Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Seems like he has played it well, been open but actually promised little.
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 50s Krueger told me finishing training ground was "priority one" & looking at expanding/improving St Mary's second behind that. We don't need the stadium expanded. Attendances against Villa, Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Fulham, West Brom prove this. I suspect Newcastle/Norwich/Cardiff/Everton will be around the 28,000 mark as well. The AFL designed plans are about far more than just expanded capacity... In times of FFP, things like hotels, apartments, shops, conferencing/banqueting facilities all increase revenue to then be used on the team.
david in sweden Posted 12 March, 2014 Author Posted 12 March, 2014 Say what you want, Cortese came in and said bold ambitious things, and then he delivered them. yes he did . .....but I don't think he said all that on his first day in the job.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 We don't need the stadium expanded. Attendances against Villa, Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Fulham, West Brom prove this. I suspect Newcastle/Norwich/Cardiff/Everton will be around the 28,000 mark as well. I read it as the TG is the priority, rather than the ground is a second priority after that. I'm sure the ground is fairly low on the list. Interesting he talked about "living within our means".
Bewildered Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Well certainly seems more media savvy than Cortese. The way Cortese was able to have a number of Football journalists eating out of the palm of his hand by the time he left and the way those same journalists tore into KL and tried to sell a story of a club in with a clueless owner looking for a quick way out after he quit suggests he was more media savvy than people think.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 "Coy when asked about keeping players".
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 "Coy when asked about keeping players". End of the day, everyone knows Shaw will leave this summer. Plus it would not suprise most fans is CL clubs came in for Lovren, Schneiderlin and Lallana, so for sure at least one will go this summer. He cannot promise what he cannot achieve.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 The AFL designed plans are about far more than just expanded capacity... In times of FFP, things like hotels, apartments, shops, conferencing/banqueting facilities all increase revenue to then be used on the team. I see you are badgering half of twitter with this also. Keep it up, +10 MLG points.
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 It'd be great to see a 40k+ St Marys, but financially it doesn't make a whole load of sense, certainly a gamble for us, same with hotels, restaurants etc. Nice idea though.
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I see you are badgering half of twitter with this also. Keep it up, +10 MLG points. Asking the people that met Krueger today seems a good place to ask.
trousers Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 @alex_crook: RT @Joe_Batchelor: An interesting point was when Krueger said #saintsfc will have to 'work within our means' and 'may have to pay a price for that.' Players?
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I see you are badgering half of twitter with this also. Keep it up, +10 MLG points. Its embarassing. Especially when there hasnt even been any serious talk about the ground and less than half of games have sold out despite our best team in decades.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 @alex_crook: RT @Joe_Batchelor: An interesting point was when Krueger said #saintsfc will have to 'work within our means' and 'may have to pay a price for that.' Players? http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11071841.Saints_will_fight_to_keep_their_top_stars/?ref=mac Bit more context here.
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Its embarassing. Especially when there hasnt even been any serious talk about the ground and less than half of games have sold out despite our best team in decades. Our chairman said today" expanding/improving St Mary's" is his 2nd priority.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Like this comment on Poch and his coaching staff: “There is a really, really good leadership group there. Strong, solid. They are very good people but they are very talented.”
millbrooktonian Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Krueger on Katharina: "The ties to her father and what he meant and how much he cared about The Saints has come alive in Katharina and every step she takes here she's doing with her father in mind" #goosebumps Same here ...spooky !
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Our chairman said today it is his second priority. He didn't. He said it was secondary behind the training ground. Not that it is his second overall priority for the club as a whole.
jdsaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 #saintsfc will have to 'work within our means' and 'may have to pay a price for that.'Surely simply a case of if an offer too big to turn down or a player's demands are too much then they will go - which is pretty standard in football... plus then there's a the finance rules that are coming in...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Surely simply a case of if an offer too big to turn down or a player's demands are too much then they will go - which is pretty standard in football... plus then there's a the finance rules that are coming in... So to spend more cash to you need to earn more, hence the commerical growth talk...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 He didn't. He said it was secondary behind the training ground. Not that it is his second overall priority for the club as a whole. Still in his mind of things to do and hasn't dismissed it. Even if expanded to 40k, its not just about those extra seats, a lot more to it than that which would increase revenue streams. Yes, we wouldn't sell out every game, but it increasing revenue and the profile of the club.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Still in his mind of things to do and hasn't dismissed it. Even if expanded to 40k, its not just about those extra seats, a lot more to it than that which would increase revenue streams. Yes, we wouldn't sell out every game, but it increasing revenue and the profile of the club. Hopefully it happens if its right. But there are many higher priorities for him now.
View From The Top Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Still in his mind of things to do and hasn't dismissed it. Even if expanded to 40k, its not just about those extra seats, a lot more to it than that which would increase revenue streams. Yes, we wouldn't sell out every game, but it increasing revenue and the profile of the club. Try to spin it anyway you like, it ain't happening anytime soon.
