Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26543962 Hopefully now this will get Southampton's arse in to gear and actually provide a City thats inviting for visitors to stay in and spend money, I hope the cruises still continue to use the City but as long as people only use it as a gateway then the City will continue to lose out. What really boils my **** is that it has be a cartel for so long what have they given back to the City in terms of things for visitors to do and visit there? Its only geograpical for them being there, so if people want more they will go elsewhere, Liverpool is only two hours from London if they want to leave straight away, one hour from the Lakes and 3 from Edinburgh so its not out of the way at all. Get your arse into gear Southampton or a lot of people will be losing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Barry A few points here in response to your post: 1. Liverpool is a great city to visit. However 20 years ago it was in a mess. Since then £2 billion worth of EC and Uk Grant money has been thrown in to pump prime the city centre and waterfront. In comparison Southampton has received buttons. Land is much more expensive in Soton than Liverpool so investors need an incentive to develop here 2. As far as I am aware it has not cost the taxpayer a penny to fund the provision of 4 cruise terminals in Southampton Port. In comparison the Liverpool facility has been funded by EC Grants plus the Liverpool Council Tax payer 3. Southampton is still likely to be No1 UK cruise port for the foreseeable future for a number of reasons. Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Southampton is a dump - I have lived in Southampton, Bournemouth, Cornwall, New Jersey, New York and Glasgow and Southampton is the worst..... by far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Barry A few points here in response to your post: 1. Liverpool is a great city to visit. However 20 years ago it was in a mess. Since then £2 billion worth of EC and Uk Grant money has been thrown in to pump prime the city centre and waterfront. In comparison Southampton has received buttons. Land is much more expensive in Soton than Liverpool so investors need an incentive to develop here 2. As far as I am aware it has not cost the taxpayer a penny to fund the provision of 4 cruise terminals in Southampton Port. In comparison the Liverpool facility has been funded by EC Grants plus the Liverpool Council Tax payer 3. Southampton is still likely to be No1 UK cruise port for the foreseeable future for a number of reasons. Hope this helps Not only is your post incorrect its not helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Just so I know which parts to ignore Barry,which part of SITS post was incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 And importantly, why are those parts incorrect? As I understand it, what sits wrote was pretty accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Barry Liverpool facility has been funded by the Liverpool Council Tax payer I think it may have been this part Minty. SITS you lying bastard! People in Liverpool don't pay council tax. Next time, if you are going to lie, at least make it plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 I think it may have been this part Minty. SITS you lying bastard! People in Liverpool don't pay council tax. Next time, if you are going to lie, at least make it plausible. To be fair he wrote it in the singular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Ah, right. That must be Pap then. Sorry, stand down. OK, which part was incorrect Barrinda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Woe betides anyone wishing to visit Liverpool on Christmas Day or Boxing Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Southampton is a dump - I have lived in Southampton, Bournemouth, Cornwall, New Jersey, New York and Glasgow and Southampton is the worst..... by far All relative really. I've lived in Southampton (and close by), Plymouth, Exeter, Portsmouth, Crawley and Bognor. Admittedly some of these places for a short amount of time but Southampton is the best...by far. It's not amazing. It's not ****. It has the potential to be much more though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 All relative really. I've lived in Southampton (and close by), Plymouth, Exeter, Portsmouth, Crawley and Bognor. Admittedly some of these places for a short amount of time but Southampton is the best...by far. It's not amazing. It's not ****. It has the potential to be much more though. But you have to admit southampton city centre is a bit of a depressing dump. Not visited Liverpool since the eighties so no comparison there. Other towns that i've lived in and stayed in offer so much more. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Woe betides anyone wishing to visit Liverpool on Christmas Day or Boxing Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2014 This is not a competition to which is the better City as there simply is no comparison, if you guys are on an average wage here the standard of living is far higher than Southampton, the issue is for our councillors to make it a more attractive place for visitors and residents alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 This is not a competition to which is the better City as there simply is no comparison, if you guys are on an average wage here the standard of living is far higher than Southampton, the issue is for our councillors to make it a more attractive place for visitors and residents alike. Our councillors what the **** are you on about? You don't even live this way. I love my city and am very proud of it. You on the other hand have moved away and can't wait to knock it. Sometimes I wish there was no internet - then we wouldn't have to put up with you or your comments. As to the standard of living it's all relative - tell me tho why did you move away? Was it to get a better standard of living because