Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So, I think here we see the thoughts on the future, and the past (Cortese), and I think this will mould our outlook going forward. My thoughts are: - Don't expect the lavish spending we have seen over the last couple of years. - Expect that some of our higher prices assets could be sold to fund the club going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Thats quite some leap from a standard Corporate sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Yeah I thought that. No mention of the champions league or a sand cruiser outside of the stadium. #ourdreamhaschanged #sustainabilityishappening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Thats quite some leap from a standard Corporate sentence. Obviously the thoughts are we need to be sustainable and not rely on handouts from the owners. I don't disagree with that mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 How does selling our best assets keep us healthy? If we fall down the leagues we would become very unhealthy very quickly. I think that the new team will look into different commercial aspects to help bring in revenue so we can continue to grow and keep the talent we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So, I think here we see the thoughts on the future, and the past (Cortese), and I think this will mould our outlook going forward. My thoughts are: - Don't expect the lavish spending we have seen over the last couple of years. - Expect that some of our higher prices assets could be sold to fund the club going forward. I could not disagree more with your analysis. “Although there is a solid foundation in place, the Club still has tremendous untapped commercial potential. We will continue to nurture “The Southampton Way” by reaching for consistent growth in all departments to ultimately build a culture that allows Southampton to remain healthy and sustainable in the future.” I read that totally that they want to grow more revenue streams and that by doing so, they need to invest (still) in the club. Once investment is realising benefit, the aim will therefore be that the club will be self-funded and not requiring significant capital investment on an ongoing basis. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 How does selling our best assets keep us healthy? We get a ridiculously good offer? Plenty of successful clubs have sold top players and have continued to be successful, it just depends how well the process is managed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I assume your analysis is written whilst one hand is holding your fishing line is it ? Failing that your reading between the lines is quite incredible ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I could not disagree more with your analysis. “Although there is a solid foundation in place, the Club still has tremendous untapped commercial potential. We will continue to nurture “The Southampton Way” by reaching for consistent growth in all departments to ultimately build a culture that allows Southampton to remain healthy and sustainable in the future.” I read that totally that they want to grow more revenue streams and that by doing so, they need to invest (still) in the club. Once investment is realising benefit, the aim will therefore be that the club will be self-funded and not requiring significant capital investment on an ongoing basis. No? You should know by now that on here you are not allowed to put statements in their full context - you have to cherry pick and edit to create an 'agenda'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2014 How does selling our best assets keep us healthy? If we fall down the leagues we would become very unhealthy very quickly. I think that the new team will look into different commercial aspects to help bring in revenue so we can continue to grow and keep the talent we already have. I mean assets like Luke Shaw. Selling him will bring in £30m to invest in new players for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I could not disagree more with your analysis. “Although there is a solid foundation in place, the Club still has tremendous untapped commercial potential. We will continue to nurture “The Southampton Way” by reaching for consistent growth in all departments to ultimately build a culture that allows Southampton to remain healthy and sustainable in the future.” I read that totally that they want to grow more revenue streams and that by doing so, they need to invest (still) in the club. Once investment is realising benefit, the aim will therefore be that the club will be self-funded and not requiring significant capital investment on an ongoing basis. No? I don't disagree that we will look at increasing current revenue streams and also exploiting new ones. However, it seems to me that Cortese was running the club unsubstantially based on the Champions League endgame. He goes and then we hire someone who mentions sustainability etc. That says to me we will look to increase revenue in line with reducing expenditure to a more sustainable level. Why do you disagree with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I mean assets like Luke Shaw. Selling him will bring in £30m to invest in new players for instance. If we can get 30m for Shaw and re-invest that into the team then that would be sound business. A £15m new left back and a £15m centre back for instance would be damn good players at that price (unless they were english and inflated!) I still don't think we'll sell anyone unless they really want to go though. And to be honest if Shaw and Lallana want Champions League football I wouldn't blame them for leaving, they deserve to be in the Worlds best competitions. Either way I don't think the only way the new lot are going to have us sustaining ourselves is by selling off all our best youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Probably means jacking up ticket prices a la the Glazers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I thought that it was a positive club statement, and a clear commitment to the future. Significantly Katherina looked happy and committed to Saints too, standing beside the new Chairman. I was worried when NC resigned, but I do feel somewhat reassured.. Next let's hear that MoPo has agreed a new contract. Then we can move on and plan positively for next season. Regarding fears about selling our best players, the new Board must understand that the value of the club is little more than the skills of our team and future success in climbing the Premiership and European football is dependent on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Cortese was all about sustainability as well. See how investment rose proportionally with league status. Krueger repeated the line that he wants us to fulfill our potential. What we'll find out is what he thinks we are capable of. He may agree or disagree with Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Probably means jacking up ticket prices a la the Glazers. Cortese never gave a toss about anything other than on the pitch success. Today is a blow for the success at any cost types but is a hugely satisfying and exciting day for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 The OP choose to leave off the word ultimately, that makes a hugh difference to the analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 it's not about spending less it's about finding other revenue streams i.e. car park charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) “Although there is a solid foundation in place, the Club still has tremendous untapped commercial potential. ” on other words, we can make a lot more now from the next shirt sponsorship deal. Oh and perhaps selling sponsorship on SFC personnel shirt collars as well: Edited 12 March, 2014 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So, I think here we see the thoughts on the future, and the past (Cortese), and I think this will mould our outlook going forward. My thoughts are: - Don't expect the lavish spending we have seen over the last couple of years. - Expect that some of our higher prices assets could be sold to fund the club going forward. Thats quite some leap from a standard Corporate sentence. I don't remember Cortese saying he wants us to be "unhealthy and unsustainable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) “The moment you are in the Premiership you have got to be sustainable. The academy is very important to become a sustainable business." - Nicola Cortese http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/9201250/Southampton-aiming-to-emulate-Barcelonas-homegrown-succes-as-they-near-Premier-League-return.html Edited 12 March, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I don't remember Cortese saying he wants us to be "unhealthy and unsustainable". That was his best interview MLG, on the Richard Bacon show on 5 live. You must be gutted you missed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Cortese never gave a toss about anything other than on the pitch success. Today is a blow for the success at any cost types but is a hugely satisfying and exciting day for the rest. The statement today sounded quite similar to Cortese's first statement. If the next 4 years are anything like the last, we should definitely all be excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 The statement today sounded quite similar to Cortese's first statement. If the next 4 years are anything like the last, we should definitely all be excited. Have you listened to the interview? Because it sounded the polar opposite of what I heard from cortese. As wes said in another thread, this should hopefully be more exciting because he is goibg to keep the business acumen whilst respecting and including the fans and respecting the history of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 I mean assets like Luke Shaw. Selling him will bring in £30m to invest in new players for instance. But those new players will not have been raised in "the SOuthampton way". It's surely better to keep Shaw. Anyway why sell him to have to spend nearly as much to replace him with someone as, or nearly as, good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 But those new players will not have been raised in "the SOuthampton way". It's surely better to keep Shaw. Anyway why sell him to have to spend nearly as much to replace him with someone as, or nearly as, good. Because he wants to go? Lovren was not raised in the Southampton way but he is bloody brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Have you listened to the interview? Because it sounded the polar opposite of what I heard from cortese. As wes said in another thread, this should hopefully be more exciting because he is goibg to keep the business acumen whilst respecting and including the fans and respecting the history of the club. Always a good idea to not get yourself into a excited frenzy over some carefully crafted statements and interviews. Hopefully he can tie down Poch to a new contract and focus on driving the squad and academy forward first and foremost and not just focus on a few PR quick wins to appease the masses in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Always a good idea to not get yourself into a excited frenzy over some carefully crafted statements and interviews. Hopefully he can tie down Poch to a new contract and focus on driving the squad and academy forward first and foremost and not just focus on a few PR quick wins to appease the masses in the short term. Thanks for the advice but I'm not in any sort of frenzy. A frenzy was the way people reacted after that nauseating pr piece on the BBC a few months back. As I have a background in pr I have my eyes wide open thanks very much and of course actions will speak louder than words. I like what I have read and heard about this guy though and as an initial statement it is exciting and seemingly a very positive and refreshing change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 There's quite a big gap between selling a player or two and falling down the leagues. It keeps the club financially healthy with money to reinvest, chances for more academy players etc. In the past it wasn't losing the likes of Bridge that got us relegated, just not reacting to it well enough long term. Bigger clubs than us lose their best players and keep doing well. Everton always manage alright. Look at Atletico, amazing what they manage to do. Well said Adrian. