dronskisaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Is it going to be 29-0? (Excluding us getting relegated, QPR's transfer policy being better than ours, Wigan staying up, J-Rod not being worth half what we paid, Norwich's fantastic summer signings, van Wolfswinkel being the signing of the season, etc) :D:D The skates-eye view 'disguise' wearing very thin :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Didn't he say something about trying to keep players but if the hockey gods deem it necessary that they go, than he will have to respect that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Hey I've got news for you Kreuger does not have a crystal ball. Have a little faith in our owner to make the right decisions. Words mean nothing its the actions and results that will determine if Kreuger was the right man for the job. Did anybody ask him if there were plans for a skating ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 My only prediction is I thought it was admirable the way Norwich spent, sure wrong now but who wanted Osvaldo? Mayuka? Ramirez? QPR again they had the ******** to do it, we cant even field your first eleven when safe from going down, hardly a fantastic example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Is it going to be 29-0? (Excluding us getting relegated, QPR's transfer policy being better than ours, Wigan staying up, J-Rod not being worth half what we paid, Norwich's fantastic summer signings, van Wolfswinkel being the signing of the season, etc) He's a football knowledge genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Name them, clubs that are in Europe? Or has this been sidelined? Atletico Madrid (Falcao), Arsenal (Van Persie, Nasri), Manchester United (Ronaldo), Borussia Dortmund (Gotze), Tottenham (Modric) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 By far and away the most important thing said (as on the BBC strapline) is KL is not selling the club - that instantly takes out all the uncertainty fans,players and manager had in the summer. If we sell Shaw and Lallana to CL clubs, that's life, nothing to do with ambition etc, players want and deserve to play at the highest levels if they are good enough (plus get the cash) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Krueger said the plans for the stadium expansion and development of the surrounding area are... Simon Peach @SimonPeach 4m @MatthewLeGod Being reassessed & he seemed keen to look at ways of monetizing area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Krueger said the plans for the stadium expansion and development of the surrounding area are... Simon Peach @SimonPeach 4m @MatthewLeGod Being reassessed & he seemed keen to look at ways of monetizing area. Excellent. Maybe he'll go for a 60K stadium instead of the paltry 50K Cortese had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Excellent. Maybe he'll go for a 60K stadium instead of the paltry 50K Cortese had in mind. Its not just about capacity, "monetizing area" is term used. You can see that from the AFL designs it is only the Kingland that has been expanded in capacity, a new facade on the outside of the stadium which has a larger footprint and a large amount of land developed surrounding the stadium. If the club owns all of that it could be a nice earner for them. It may only be an expansion to 38k or 40k, the club clearly aren't dismissing it as our current chairman has stated today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Its not just about capacity, "monetizing area" is term used. You can see that from the AFL designs it is only the Kingland that has been expanded in capacity, a new facade on the outside of the stadium which has a larger footprint and a large amount of land developed surrounding the stadium. If the club owns all of that it could be a nice earner for them. It may only be an expansion to 38k or 40k, the club clearly aren't dismissing it as our current chairman has stated today. In which case it's a hell of a lot more of a realistic and viable ambition than the 50k "project" you were a fan of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Its not just about capacity, "monetizing area" is term used. You can see that from the AFL designs it is only the Kingland that has been expanded in capacity, a new facade on the outside of the stadium which has a larger footprint and a large amount of land developed surrounding the stadium. If the club owns all of that it could be a nice earner for them. It may only be an expansion to 38k or 40k, the club clearly aren't dismissing it as our current chairman has stated today. How long would it take such a development to return significant funds to Southampton Football Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 And in other news, the new Board of Southampton Football Club announced a new monkey chicken petting zoo. Now where is Trousers with his groundhog? Personally, I will take everything said today with a massive pinch of salt. All I care about is turning up to every home game with belief that my team can win against anyone on their day utilising players that connect with the supporters and the club. I will not judge Krueger yet - time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 In which case it's a hell of a lot more of a realistic and viable ambition than the 50k project you were a fan of. No I wasn't. I'd be happy with an expansion to the Kingland to 38k/39k/40k as a first stage and the club owning and developing the surrounding land like in that picture with hotels, apartments, shops etc. It would provide new revenue streams for the club and also improve a less than impressive area of the the city. It also raises the profile of the club, a development like