your wage here was low but transpose that to scouse land and you're probably better than average. I mean the scousers managed to survive and have a good standard of living while being on the dole for years on end. So once used to living of other peoples PAYE they now scam Europe for hand outs to build a new terminal for cruise ships - never ****ing ending handouts so you and your scouse mates can have a good standard of living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Not only is your post incorrect its not helpful. Barry Interested to know what is incorrect. Also not sure why it is deemed unhelpful. Meanwhile if you are young and out for a good time Liverpool has far more to offer than Southampton and house prices and entertainment are generally cheaper than down here so money goes further. There is a thriving black economy which helps too. Lots of scallies to contend with though but generally the natives are friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Barry Interested to know what is incorrect. Also not sure why it is deemed unhelpful. Meanwhile if you are young and out for a good time Liverpool has far more to offer than Southampton and house prices and entertainment are generally cheaper than down here so money goes further. There is a thriving black economy which helps too. Lots of scallies to contend with though but generally the natives are friendly Generally is not a rule that is all over is it? There are places in Liverpool that are far more expensive to live in than anywhere in Southampton, there are more people so more money is floating about, the outskirts are pretty good as well, West Kirby, Ormskirk, Formby, Crosby and Southport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Barry A few points here in response to your post: 1. Liverpool is a great city to visit. However 20 years ago it was in a mess. Since then £2 billion worth of EC and Uk Grant money has been thrown in to pump prime the city centre and waterfront. In comparison Southampton has received buttons. Land is much more expensive in Soton than Liverpool so investors need an incentive to develop here 2. As far as I am aware it has not cost the taxpayer a penny to fund the provision of 4 cruise terminals in Southampton Port. In comparison the Liverpool facility has been funded by EC Grants plus the Liverpool Council Tax payer 3. Southampton is still likely to be No1 UK cruise port for the foreseeable future for a number of reasons. Hope this helps 1) Southampton received an awful lot in money from the people passing through the City, what has been done to benefit the City? 2) Infrastructure in Southampton has benefited from the public purse for the acceptance of the cruises as Anderson said in the post. 3) Still likely is hardly definitive is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 Are you able to let us know the hand outs for each city Barry? Honestly no idea myself but you seem knowledgeable. For some reason you don't seem to answer half the questions you ask though. Being so knowledgeable, I really wish you would though. We could all learn something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 13 March, 2014 Share Posted 13 March, 2014 It's quite funny that people are still trying to have a reasoned debate with "Barry" when he's just another incarnation of our favourite troll Stanley. Ignore him and he'll f*ck off to Mumsnet or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 It's quite funny that people are still trying to have a reasoned debate with "Barry" when he's just another incarnation of our favourite troll Stanley. Ignore him and he'll f*ck off to Mumsnet or something. Fully agreed. I live in Manchester but often work in Liverpool for some of my clients including Peel Group who are involved in the cruise ship terminal deal as owners of the Port of Liverpool. I gained my degree from Liverpool University and lived there for a number of years. I think it's a great city. But I've never found the need to troll around comparing one city over another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 14 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 March, 2014 But I'm not trolling at all, thats a simple defensive method, where has the money gone and what have the council done with it? They have not invested in Southampton have they? Questions should be asked, if money is going to be taken away the local residents have every right to be ****ed off, its called caring about the City you were born in, the apathy on here clearly demonstrates why Southampton is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Time is money. Liverpool will hardly take over from Southampton in the cruise industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 The councils over the years and the local businesses may well have let Southampton down badly since the post-war period (I could argue the employees in the docks also let the city down), but fact of the matter is that Liverpool have been handed an uneven playing field with this decision. Southampton Ocean Terminal has been built and improved with private finance, and Liverpool was given a public handout to fit with the self-entitled scroungers and theives that live there. I am still angry about how ship-building in Hampshire was thrown to the wolves in order to bribe a few voters in Arthur Blackpudding land in the 80s and Sweaty Sock land this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 For once I find myself agreeing with BS. Southampton has become a soulless cultural wasteland. I was born and brought up in the city and lived here all of my life. When I was young we had a stadium that held Speedway, greyhound racing and Stock car racing. There was an ice rink with an ice hockey team . The Lido, Southampton Show, latterly The Balloon Festival...all gone and not replaced. There are no decent museums. This city has had a remarkable history, but very little has been done to celebrate it. We missed the boat (if you'll forgive the pun) with the whole Titanic thing - other cities didn't. Sea City doesn't seem to know what it is and is hardly going to make people visit the city. I had a "conversation" with the City Coucil leader a few years ago about this and it was obvious that they were only interested in attracting more hotels and shopping areas. He said that they couldn't attract any entrepreneurs to provide money for attractions and asked if I knew any! As much as I detest that place down the M27 they are getting it right with their attractions. SCC just don't seem to care. