goneawol Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2582198/Morgan-Schneiderlin-wants-England-call-turning-France-Southampton-man-Roy-Hodgson-squad.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-morgan-schneiderlin-ponders-england-3249649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 (edited) No quotes to back up that assertion. Tabloid stretching methinks. EDIT: Mirror one you've added has more. It's clear he still wants to play for France but it looks like he'll consider us if they don't give him a chance in the next few squads. Edited 16 March, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Don't think it will happen. As a Saints fan, Schneiderlin deserves international recognition, but it should be with France, rather than anyone else. He should not be eligible for England, it just makes a mockery of having a national team. Same goes for Zaha, Berhino (at WBA), and the Manc's Belgian-Croat kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Would be great for England but hope it doesn't happen. He's French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Zaha and berahinio genuinely qualify though dont they ? Januzaj and Morgan ? As good as they are shouldnt play for England. Shame though as Morgan would definately improve the side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Zaha and berahinio genuinely qualify though dont they ? Januzaj and Morgan ? As good as they are shouldnt play for England. Shame though as Morgan would definately improve the side Unless Ivory Coast, and Burundi have become part of South London, and West Midlands then I can't see that they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Home Nations Agreement... Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Unless Ivory Coast, and Burundi have become part of South London, and West Midlands then I can't see that they should. But using that logic why did anyone bother to support mo farah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 Unless Ivory Coast, and Burundi have become part of South London, and West Midlands then I can't see that they should. I get your point, but they both came to this country when they were under the age of 10 - Schneiderlin was nearly 19 when he signed for us. Bit of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 But using that logic why did anyone bother to support mo farah? And Greg Rusedski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 March, 2014 Share Posted 16 March, 2014 And Greg Rusedski Rusedski's mother is British, so slightly different again. HTH pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Don't think it will happen. As a Saints fan, Schneiderlin deserves international recognition, but it should be with France, rather than anyone else. He should not be eligible for England, it just makes a mockery of having a national team. Same goes for Zaha, Berhino (at WBA), and the Manc's Belgian-Croat kid. So Mo Farah and Kevin Pieterson shouldn't be allowed to represent their home either. I wonder how many Brits are of pure celtic blood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 So Mo Farah and Kevin Pieterson shouldn't be allowed to represent their home either. I wonder how many Brits are of pure celtic blood.... Despite largely agreeing with you, I did find it amusing how people go mad over mo farahs running times. Of course he is going to get times that are vastly superior to the average British bloke because physically he is so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Despite largely agreeing with you, I did find it amusing how people go mad over mo farahs running times. Of course he is going to get times that are vastly superior to the average British bloke because physically he is so different. What? you mean from your webbed feet and swivel eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 What? you mean from your webbed feet and swivel eyes. As usual you contribute nothing and live a pointless forum existence. Debate the topics like a semi intelligent individual (as difficult as I know that is for you) or remove yourself from the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2582198/Morgan-Schneiderlin-wants-England-call-turning-France-Southampton-man-Roy-Hodgson-squad.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southamptons-morgan-schneiderlin-ponders-england-3249649 Nice graphic on Morgan's goal in the Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 (edited) As usual you contribute nothing and live a pointless forum existence. Debate the topics like a semi intelligent individual (as difficult as I know that is for you) or remove yourself from the thread. OK pal -here's a response to your typical gaucheness: i) Why shouldn't people go mad over Farah's running times -he's the best in the world. What does it mean to be 'British' in this context? That he has to be white? ii) Running is part physical, part technique, part psychological - attributes that have all been nurtured from an early age in the UK. No wonder the country feels pride over the achievements of someone who sees himself as British and is grateful for the opportunities he's been given. Satisfied swivel-eyes? Edited 17 March, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Will never happen. It would take a 'foreign' player of phenomenal talent for the FA to pick them for the England team. They aren't brave enough and usually go with the 'safe' options when picking players. Even then they would face stiff opposition from a large number of fans I would probably be one of them. Morgan is French. If, he had moved here aged 5 and been brought up in the UK then fair enough but not when you move here as an adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Will never happen. It would take a 'foreign' player of phenomenal talent for the FA to pick them for the England team. They aren't brave enough and usually go with the 'safe' options when picking players. Even then they would face stiff opposition from a large number of fans I would probably be one of them. Morgan is French. If, he had moved here aged 5 and been brought up in the UK then fair enough but not when you move here as an adult. Either way, nothing Morgan has ever said or done has even remotely suggested he's interested in playing for England. He knows the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 (edited) OK pal -here's a response to your typical gaucheness: i) Why shouldn't people go mad over Farah's running times -he's the best in the world. What does it mean to be 'British' in this context? That he has to be white? ii) Running is part physical, part technique, part psychological - attributes that have all been nurtured from an early age in the UK. No wonder the country feels pride over the achievements