this makes the club more attractive for commercial sponsorship. Something we are lagging behind in compared to those clubs above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 How long would it take such a development to return significant funds to Southampton Football Club? If all property developers used that logic nothing new would ever be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 No I wasn't. You did a good job of hiding that fact, you acted like cheerleader in chief for the supposed "50K stadium" vision. In any case; any development that revitalises the area around the stadium must be a good thing, and if it benefits the club then even better. Hopefully the council will jump on board with some funding and we might have a surrounding area that isn't a complete sh*thole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 If all property developers used that logic nothing new would ever be built. If all property developers considered when they'd get a return on their investment, nothing would get built? What are you on about now? Thats what they all do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 In which case it's a hell of a lot more of a realistic and viable ambition than the 50k "project" you were a fan of. We used to sell out when we weren't investing in the team and fighting relegation. Imagine how many fans we would be turning away if we were top ten, with multi million pound signings and four England players in the team? Imagine how big the stadium would need to be. Just imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) If all property developers considered when they'd get a return on their investment, nothing would get built? What are you on about now? Thats what they all do. As Krueger talked about monetizing the area, and it is land not currently owned by the club then that suggests it is the club rather than an external entity that will benefit from it. In which case it is the club that would be looking to buy the land and then build the hotel, offices, apartments, shops etc. Large initial outlay, but all provide income for many years to come. Other clubs have done similar and/or are looking to do similar on larger/smaller scales. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 As Krueger talked about monetizing the area, and it is land not currently owned by the club then that suggests it is the club rather than an external entity that will benefit from it. In which case it is the club that would be looking to buy the land and then build the hotel, offices, apartments, shops etc. Large initial outlay, but all provide income for many years to come. Other clubs have done similar and/or are looking to do similar. Yes, I know all that and I just asked you a straight forward question about it, which you're refusing to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 He see's a gap in the market for more commercial revenues, so i'm guessing lets try and crack America, a tour to America each year will probably gain a good income but without "top players" ppl wont take notice, so keeping hold of our players and getting top players in ( who fit into the team mould ) is a must for that to happen. Getting a good sponsor for next season will also be high up on the agenda, our one atm is one of the lowest in the league and no-way good enough for a top 10 team and to get a top sponsor you need good players. So it all adds up in my eyes that keeping and getting better players will help us long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 MLG, I have respect for your enthusiasm....but Christ....I don't want to be Sunderland or Middlesbrough with a half full stadium every other week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Yes, I know all that and I just asked you a straight forward question about it, which you're refusing to answer. The outlay for such a development would be exempt from FFP, yet the income from the rent and sales of apartments/shops/offices and the hotel wouldn't. Those new revenue streams would benefit Saints in the short/medium/long term and that money could be used on the team as well as increasing the value and profile of the St Mary's Group Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) MLG, I have respect for your enthusiasm....but Christ....I don't want to be Sunderland or Middlesbrough with a half full stadium every other week!! You'd have a point if a) it was just my idea and not something the chairman of the club said today they were looking into and b) it was a larger expansion than only another tier on the Kingsland. I think 40k will be fine for us, yes we won't sell every game out at that size but we would for some. People tend to focus on the "stadium expansion", I think that will end up being only one part of any development. It is monetizing the surrounding area to the club's benefit that will be key. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 MLG, I have respect for your enthusiasm....but Christ....I don't want to be Sunderland or Middlesbrough with a half full stadium every other week!! I wouldn't worry too much. Krueger says that they're reassessing the current concept plans. That could mean anything, including that they will scrap the idea of stadium expansion (number of seats) entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 The outlay for such a development would be exempt from FFP, yet the income from the rent and sales of apartments/shops/offices and the hotel wouldn't. Those new revenue streams would benefit Saints in the short/medium/long term and that money could be used on the team as well as increasing the value and profile of the St Mary's Group Ltd. Yes, all fine, yet still you don't answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 