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Cortese was reported to be difficult to work with and and very demanding which perhaps made gaining extra commercial revenues harder to come by. A more open and democratic management team may have better success in building corporate relationships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 From 6:10 in the video he talks about the club's ambitions by stating... "There are areas, for example commercial where there is a gap from where we are today and where we need to be to sustain the level of play we want to sustain here." If we want to be higher than 9th, 8th, 7th we will need to close the gap commercially with other clubs in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Because he wants to go? Lovren was not raised in the Southampton way but he is bloody brilliant. Don't worry, he doesn't want to go, I know that for a fact. Will 100% be here in September unless we get a stupid, Balesque bid for him from abroad, the same with Lallana (who also is keen to stay). Feel free to save this post etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So, I think here we see the thoughts on the future, and the past (Cortese), and I think this will mould our outlook going forward. My thoughts are: - Don't expect the lavish spending we have seen over the last couple of years. - Expect that some of our higher prices assets could be sold to fund the club going forward. :lol: I see a lot of thought went into that. Probably an accurate summary tbh so not saying it's wrong but I would have thought pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Why do people talk as if getting lots of money for a player guarantees that the club will improve to the tune of that amount? If we have Luke Shaw, we theoretically have a 30m left back. If we sell him, we have one or two players that we find that cost that much and will sign for us, if it's all reinvested. Sometimes transfers work out, sometimes they don't. If we sell him and get in an Osvaldo and a Ramirez, then we have improved to the tune of one decent substitute. And that's not just a comment that damns our ability to spend well. That's how it is for all clubs, we just notice it more for our club. For every decent player United sign, they spend loads on players that don't really work out, like Berbatov, Veron, Taibi, Saha, Forlan etc. However much we spend on transfers, we should expect that about half of that spending won't work out. If you want to do well, you're far better off keeping hold of the player that you know can do the job well if you can, even if the price you're being offered seems inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 As the OP is cherry-picking one line from the long interview that Ralph Krueger gave and putting his own spin on it, why couldn't his opinion have been posted on the original thread? Are we to have the whole interview dissected and separate threads started for every little nuance? Typical of this place and those posters that have to have their "look at me" moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 If we want to be higher than 9th, 8th, 7th we will need to close the gap commercially with other clubs in the Premier League. For once something i agree with, thing is though i'm not sure how much i want it. If closing the gap commercially means Southampton becoming a brand that tries to attract foreign fans in the droves and sells out it's core soul - a club that represents our city - then i'm not sure that a price i want to pay for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Don't worry, he doesn't want to go, I know that for a fact. Will 100% be here in September unless we get a stupid, Balesque bid for him from abroad, the same with Lallana (who also is keen to stay). Feel free to save this post etc. Good news. If he doesn't want to go then he won't be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 There's quite a big gap between selling a player or two and falling down the leagues. It keeps the club financially healthy with money to reinvest, chances for more academy players etc. In the past it wasn't losing the likes of Bridge that got us relegated, just not reacting to it well enough long term. Bigger clubs than us lose their best players and keep doing well. Everton always manage alright. Look at Atletico, amazing what they manage to do. In general I dont disagree with these principles, but IMHO it all depends on whether we continue to develop and improve under such a model or whether we stagnates and become one of those 9-14th perrenials. I appreciate that for some that is enough - as they accept that in all probability without substantial underwritten investment, competing beyond top 8 is an unrealistic expectation anyway.... I can no longer agree with that. Whatever the level of realism or not I am just fed up with the whole concept of accepting mid table as the best we can hope for- some find these 'dreams' and aspirations as naive but what they fail to understand its never about the