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No not really, ask Pap about my area and I can assure you it aint ****e.

 

its a fecking dump

it has a more built up city centre. whoopdee do

Barry Sanchez

Barry Sanchez

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its a fecking dump

 

 

plymouth has a grand history (maybe more so than liverpool) and heritage and listed buildings all over the show.

its another dump

 

Maybe it does who cares it does not celebrate it as much. Union street is not a patch of a night out compared as well.

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Maybe it does who cares it does not celebrate it as much. Union street is not a patch of a night out compared as well.

 

it wouldnt as union street is no longer the main run of bars. do keep up

been to glasgow. it is miles better than liverpool. another dump

 

as for plymouth not celebrating its history. its never stops LOL.

still, a dump

pap

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What about them? You want Southampton to go and get an HMS Victory etc?

 

This is an interesting enough read, make of it what you will https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/future/ccplans/vipproj/cultural-quarter.aspx

 

They need to sort their proof-reading out.

 

Meanwhile, the city’s new maritime attraction, SeaCity Museum, continues to attract hoards of visitors to the city. Featuring a number of exhibitions including a major Titanic exhibition, the museum will be a lasting legacy to the fateful Titanic ship. The museum was opened on the centenary of the Titanic in April 2012.

 

Don't leave it to the spell checker, kids.

 

Press release makes it sound like SeaCity Museum is ordering visitors by the crate, presumably from some subterranean complex in Austria.

spyinthesky

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Transport Liverpool One, Museums, Ferries, Tunnel, Underground Railway, selection of grand old buildings, one of the cathedrals and some grand old 19th century renovated housing stock and iconic buildings down here and combine with our parks, nicer suburbs, proximity to the New Forest and London and better climate and it would be a decent mix.

Some of the scouse humour wouldn't go amiss either

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Only just spotted this. I honestly wouldn't worry about it a huge amount on the basis that for large ship's Liverpool is severly restricted by the tide. QM2 as pictured in the article can only arrive and depart Liverpool at certain times due to tidal restrictions.

 

And Carnival are based in Southampton and geared up to operate in Southampton. It is much easier and financially viable to operate in southampton for them. Some of the smaller shipsmay go to Liverpool, the same as they use Falmouth, Dover and Harwich as turnaround ports.

Unbelievable Jeff

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Visited both, if I was going to live anywhere I would choose the New Forest, or area between Soton and Winchester compared to areas around Liverpool.

 

Liverpool is alright though. Just would prefer Southampton.

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Port of Liverpool hires PR agency to promote new "superport"

 

http://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/2014/10/influential-launches-liverpools-superport-campaign/

 

Quite interesting. This is about more than cruise ships; it's an expansion of transport capacity across the board. The Mersey Gateway Bridge is one of the infrastructure projects being worked on.

 

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The airport is also getting expanded; runway extensions will allow it to do long haul. Direct links to deep sea southern ports, plus a concerted effort to improve the Liverpool to Manchester corridor and a doubling of container capacity.

 

Exciting times for the region.

spyinthesky

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Quite interesting. This is about more than cruise ships; it's an expansion of transport capacity across the board. The Mersey Gateway Bridge is one of the infrastructure projects being worked on.

 

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The airport is also getting expanded; runway extensions will allow it to do long haul. Direct links to deep sea southern ports, plus a concerted effort to improve the Liverpool to Manchester corridor and a doubling of container capacity.

 

Exciting times for the region.

 

Great looking bridge

 

Expected to cost £600m of which £212m will come from Govt grants

 

Interesting that George Osborne is MP for nearby Halton

 

Meanwhile the proposed Cruise Terminal at the Cunard Building seems to have hit a major problem and wont now be progressed

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The thing is though, it is just that a cruise port of call like Lerwick, Tobermory or Portland. Southampton however is a major turnaround port and home base for some of the worlds most famous and important cruise vessels.

 

And that's exactly what Liverpool is addressing with its Super Port plans!

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I was amused, but not surprised, by some of the defensive remarks on here.