If all property developers used that logic nothing new would ever be built. I'm sorry but if all developers used your logic then nothing would get built because they very soon would go out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 You'd have a point if a) it was just my idea and not something the chairman of the club said today they were looking into and b) it was a larger expansion than only another tier on the Kingsland. I think 40k will be fine for us, yes we won't sell every game out at that size but we would for some. People tend to focus on the "stadium expansion", I think that will end up being only one part of any development. It is monetizing the surrounding area to the club's benefit that will be key. How's the club going to monetize the surrounding area (whatever that means), if it doesn't own the land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Yes, all fine, yet still you don't answer my question. Well as your question was... "How long would it take such a development to return significant funds to Southampton Football Club?" And all I have to go on is one concept design from an architect with no annotations it is impossible for me to answer! For a start we can only guess at the use for each of the buildings let alone their potential income or cost to construct. The tall building on the left looks like it might be a hotel, but as for its size and potential income it is hard to tell. Other buildings look like apartments with shops/restaurants below, maybe some offices and the red building has similarities with a banqueting/conference suite at a Edgebaston cricket ground. But its still only guesses from one picture. Why does it even matter if it is a long time? The football club will still exist in many decades to come, such a development provides a new revenue stream to it for many years and also raises the value of the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 How's the club going to monetize the surrounding area (whatever that means), if it doesn't own the land? By buying the surrounding land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 You'd have a point if a) it was just my idea and not something the chairman of the club said today they were looking into and b) it was a larger expansion than only another tier on the Kingsland. I think 40k will be fine for us, yes we won't sell every game out at that size but we would for some. People tend to focus on the "stadium expansion", I think that will end up being only one part of any development. It is monetizing the surrounding area to the club's benefit that will be key. Genuine question - what is the extent of the area surrounding the ground that the club own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 By buying the surrounding land. Probably multi owners. What if the owners don't want to sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Well as your question was... "How long would it take such a development to return significant funds to Southampton Football Club?" And all I have to go on is one concept design from an architect with no annotations it is impossible for me to answer! For a start we can only guess at the use for each of the buildings let alone their potential income or cost to construct. The tall building on the left looks like it might be a hotel, but as for its size and potential income it is hard to tell. Other buildings look like apartments with shops/restaurants below, maybe some offices and the red building has similarities with a banqueting/conference suite at a Edgebaston cricket ground. But its still only guesses from one picture. Why does it even matter if it is a long time? The football club will still exist in many decades to come, such a development provides a new revenue stream to it for many years and also raises the value of the company. So let's get this straight; you think KL should spend what, £25/30m to plan, design and build a hotel and shopping area in the welcoming surrounds of St Marys, it'd take let's say 5 years from now to open, then it will make how much profit to return into the club each year? £500k a year would be a fantastic return, but that's not going to make a significant difference to the club's stature or commercial weight. Is that what you think the plan should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So let's get this straight; you think KL should spend what, £25/30m to plan, design and build a hotel and shopping area in the welcoming surrounds of St Marys, it'd take let's say 5 years from now to open, then it will make how much profit to return into the club each year? £500k a year would be a fantastic return, but that's not going to make a significant difference to the club's stature or commercial weight. Is that what you think the plan should be? That's the problem with this kind of scheme. Really not much more than relegation insurance, a potential secure revenue stream (or asset we can flog) were we to end up skint one day. No one is going to rocket into the top four on the back of a hotel and a Wagamamas adjacent to their stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So let's get this straight; you think KL should spend what, £25/30m to plan, design and build a hotel and shopping area in the welcoming surrounds of St Marys, it'd take let's say 5 years from now to open, then it will make how much profit to return into the club each year? £500k a year would be a fantastic return, but that's not going to make a significant difference to the club's stature or commercial weight. Is that what you think the plan should be? Where have you plucked £500k from? Looks like a huge number of apartments in that image, not to mentioned the shop/office rent and the