result. Its about how serious we try. We will see how the new board deliver and it would be wrong to prejudice and be negative before they have had a chance to show the new approaches etc. it's also wrong to base too much on statements - sorry hypo but for someone with a 'pr background' you seem disproportionately naive if you see that as anything other than a eel crafted standard - we should wait national we see actions. with respect to selling players - well depends , yes all clubs sell best talent, BUT it's about the timing. If a talent like Luke goes after 1 season at 18 because we think that is acceptable then we will never be more than that stagnating club - him going at 22-23 after 2 or 3 years that we have benefitted from is fair enough. To me what happens in the summer with Luke and Adam will say a lot about what we can expect in terms of future aspiration - that would have been the same under NC by the way, but suspect he may well have played had ball - just hope the new board do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 So, I think here we see the thoughts on the future, and the past (Cortese), and I think this will mould our outlook going forward. My thoughts are: - Don't expect the lavish spending we have seen over the last couple of years. - Expect that some of our higher prices assets could be sold to fund the club going forward. If we start SELLING our Star players (normally higher price assets) , we certainly WON'T be going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 If the club really do want to compete at the higher end of the table then, we have to expand our commercial revenue streams to even have a chance of competing, due to the financial fair play rules. For me the clue is the name change; "St Mary's Group Of Companies" which suggests they will expand that from just the club and the stadium (Catering might also be in there - not sure) to include other companies and maybe a large degree of diversity. I was sure the Club would be sold, but everything I see and read now suggests the opposite. Looks like Katrina turned into a Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 If we start SELLING our Star players (normally higher price assets) , we certainly WON'T be going forward It depends who we sell how many we sell and who we replace them with. Nowhere near as black and white as you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 If the club really do want to compete at the higher end of the table then, we have to expand our commercial revenue streams to even have a chance of competing, due to the financial fair play rules. For me the clue is the name change; "St Mary's Group Of Companies" which suggests they will expand that from just the club and the stadium (Catering might also be in there - not sure) to include other companies and maybe a large degree of diversity. Hotel, offices, apartments, shops, restaurants, conference and banqueting centre etc...? The dream lives on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 We get a ridiculously good offer? Plenty of successful clubs have sold top players and have continued to be successful, it just depends how well the process is managed. Name them, clubs that are in Europe? Or has this been sidelined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) The happier ones I suspect will be eating an awful lot of humble pie come the summer, this is code for more reliance on the academy, no major sending to pursue our over ambitious goal of Champions League football on a shoestring, its called dampening down expectations, some of us know this as the Southampton way. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 The happier one I suspect will be eating an awful lot of humble pie come the summer, this is code for more reliance on the academy, no major sending to pursue our over ambitious goal of Champions League football on a shoestring, its called dampening down expectations, some of us know this as the Southampton way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 less laughing + more preparing for ur large serving of humble pie please KRG. I would not have a large lunch, if i was you. I would wear sweat pants with elastic waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 less laughing + more preparing for ur large serving of humble pie please KRG. I would not have a large lunch, if i was you. I would wear sweat pants with elastic waist. Is it going to be 29-0? (Excluding us getting relegated, QPR's transfer policy being better than ours, Wigan staying up, J-Rod not being worth half what we paid, Norwich's fantastic summer signings, van Wolfswinkel being the signing of the season, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 50s Krueger told me finishing training ground was "priority one" & looking at expanding/improving St Mary's second behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 50s Krueger told me finishing training ground was "priority one" & looking at expanding/improving St Mary's second behind that. "Coy when asked about keeping players". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Share Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) "Coy when asked about keeping players". The same reporter also said this... Joe Batchelor @Joe_Batchelor 5m Krueger said #saintsfc 'will do everything to retain the players for as long as possible'. What else do you expect him to say? Man Utd didn't keep Ronaldo. Its only really Barcelona and Real Madrid that can keep their star players. We are however in a better position to keep players for longer than we have in the past with Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, plus are in a stronger position when the players do leave to get huge prices as they are internationals playing for a top half Premier League side. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now