report is true, which is unlikely). all a lot of dis-information aimed at unsettling the fans and players. Can't see us selling our best players for money the owner doesn't need and replacing them with even newer Academy recruits - can you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 March, 2014 Share Posted 20 March, 2014 Why do people automatically assume papers are making things up when clubs are linked with players. They then claim transfers not going ahead is proof of these lies. The fact is that with modern scouting methods clubs will have numerous potential signings for each position. They'll be grouped into short, medium and long term targets. I would expect chambers to be on every single top clubs radar, certainly on arsenals. That doesn't mean he'll sign, but it doesn't mean the paper is making it up. Its not as black and white as people make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 March, 2014 Share Posted 20 March, 2014 Personally I think Wenger has ruined more young talent than improved them. Most of the young stars he has taken from other clubs have not improved as much as they should have IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 20 March, 2014 Share Posted 20 March, 2014 Why do people automatically assume papers are making things up when clubs are linked with players. They then claim transfers not going ahead is proof of these lies. The fact is that with modern scouting methods clubs will have numerous potential signings for each position. They'll be grouped into short, medium and long term targets. I would expect chambers to be on every single top clubs radar, certainly on arsenals. That doesn't mean he'll sign, but it doesn't mean the paper is making it up. Its not as black and white as people make out. People never learn. What's worse is when people try to be scientific and calculate what proportion of transfer stories actually end in done deals, as if anyone reports that players are 100% going to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2014 Share Posted 20 March, 2014 Anyway Wenger's principal target to eventually replace Sagna is Aurier from Toulouse, a player we should have looked at a long time ago as I might have mentioned on more than 1 occasion. 21 years old, can play either side and scores some decent goals, mind you in Ligue 1 anyone could score goals, even Berbatov has scored a few already. 6 million £ for a far better player right now than Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 March, 2014 Share Posted 20 March, 2014 Why do people automatically assume papers are making things up when clubs are linked with players. They then claim transfers not going ahead is proof of these lies. The fact is that with modern scouting methods clubs will have numerous potential signings for each position. They'll be grouped into short, medium and long term targets. I would expect chambers to be on every single top clubs radar, certainly on arsenals. That doesn't mean he'll sign, but it doesn't mean the paper is making it up. Its not as black and white as people make out. It isn't that people assume papers are making this stuff up. It's more the case that the papers infer that every time it is a done deal, that it is somehow inevitable. There is always only one side to it, that of the prospective buying club. The papers hardly ever put across the selling club's perspective, which in our case is that we have no need to sell and probably no wish to sell, almost regardless of the price bandied about. From that perspective, it is all very much black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 March, 2014 Share Posted 20 March, 2014 Its pretty simple - they have 8 pages or so to fill every day and a paper to sell - so they present every enquiry or aspiration or even a scouting trip as a deal in the making. Its not made up, its just bigged up. It gets lots of attention from the fans of the 'buying' club and 'selling' club. Job done, another journo has his salary funded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 March, 2014 Share Posted 21 March, 2014 It isn't that people assume papers are making this stuff up. It's more the case that the papers infer that every time it is a done deal, that it is somehow inevitable. Do you have any examples of that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 22 March, 2014 Share Posted 22 March, 2014 Don't understand why people down play the value of players. 10M isn't even enough for an 18 year old RB who has shown extreme competency at the highest level is arguably our no.1 RB, ahead of a slightly older player who is on the verye if the England squad himself. I doubt Arsenal regret paying 12M for a player with one League 1 season under his belt. SPOT ON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 March, 2014 Share Posted 22 March, 2014 (edited) £10 million for a kid who hadn't completed his first season is madness, irrespective of how good he is. Additionally they have Jenkinson, unless they believe he's not up to it. Probably cobblers though. It's nearly summer, I wonder how much of a percentage of stuff written in newspapers actually goes through... Not much I would think. In that summer prior to our first season back up in the Prem. I counted ....SIXTY (yes 60) different close-season " rumours " from journos who must have through they were ITK. (Echo listings). Many of these types only live on " Planet London " and think the mere mention of " a big name club " - (even one who haven't won a trophy in the last 5-20 years) means that we will bow down and thankfully accept these ridiculous offers. The " transfer fees " they quote might impress some clubs, (but not Saints) ....who don't need the money - especially as many are hilariously under-valued. The more unscrupulous agents use the media to " frighten " clubs into giving a new long-term contracts to players who, in some cases, are barely more than average - or who are just having " a good season". Bringing in foreign players - even good ones - is always a gamble, as Spurs have seen this season. After banking the largest transfer fee in English history (for Bale) they spent it all - and more - on half-a-dozen players who didn't fit in, and then proceeded to sack the manager who bought them and appointed Sherwood - who went back to the old favourites in the squad. (Glory, Glory, have a laugh you:lol:). If and when we get real success in the Prem. it will come by retaining players like Chambers and even Shaw ...(although I think he may move on after World Cup). If he stays, some people may say he lacks ambition, but an 18 year old playing regular Prem. football is unusual enough - and it will benefit his career if he stays a few more seasons...and becomes even better. Arsenal bought two of our best Academy products (Theo and Alex) ....but should expect to bid real money for Schneiderlin now ...who deserves a bigger club after his service to Saints. The Gunners' large squad is riddled with injuries, but still good enough to stay near the top - even with injuries to; Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott and a somewhat out-of-form Özil. We need to do the same. Nothing is forever, (and certainly not an unchanged football squad). Eventually all players find their level - and some even move on to " greater things ". We can only hope that the next generation of Shaw's, JWP's and Chambers' are ready when the call comes, because one thing we have learned this season is that injuries and suspensions knock a big hole in a small squad - especially when there are no suitable " quality " replacements. If the Academy is all it's cracked-up to be, then we can build such a squad and without spending £500 million to do it. So far ....Man.City, Chelsea and Arsenal seem to have coped with the problem. We haven't, and selling off all of our best talent won't improve that. Edited 22 March, 2014 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2014 Sky Sports News suggesting that Sagna will be signing a new contract at Arsenal so hopefully that puts this one to bed. At least for a few weeks anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 March, 2014 Share Posted 26 March, 2014 Typical of Arsenal and the other "big" clubs, they do EFF all to develop young British players despite FIFA aims for every team to have a proportion of home grown talent but but are arrogant enough to think that all they have to do is cream off the talent from more progressive clubs when they feel like it and when the political timing demands. Let's say b0ll0cks to them all. Walcott & Chamberlain would be twice the players they are now if they'd stayed here and yes I know we needed the dosh at the time.... Time for the little clubs to take a stand and refuse to play their nasty little game, who knows maybe what has happened to Manure will soon happen to all of them and we'll have a PL that is genuinely competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 26 March, 2014 Share Posted 26 March, 2014 McCarthy already is a CB I believe? He is certainly seen as a leader inside the club, very large personality by all accounts(clue in the surname for any Southampton residents)! ****, he's one of them is he? Well, it'll be good to see someone with a bit of fire on the pitch, as long as he don't keep getting yellow carded and he avoids wimmin on the pitch with shoes in their hands:lol: (Another vague reference for those in the know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 March, 2014 Share Posted 26 March, 2014 ****, he's one of them is he? Well, it'll be good to see someone with a bit of fire on the pitch, as long as he don't keep getting yellow carded and he avoids wimmin on the pitch with shoes in their hands:lol: (Another vague reference for those in the know).he's a good lad, he played cricket for us a few times with his dad and uncle, also a Jason...all characters but sadly Liverpool fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 March, 2014 Share Posted 26 March, 2014 Lambert to West Ham was all but a done deal. Was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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