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) Adam BlackmoreBBC Radio Solent sports editor: Krueger was impressive, both warm and authoritative. He wisely distanced himself from the football side of the club, steering clear of any Clive Woodward [former Southampton performance director] comparisons. Like a well-versed politician he said a lot whilst not giving too much away, but after years of boardroom silence, and months of uncertainty over the club's future ownership, Saints fans will just be delighted he has said the club is not for sale. It is obvious that he feels the club can grow commercially, especially in North America, and his appointment makes sense on that level alone. Katharina Liebherr promised a more open and communicative club, and today was a good start. It sounds like we've really stepped up in terms of communication and presentation, but I'm cynical how much money the club can really make in North America. I can't work out from his background how he'd have too much knowledge of commercial improvements and expansion or how he's part of the World Economic Forum, apart from his knowledge of leadership etc, but he needs more than just that for this role. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Sour Mash
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Our chairman said today" expanding/improving St Mary's" is his 2nd priority. What was his actual quote on this?
The Cat Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Sounds very promising. I wonder if SISA have got onto him about the beer prices yet?
St_Tel49 Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Definitely doesn't sound like we're up for sale. It raises a few other questions; why continue owning us? As an expensive hobby/challenge? Do they feel they can make more money out of the club long-term? Because her dad wanted it?
Baird of the land Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Only thing I dislike is his enthusiasm for prem games being played abroad like nfl.
Sour Mash Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Only thing I dislike is his enthusiasm for prem games being played abroad like nfl. Did he say that? What the f**k?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 (edited) I've watched all interviews and my reading of the situation is that he is being fair with us. A recurring theme is the need to grow as a club in terms of commercial revenue and be sustainable. My personal opinion is that commercial growth will be vital for us to be able to maintain our existing squad and spend. Without it we can't. As a consequence he can't say nobody is leaving as unless we fill the holes in the finances then players will have to leave. Even if we do players may leave, but we need to be in a situation where the contracts we give out and the transfer fees we pay no longer come from the Bank of Liebherr. They need to come from the clubs own coffers, which is fair enough. I suspect we will grow commercially, but there may be one or two players who leave along the way. However, regardless of what happens, it looks like (right now, anyway) that there is a sincere desire to be more open as a club and engaging with the fanbase - and unfortunately a part of that will be telling us things we may not want to hear from time to time but it'll be for the better in the long term I suspect. Edited 12 March, 2014 by Lallana's Left Peg
sotonjoe Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 All I want to know is whether Ralph will still let Duncan sell his books in the Megastore. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
ottery st mary Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 COYS ONWARDS AND UPWARDS. We have definitely become....THE MIGHTY SAINTS. Ms Liebherr leading from the front. We have a lot to thank her for:) OWTSGMI
Toon Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I'll reserve judgement until we see what he can do, for the time being i'm concerned by the shear amount of management waffle and guff he talks whilst not actually saying much of anything. Say what you want, Cortese came in and said bold ambitious things, and then he delivered them. Yes, but it was pretty easy for NC to spout all of his 'ambitions' as he was delivering on them with someone else's money - whether that was ML's or KL's inheritance. That level of funding wasn't going to be sustained forever, especially with financial fair play coming in (which of course NC objected to). I'm sure given that RK's and KL's close relationship, and that KL is now taking a much closer interest in the club, there will naturally be more accountability on spending. But hopefully RK will realise some of the commercial potential he has alluded to, and that will see less reliance on raking in big transfer money for academy graduates. Shaw may well be sold this summer, but if he brings in c. £30m then that covers the investment being made in the training ground. That investment in turn might bring through another 6-8 players of similar calibre over the next 5 years, so maybe that is what he is talking about in terms of 'living within our means.' Perhaps again, he is simply referring to growing the commercial side of things. I'd like to hear a bit more detail of KL and RK's plans of course, but pretty sure that NC didn't come out and say those sort of things on day one of the job.
Tom28 Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 We are selling our better players when offers come in. That's basically what he has said today. "Live within our means". Shame because I think the minute one or two go, the momentum we've had the last few years goes out the window.
Dig Dig Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Yes, but it was pretty easy for NC to spout all of his 'ambitions' as he was delivering on them with someone else's money - whether that was ML's or KL's inheritance. That level of funding wasn't going to be sustained forever, especially with financial fair play coming in (which of course NC objected to). I'm sure given that RK's and KL's close relationship, and that KL is now taking a much closer interest in the club, there will naturally be more accountability on spending. But hopefully RK will realise some of the commercial potential he has alluded to, and that will see less reliance on raking in big transfer money for academy graduates. Shaw may well be sold this summer, but if he brings in c. £30m then that covers the investment being made in the training ground. That investment in turn might bring through another 6-8 players of similar calibre over the next 5 years, so maybe that is what he is talking about in terms of 'living within our means.' Perhaps again, he is simply referring to growing the commercial side of things. I'd like to hear a bit more detail of KL and RK's plans of course, but pretty sure that NC didn't come out and say those sort of things on day one of the job. We've been producing quality players through our academy with what we have for a number of years. I very much doubt that we will get a return of 6-8 players of Shaw's calibre over 5 years.
Toon Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Not the best quote taken in isolation: “We’re going to be transparent, but it’s too early in the process to specify what that means.”
InvictaSaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 We are selling our better players when offers come in. That's basically what he has said today. "Live within our means". Shame because I think the minute one or two go, the momentum we've had the last few years goes out the window. Name me a club that doesn't! Man Utd sold Ronaldo, Spurs sold Bale. What makes us so special that we are immune to it?? I guarantee you if either Shaw or Adam goes, it will be because they want to. One thing's for sure - we won't get shafted by anybody on the fee front.
Verbal Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 We are selling our better players when offers come in. That's basically what he has said today. "Live within our means". Shame because I think the minute one or two go, the momentum we've had the last few years goes out the window. Dear god in heaven. I'm starting to wonder whether the club should offer trauma counselling to Saintsweb mopes every time they make an announcement.
Toon Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 We've been producing quality players through our academy with what we have for a number of years. I very much doubt that we will get a return of 6-8 players of Shaw's calibre over 5 years. Purely arbitrary number I was using there - should have known that would have been picked up on. Given the amount of debutants we have had this year, it's not too outlandish though. Not producing players 'exactly' the same standard as Shaw, but certainly PL top 6 class. Cortese mentioned about bringing 2 players through for the first team, and 2 through for the football league every year, a la Bayern and Barca.
70's Mike Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Newly-appointed #SaintsFC chairman Ralph Krueger says owner Katharina Liebherr has "zero" intention of selling the club Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport New #saintsfc chairman Ralph Krueger says owner Katharina Liebherr has no intention of selling the club & "is here to grow the club". Simon Peach @SimonPeach Krueger dismissed talk Liebherr looking for a quick sell, saying #SaintsFC "has become a very important priority for her. She cares." Simon Peach @SimonPeach Krueger recently turned down five opportunities to return to the NHL & is confident of turning #SaintsFC into a "healthy sports model" Simon Peach @SimonPeach He believes #SaintsFC have "unlimited potential" & keen to make home-grown focus key marketing point. Coy when asked about keeping players. Simon Peach @SimonPeach Krueger suggested the #NFL's "sentimental favourites" Green Bay Packers was the kind of unique marketing position #SaintsFC could fill I thought Green Bay Packers were owned by the Fans
DuncanRG Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I'll reserve judgement until we see what he can do, for the time being i'm concerned by the shear amount of management waffle and guff he talks whilst not actually saying much of anything. My main concern is the lack of objective and ambition they are showing, and he is in fact talking down success on the football pitch in favour of better communication with the fans. Ask arsenal how much they like not winning things... Say what you want, Cortese came in and said bold ambitious things, and then he delivered them. "5 year plan to return to the premier league" Long term goal to become and established premier league team (done in 5 years ) and push for europe in next 5... Youth academy 50% of team from academy etc etc The fact that this guy can't give any indication of objectives is concerning, its not hard to just restate the existing ones ala academy and 50% of fist team... but he didn't do that. Worries me. Gone from balls and drive of steel Cortese to what exactly. He's been chairman for six hours, get a grip
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I thought Green Bay Packers were owned by the Fans You're thinking of the blue fish f*ckers.
Toadhall Saint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Krueger: "Contract talks with Mauricio are 'evolving naturally' and won't be rushed" Cheers Trousers - that was as I expected just needed to see the quote.
eurosaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Having watched the interview with our new chairman, I reflected upon the introduction of his counterpart at 'Potless Pompey' (tieless, lounging backwards behind a crumpled tablecloth whilst boasting that he got his manager on the cheap!) and thought how nice it was to be a Saints fan ! An impressive start and I look forward with anticipation of an interesting future ! COYS
saintbob40 Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 The AFL designed plans are about far more than just expanded capacity... In times of FFP, things like hotels, apartments, shops, conferencing/banqueting facilities all increase revenue to then be used on the team. Where's the Chapel Arms FFS!
Dig Dig Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 He will accept it if the "football gods" have plans for players going rather than staying (in ref to Shaw). See ya Luke & Co.
thornhill_saints Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 He will accept it if the "football gods" have plans for players going rather than staying (in ref to Shaw). See ya Luke & Co. I would let Shaw go for £30m FACT! can get some decent players in for that - Shaw just doesn't seem to do it really, on and off the boil, he had a great game against the gunners, but that's all I can remember this season which stands out....
sandwichsaint Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 Only thing I dislike is his enthusiasm for prem games being played abroad like nfl. That'll be why we didn't push for the Europa Lge then, there's more money and profile to be had in 2 or 3 mid-week friendly jaunts to the winter sun than toiling around Europe's far-flung lesser spots on a Thursday night. Possibly.
DuncanRG Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I would let Shaw go for £30m FACT! can get some decent players in for that - Shaw just doesn't seem to do it really, on and off the boil, he had a great game against the gunners, but that's all I can remember this season which stands out.... Don't ask for much, do you? Bloody hell. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 March, 2014 Posted 12 March, 2014 I would let Shaw go for £30m FACT! can get some decent players in for that - Shaw just doesn't seem to do it really, on and off the boil, he had a great game against the gunners, but that's all I can remember this season which stands out.... How many 18 year olds play to their best (or are even at their best at all) week in week out? Crikey, people don't half expect a lot of the lad.
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