 

I suspect the reason they exist is because deep down, people know that Liverpool will spank Southampton in every single category bar proximity to London once it gets its full turnaround act in gear, and London is only an extra hour each way by train. As for some of the suggested selling points, I honestly have to ask whether people are having a laugh.

 

Double-tide is a superb example. Now it's my understanding that Southampton is somewhat unique in that it has a double high tide, largely on account of the proximity of Isle of Shíte and the tide bounce.

 

Absorb that, if you will, and then consider the whole point of going on cruises. It's to go to different places, isn't it? If a double tide was absolutely required, then every cruise on Earth would simply leave Southampton, perhaps skirt around the coast of the IOS, then head straight back to the only double high tide port in range. Southampton. I love my home town, but I'm not uncritical, and it's just not that good :)

Halo Stickman

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I was amused, but not surprised, by some of the defensive remarks on here.

 

I suspect the reason they exist is because deep down, people know that Liverpool will spank Southampton in every single category bar proximity to London once it gets its full turnaround act in gear, and London is only an extra hour each way by train. As for some of the suggested selling points, I honestly have to ask whether people are having a laugh.

 

Double-tide is a superb example. Now it's my understanding that Southampton is somewhat unique in that it has a double high tide, largely on account of the proximity of Isle of Shíte and the tide bounce.

 

Absorb that, if you will, and then consider the whole point of going on cruises. It's to go to different places, isn't it? If a double tide was absolutely required, then every cruise on Earth would simply leave Southampton, perhaps skirt around the coast of the IOS, then head straight back to the only double high tide port in range. Southampton. I love my home town, but I'm not uncritical, and it's just not that good :)

 

Speaking as a born-and-bred Caulkhead, can we have a little less of the Shite please, pap!

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There are plenty of plans afoot for the regeneration of the waterfront area at the Royal Pier - http://www.royalpierwaterfront.com/

 

This should provide an impressive upgrade to what is there at the moment and capture a lot more cruise trade for the future.

 

Excellent. It bloody needs it. Quite why Southampton never trades on its strengths I don't know.

pap

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Speaking as a born-and-bred Caulkhead, can we have a little less of the Shite please, pap!

 

Sorry Halo. Had a love rival from the Isle of Wight. I'll turn it in :)

Halo Stickman

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Sorry Halo. Had a love rival from the Isle of Wight. I'll turn it in :)

 

Interesting. Sounds like one for the The Ramirez Off Topic Thread at a later date, perhaps.

 

BTW, I’m not sure the Isle of Wight is actually the reason - at least not the main one - why Southampton Water has double tides, although I realise that’s not really relevant to the point you were making.

buctootim

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There is also Watermark West Quay ; http://www.watermarkwestquay.com/design.aspx

 

What will they do when the new multiplex cinema causes the old multiplex cinema already on the adjoining site to close down? Bulldoze it and leave it vacant for for 10 years? The trouble with Southampton planners is that they just allow more low architectural quality copies of what they already have, and end up with more than can be sustained by the market. They should have kept the sites industrial zoning and used it for dock related activities.

pap

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Somewhere you might want to call into - but not depart from or return to - thats Southampton again.

http://www.cruisecritic.co.uk/editors-picks/?src=nav

 

Arf!

 

The city has also made vast improvements to the roads leading to Ocean Terminal, making it much easier to get to the ships.

 

They probably visited when all the traffic cones were upstanding, and therefore didn't experience Southampton gridlock :)

Sour Mash

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Excellent. It bloody needs it. Quite why Southampton never trades on its strengths I don't know.
I went to the Sea City Museum the other week and it was good, well worth the visit and told the story of Southampton well, albeit a bit Titanic heavy. Not sure how much stuff like that is promoted to Cruise Ship passengers.
buctootim

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1.6m passengers spending maybe £50 per head in the city - even a stay and meal in the Premier Inn the night before would be more than that - is around £80m pa. Let alone all the docks handling, supplies from Ocean Trading etc. Its got to be worth over £100m pa to the city, £430 per head.

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