of someone who sees himself as British and is grateful for the opportunities he's been given. Satisfied swivel-eyes? i) nothing wrong with going mad over mo farahs achievements. I'm a fan of him myself and the dedication to his sport. I also met him quite a few years ago and he was an extremely friendly man. What I find a bit odd is people talking about breaking British records when if we were using that criteria if any of the top Kenyan runners had moved to Britain at a young age they too would be British despite these individuals clearly having a biological advantage over those who are born here and native to the united Kingdom. Additionally, I don't really understand the mindset of someone who would not want to represent the country of their birth in sport but I admit that is a personal opinion. The fact you decide to bring skin colour into it is typical of someone like you and says more about you than it does me. ii) of course that is the case but don't try and pretend that the reason mo farah is a world beater isn't primarily due to his biology and his genetics. It's a similar reason why the vast majority of long distance runners are African, why most sprinters are black and why black people are normally not that strong at swimming. It is my belief that mo would have found success regardless of what developed country he had moved to at a young age. In general I feel slightly uncomfortable about someone moving to Britain and then Britain claiming their sporting achievements and I would feel that way regardless of skin colour or race. To me, a British person in a sporting sense is someone with a British mother or father, not someone with a tenuous link or someone whose family moved here. It's why I wasn't a huge fan of bussing in a load of other athletes from places like America during the Olympics and why I would object to that Chinese skater who decided to skate for Russia recently because he wasn't feeling supported at home. It's clear you are trying to create some sort of racial undertone in my post but it just makes you look sad and pathetic as per usual. Your insults are par for the course and I can only hope you will be found out for the WUM that you are and swiftly removed from the forum. Possibly a forlorn hope but we can dream. And I'm not your pal. Edited 17 March, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Will never happen. It would take a 'foreign' player of phenomenal talent for the FA to pick them for the England team. They aren't brave enough and usually go with the 'safe' options when picking players. Even then they would face stiff opposition from a large number of fans I would probably be one of them. Morgan is French. If, he had moved here aged 5 and been brought up in the UK then fair enough but not when you move here as an adult. What is the cutoff point then? Who makes the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 I fear this thread is descending into a UKIP chatroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Despite largely agreeing with you, I did find it amusing how people go mad over mo farahs running times. Of course he is going to get times that are vastly superior to the average British bloke because physically he is so different. Clearly we have an athletics genius on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 He isn't eligible. As someone has already pointed out in the thread there is a home nations agreement. But hey, lets be guilty of what the media do and ignore that little fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 So Mo Farah and Kevin Pieterson shouldn't be allowed to represent their home either. I wonder how many Brits are of pure celtic blood.... I am, but most would call me Irish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 i) nothing wrong with going mad over mo farahs achievements. I'm a fan of him myself and the dedication to his sport. I also met him quite a few years ago and he was an extremely friendly man. What I find a bit odd is people talking about breaking British records when if we were using that criteria if any of the top Kenyan runners had moved to Britain at a young age they too would be British despite these individuals clearly having a biological advantage over those who are born here and native to the united Kingdom. Additionally, I don't really understand the mindset of someone who would not want to represent the country of their birth in sport but I admit that is a personal opinion. The fact you decide to bring skin colour into it is typical of someone like you and says more about you than it does me. ii) of course that is the case but don't try and pretend that the reason mo farah is a world beater isn't primarily due to his biology and his genetics. It's a similar reason why the vast majority of long distance runners are African, why most sprinters are black and why black people are normally not that strong at swimming. It is my belief that mo would have found success regardless of what developed country he had moved to at a young age. In general I feel slightly uncomfortable about someone moving to Britain and then Britain claiming their sporting achievements and I would feel that way regardless of skin colour or race. To me, a British person in a sporting sense is someone with a British mother or father, not someone with a tenuous link or someone whose family moved here. It's why I wasn't a huge fan of bussing in a load of other athletes from places like America during the Olympics and why I would object to that Chinese skater who decided to skate for Russia recently because he wasn't feeling supported at home. It's clear you are trying to create some sort of racial undertone in my post but it just makes you look sad and pathetic as per usual. Your insults are par for the course and I can only hope you will be found out for the WUM that you are and swiftly removed from the forum. Possibly a forlorn hope but we can dream. And I'm not your pal. What about someone born in Britain to Kenyan parents who moved just before his/her birth? They would have the same 'biological advantages' but have British passport straight form the off and would be representing their country of birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 hypo was clear on that, if you ain't got brit parents you ain't true brit. My mum is american but my dad is england so i qualify prob even despite 50% biological advantage of having a mum genetically predisposed to lack irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 I think all England squad should have 'who do you think you are' done on them and if any are forgien or spent more tHan two weeks abroad, they are out!. They should also be fined for trying to impersonate an Englishman and moved to Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 waste of time tokyos, hypo can easily tell just by looking at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 But according to Wiki (which admittedly may not be true) Farah's Dad was born in England, grew up in Hounslow and is a British Citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 waste of time tokyos, hypo can easily tell just by looking at them. Good point. Sorry to hear about your mum not being able to iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 But according to Wiki (which admittedly may not be true) Farah's Dad was born in England, grew up in Hounslow and is a British Citizen. hmm that throws a spanner in the works. i spose he ought to have handed in his biological advantage at customs, importing biological advantage & using it to take jobs from our hard running brits is tantamount to cheating imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Would be great if he played for England, him and Gerrard would be a great partnership in a 4-2-3-1. Couldn't give a sh!te if he was English or not, the national side need all the help they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Would be great if he played for England, him and Gerrard would be a great partnership in a 4-2-3-1. Couldn't give a sh!te if he was English or not, the national side need all the help they can get. Agreed, sod the home nations agreement, this isn't a bigger footballing country poaching a young player which was the intention of the rule, this is Deschamps totally ignoring a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Would be great if he played for England, him and Gerrard would be a great partnership in a 4-2-3-1. Couldn't give a sh!te if he was English or not, the national side need all the help they can get. Mo Farah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Hopefully, without wishing to start another irrelevant nationalist argument to the debate, if Scotland vote for independence, the home nations agreement will be void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Hopefully, without wishing to start another irrelevant nationalist argument to the debate, if Scotland vote for independence, the home nations agreement will be void. Was just thinking the same, although can't see the Scots voting for independence, although it'll be a lot closer than the polls suggest IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Schneiderlin shouldn't play for England and it's not something he should even be considering, I thought it was a pretty strange response from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Clearly we have an athletics genius on our hands. Not sure how you come to that conclusion based in me giving my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Schneiderlin shouldn't play for England and it's not something he should even be considering, I thought it was a pretty strange response from him. He's been in England for the last quarter of his life, I'm sure he feels a strong connection to it, why shouldn't he consider playing for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 He's been in England for the last quarter of his life, I'm sure he feels a strong connection to it, why shouldn't he consider playing for them? Because he's not English? Because he's not going to be picked for England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 He's been in England for the last quarter of his life, I'm sure he feels a strong connection to it, why shouldn't he consider playing for them? So is that the criteria then. If I were good enough, would it be acceptable for me to spend a quarter of my life in Spain and then decide I want to play for their national team just because? Doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 that would be ok with me hypo. Remember tho, do not take this commitment lightly, you will have to play spain for the rest of ur life. We won't be inviting u back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 hypo was clear on that, if you ain't got brit parents you ain't true brit. My mum is american but my dad is england so i qualify prob even despite 50% biological advantage of having a mum genetically predisposed to lack irony Yeah, but you've had the training here, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 So is that the criteria then. If I were good enough, would it be acceptable for me to spend a quarter of my life in Spain and then decide I want to play for their national team just because? Doesn't seem right. As I mentioned above, the home nation agreement was implemented to prevent larger footballing nations from poaching players from "lesser" countries. France is hardly a lesser footballing nation and they don't want Morgan, it's not like we're stealing him. (All totally hypothetical as he is ineligible anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 Schneiderlin shouldn't play for England and it's not something he should even be considering, I thought it was a pretty strange response from him. This man gets it. Would be great if he played for England, him and Gerrard would be a great partnership in a 4-2-3-1. Couldn't give a sh!te if he was English or not, the national side need all the help they can get. [video=youtube;mlv7Bp-L2MM] Not so much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 He should be playing for France, he is French after all. That said, international sport has become a bit of a joke when it comes to only picking home grown. Off the top of my head I can think of Zola Budd, cricketers like Alan Lamb, Robin Smith, KP and more, Mo Farah, a fair few of the All Blacks, Manu Tuilagi. Greg Rusedski etc etc. I guess it depends on your definition of a national, mine would be born and bred in that country but others would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 He should be playing for France, he is French after all. That said, international sport has become a bit of a joke when it comes to only picking home grown. Off the top of my head I can think of Zola Budd, cricketers like Alan Lamb, Robin Smith, KP and more, Mo Farah, a fair few of the All Blacks, Manu Tuilagi. Greg Rusedski etc etc. I guess it depends on your definition of a national, mine would be born and bred in that country but others would disagree. Let us not forget the French national football team has often used French speaking Africans to bolster their ranks. Didn't the 2006 team have four or five? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 March, 2014 Share Posted 17 March, 2014 The team that won France the world cup had a fair few 'non French' in it. In fact their most capped player was born in Pointe-à-Pitre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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