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 For once I find myself agreeing with BS. Southampton has become a soulless cultural wasteland. I was born and brought up in the city and lived here all of my life. When I was young we had a stadium that held Speedway, greyhound racing and Stock car racing. There was an ice rink with an ice hockey team . The Lido, Southampton Show, latterly The Balloon Festival...all gone and not replaced. There are no decent museums. This city has had a remarkable history, but very little has been done to celebrate it. We missed the boat (if you'll forgive the pun) with the whole Titanic thing - other cities didn't. Sea City doesn't seem to know what it is and is hardly going to make people visit the city. I had a "conversation" with the City Coucil leader a few years ago about this and it was obvious that they were only interested in attracting more hotels and shopping areas. He said that they couldn't attract any entrepreneurs to provide money for attractions and asked if I knew any! As much as I detest that place down the M27 they are getting it right with their attractions. SCC just don't seem to care. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk How many cities of Southampton's size have particularly successful or interesting museums? What sort of cultural attractions are wanted that are not provided? The problem is, the majority of people want nice shops and go to them to spend their money - it might not be particularly interesting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 (edited) The councils over the years and the local businesses may well have let Southampton down badly since the post-war period (I could argue the employees in the docks also let the city down), but fact of the matter is that Liverpool have been handed an uneven playing field with this decision. Southampton Ocean Terminal has been built and improved with private finance, and Liverpool was given a public handout to fit with the self-entitled scroungers and theives that live there. I am still angry about how ship-building in Hampshire was thrown to the wolves in order to bribe a few voters in Arthur Blackpudding land in the 80s and Sweaty Sock land this year. You're still angry about most stuff, aren't you? If we want to talk uneven playing fields, perhaps we should talk about how the north half of the pitch was allowed to fall into disrepair for nigh on 20 years. Edited 14 March, 2014 by pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 14 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 March, 2014 The councils over the years and the local businesses may well have let Southampton down badly since the post-war period (I could argue the employees in the docks also let the city down), but fact of the matter is that Liverpool have been handed an uneven playing field with this decision. Southampton Ocean Terminal has been built and improved with private finance, and Liverpool was given a public handout to fit with the self-entitled scroungers and theives that live there. I am still angry about how ship-building in Hampshire was thrown to the wolves in order to bribe a few voters in Arthur Blackpudding land in the 80s and Sweaty Sock land this year. The good news about that is the little skates will never vote for those back stabbing cheating tory ***** again. As for the Liverpool dig, what about the proposed managed close down and sabotage of the City by the tories? Southampton always makes me proud when I see a tiny Island of red in a sea of ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 1) Southampton received an awful lot in money from the people passing through the City, what has been done to benefit the City? How much money? Who benefits? - hotels, port, taxi drivers, shops, cruise companies and all those people who work for and are associated with these companies.? They either pay business taxes or income tax. Where does this money go, it goes to Central Govt for re distribution, or to the EC as part of the membership deal. How much money has Southampton got back in Business rates up until recently? 75% of the taxable revenue paid by local firms. Poor reward Certain 'poorer' areas in the UK (plus London) have done very well out of this arrangement receiving more than their contributions Areas such as Liverpool have benefited from money raised down here They have also got billions from EC Objective One status You can argue this is fair enough but you cant then moan about Southampton being a crap town in comparison when more or less every recent major project in Liverpool has benefitted from EC/UK Govt funding (apart from the Duke of Westminster's Liverpool One retail development) whereas Southampton Council have been forced to do deals on commercial market with companies who want a decent return and this means housing or retail 2) Infrastructure in Southampton has benefited from the public purse for the acceptance of the cruises as Anderson said in the post. And you believe Joe Anderson???????????????????? The infrastructure project he was referring to was the rail line upgrade designed to take heavy freight containers off the road. He probably didn't realise that most major UK ports obtained similar benefits, including Liverpool!! 3) Still likely is hardly definitive is it? Explain!