money a large hotel would make. Just look at the scale of the development and the size of some of the buildings. If it really is a daft suggestion, why is the club looking at it? Maybe its not a goer, but it isn't daft and is worth considering. Which is what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Where have you plucked £500k from? Looks like a huge number of apartments in that image, not to mentioned the shop/office rent and the money a large hotel would make. Just look at the scale of the development and the size of some of the buildings. If it really is a daft suggestion, why is the club looking at it? Maybe its not a goer, but it isn't daft and is worth considering. Which is what is happening. Just a guess at a figure. What you reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 That's the problem with this kind of scheme. Really not much more than relegation insurance, a potential secure revenue stream (or asset we can flog) were we to end up skint one day. No one is going to rocket into the top four on the back of a hotel and a Wagamamas adjacent to their stadium. Exactly. It'd be good if we did undertake some kind of development or expansion, but let's not pretend it'll have any significant impact on our financial clout in the world of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) Both of these have been granted planning permission... Plymouth Argyle - new grandstand, an ice rink, ten-screen cinema, a hotel, shops and restaurants... Brentford - new stadium with hotel, apartments, shops etc... With FFP developments such as these are the future for clubs as they look for new revenue streams. It is things like that which help sustainability of a club and isn't dependant on league position. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Plymouth and Brentford, eh, MLG? I can remember when we were bigger than Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Both of these have been granted planning permission... Plymouth Argyle - new grandstand, an ice rink, ten-screen cinema, a hotel, shops and restaurants... Brentford - new stadium with hotel, apartments, shops etc... With FFP developments such as these are the future for clubs as they look for new revenue streams. It is things like that which help sustainability of a club and isn't dependant on league position. Like Chelsea Village? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Plymouth and Brentford, eh, MLG? I'm lost as to your point. If Plymouth and Brentford can do it, why not us? Chelsea did it with Chelsea Village many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Like Chelsea Village? Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Indeed. Chelsea isn't sustainable. It's bankrolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 No I wasn't. I'd be happy with an expansion to the Kingland to 38k/39k/40k as a first stage and the club owning and developing the surrounding land like in that picture with hotels, apartments, shops etc. It would provide new revenue streams for the club and also improve a less than impressive area of the the city. It also raises the profile of the club, a development like this makes the club more attractive for commercial sponsorship. Something we are lagging behind in compared to those clubs above us. Here we go again...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Chelsea isn't sustainable. It's bankrolled. Did I say it was sustainable as a club? No But Chelsea Village does help provide an income for the club and has done for many years and will continue to do so in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Don't worry, he doesn't want to go, I know that for a fact. Will 100% be here in September unless we get a stupid, Balesque bid for him from abroad, the same with Lallana (who also is keen to stay). Feel free to save this post etc. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Don't worry, he doesn't want to go, I know that for a fact. Will 100% be here in September unless we get a stupid, Balesque bid for him from abroad, the same with Lallana (who also is keen to stay). Feel free to save this post etc. So in summery he will be here 100% unless we do sell him. I will save this post for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 And in other news, the new Board of Southampton Football Club announced a new monkey chicken petting zoo. Now where is Trousers with his groundhog? Personally, I will take everything said today with a massive pinch of salt. All I care about is turning up to every home game with belief that my team can win against anyone on their day utilising players that connect with the supporters and the club. I will not judge Krueger yet - time will tell. Yep and that's why I said earlier this would be a frustrating day for the win at any cost fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 My only prediction is I thought it was admirable the way Norwich spent, sure wrong now but who wanted Osvaldo? Mayuka? Ramirez? QPR again they had the ******** to do it, we cant even field your first eleven when safe from going down, hardly a fantastic example.[/quote Please go and support one of these other teams. You won't be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I'm lost as to your point. If Plymouth and Brentford can do it, why not us? Chelsea did it with Chelsea Village many years ago. I haven't said we shouldn't do it, just that it won't really be relevant to our performance in the Premier League. It would be a nice "brand extension" and a form of relegation insurance. Unless you are seriously suggesting Chelsea Village is wot won the Champions League for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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