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 How many cities of Southampton's size have particularly successful or interesting museums? What sort of cultural attractions are wanted that are not provided? The problem is, the majority of people want nice shops and go to them to spend their money - it might not be particularly interesting though. How do nice shops attract outsiders/tourists etc? Portsmouth, Winchester and even Salisbury have much to attract them. What has Southampton got apart from shops and hotels? Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Much of this is now becoming subjective based on individuals personal preferences. I think Southampton could be a lot better than it is, but I don't think it is as bad as many make out. I thought the thread should've been more about the subsidies given to Liverpool and whether that was 'fair' or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 How do nice shops attract outsiders/tourists etc? Portsmouth, Winchester and even Salisbury have much to attract them. What has Southampton got apart from shops and hotels? Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Well nice shops do definitely attract outsiders and visitors, that is quite clear to see across the UK. So what do Portsmouth, Winchester and Salisbury have that attracts visitors that you want Southampton to also have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 barry is an odd one does not like the team much and does not like the city much. Nor lives there why on earth does he even post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Well nice shops do definitely attract outsiders and visitors, that is quite clear to see across the UK. So what do Portsmouth, Winchester and Salisbury have that attracts visitors that you want Southampton to also have? Portsmouth is a shyte hole. bar gunwharf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Much of this is now becoming subjective based on individuals personal preferences. I think Southampton could be a lot better than it is, but I don't think it is as bad as many make out. I thought the thread should've been more about the subsidies given to Liverpool and whether that was 'fair' or not... I think pretty much everyone agrees such subsidies are unfair, I'm not sure how they can be defined as "fair". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Portsmouth is a shyte hole. bar gunwharf. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 I think pretty much everyone agrees such subsidies are unfair, I'm not sure how they can be defined as "fair". There's little point discussing it with you anyway, Sour Mash. Isn't your default retort a one-line "oh no it isn't" for anything you don't agree with? I prefer that line in panto, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 They can have all the subsidies they ;like...... That still won't but them two tides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Exactly. HMS Victory, Mary Rose. Warrior, Royal Navy Museum, D Day Museum, Spinnaker Tower.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 HMS Victory, Mary Rose. Warrior, Royal Navy Museum, D Day Museum, Spinnaker Tower.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 The good news about that is the little skates will never vote for those back stabbing cheating tory ***** again good news for the back stabbing cheating labour ****s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 HMS Victory, Mary Rose. Warrior, Royal Navy Museum, D Day Museum, Spinnaker Tower.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk What about them? You want Southampton to go and get an HMS Victory etc? This is an interesting enough read, make of it what you will https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/future/ccplans/vipproj/cultural-quarter.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 how is sour mash even still posting? I thought he had been dealt with??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 It is a bit of a liberty to keep posting after being dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 he is got some cheek i tell you that! If i was dealt with as thoroughly as sour mash was dealt with, i would never show my face again! srsly! Has he no shame???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 You're still angry about most stuff, aren't you? If we want to talk uneven playing fields, perhaps we should talk about how the north half of the pitch was allowed to fall into disrepair for nigh on 20 years. Ah, wondered how long that cliche would take to be played. The player didnt surprise me though... Its just like the Sweaties using Thatcher and the Poll Tax as an excuse for independence; the best argument they've got is over 20 years old and sod all the bribing thats come since... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 What about them? You want Southampton to go and get an HMS Victory etc? This is an interesting enough read, make of it what you will https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/future/ccplans/vipproj/cultural-quarter.aspx Yes that is exactly what I am saying. Southampton should bid to bring Victory in and put it in Guildhall Square . I wasn't pointing out the "interesting" things that that shyte hole has. Oh no My next campaign is going to to bid for the Tower of London and put it on the Common Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 14 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 March, 2014 Ah, wondered how long that cliche would take to be played. The player didnt surprise me though... Its just like the Sweaties using Thatcher and the Poll Tax as an excuse for independence; the best argument they've got is over 20 years old and sod all the bribing thats come since... Says the man who contributes to the UK economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 March, 2014 Share Posted 14 March, 2014 southampton is a dump liverpool is a dump great debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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