Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Lets start by saying he has lots of attributes.... But sadly passing aint one. Was he this bad at the start of the season? Did Celtic fans mention his passing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 He is vastly overrated. Give me Cork or Davis any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 I'm a Vic fan but think Cork has done more than enough to keep the shirt at the moment. Nice to have two good players in this position. Wanyama's passing? Better at the beginning of the season but not great. Yes, some Celtic fans thought he was limited and over priced. Will improve. Is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Yes his passing ability is not as good as Cork, but give VW a break Palace left the grass a little longer to try and stop our passing game and the pitch was very bumper. I think VW was excellent today and dealt with a suicide pass from Boruc late in the game very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Thought he was great in a defensive capacity today, just like he was at the start of the season. He's never going to be as good a passer as Cork, but defensively he adds a lot more. I still think we can rotate the three of them (Schneiderlin included). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 A team needs a mix of attributes. His strength and power arent possessed by anyone else we have. At a very young age and first season in a big league he has done well and will learn his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 What passing ability? But he's bloody good defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Lets look at the Stats for VW pass completions I think you'll be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Was he this bad at the start of the season? Did Celtic fans mention his passing? Yes, and you live in the right place to ask Celtic fans I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Rough with the smooth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2014 (edited) Yes, and you live in the right place to ask Celtic fans I guess. Just dont recall any mention of his passing, certainly didnt notice it at the start of the season either. Perhaps im now watching for it more closely? Just seems to give so many balls away Edited 8 March, 2014 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Just dont recall any mention of his passing, certainly didnt notice it at the start of the season either. search function in the top right, found this within a minute. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45365-Victor-Wanyama-Officially-Signed&p=1735942#post1735942 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 VW over Cork for me he holds a very good position for a defensive midfielder protecting the defence. Can't fault cork for effort but plays a different role and I think playing the shape we do we need big VW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Hes only 22... Yes his passing ability is poor but I'm sure he will come good. I'd rather he learn from his mistakes now than later. When Yaya Toure was 22, he probably wasn't as good... He is also being linked with Man City too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2014 search function in the top right, found this within a minute. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45365-Victor-Wanyama-Officially-Signed&p=1735942#post1735942 Yep fair play good find. He called it spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 in that aspect I agree. He is tough in the tackle and presents " a strong physical presence "...... but his final pass is often poor and doesn't find his teammates. Jack Cork was much better, but that's a bit academic now as JC will be out for several weeks and so it's up to Victor to get his act together and fight for his place...(without being yellow carded too often) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 (edited) Post removed. Top modding. Thanks for quoting though GS:) Sorry: in response to post #12 Edited 8 March, 2014 by Goatboy rubbish use of quote button ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 81.3% pass completion. 10th best in our team, below Davis, JWP, Morgan, Cork. Needs to improve it but I'm pretty sure we all new he was a bit rough round the edges, he is only 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 He is calm in possession which is good BUT when you combine it with poor technical passing and poor awareness in possession it can make for some infuriating moments. Time for the coaching staff to work their magic as when we don't have the ball he is a man mountain in terms of his presence (when fit!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Hes only 22... Yes his passing ability is poor but I'm sure he will come good. I'd rather he learn from his mistakes now than later. When Yaya Toure was 22, he probably wasn't as good... He is also being linked with Man City too... Youre absolutely right he is young and like i said in the OP he has some great attributes. With Corks injury Wanyama should now get a run in the side, hopefully his passing improves and then we have a great "little" player on our hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Lets start by saying he has lots of attributes.... But sadly passing aint one. Was he this bad at the start of the season? Did Celtic fans mention his passing? Always said he can't pass a ball forwards... but sideways and backwards he's a genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 We were fortunate to have him on the bench today. He played well. Strength in depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Out of interest did anyone think Cork was playing well today? I thought he was poor to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Victor is not back to his best yet - he was very good earlier in the season when we were conceding few goals. He needs to get fitter. He did give the ball away too much today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Out of interest did anyone think Cork was playing well today? I thought he was poor to be honest. Thought the whole team were below par today - not sure how much was due to CP's tactics? Cork has been superb since he came into the side - hope he recovers quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 (edited) Thought the whole team were below par today - not sure how much was due to CP's tactics? Cork has been superb since he came into the side - hope he recovers quickly The pitch was poor, we tried to adapt but it threw us a bit. You could see the ball bobble up and put the player into trouble a few times. Think our pass success rate was one of our poorest this season. Edited 8 March, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Wanyama was perfect for today's match. Poor pitch, physical opposition and hoofs down the channels or even straight down the middle. He was ideal protection for the back four and did the job well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Rather a DM that can defend and today showed why he´s been missed for three months. Take the lead, grind out and win the game "ugly" any day. If people actually take their eyes off the ball sometimes and look at the areas he covers and helps CB´s out you might find something interesting. He also prevents against other teams going long, having a striker dropping into midfield and winning every heading duel, like Stoke, West Ham and others has done when Vic has been out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 So glad Victor is in our side and back to protect the back four and hold it together in the middle. Well done Victor Wanyama.... Well done Saints for grinding out a win. Selhurst pitch is a disgrace and prepared for park football. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Rather a DM that can defend and today showed why he´s been missed for three months. Take the lead, grind out and win the game "ugly" any day. If people actually take their eyes off the ball sometimes and look at the areas he covers and helps CB´s out you might find something interesting. He also prevents against other teams going long, having a striker dropping into midfield and winning every heading duel, like Stoke, West Ham and others has done when Vic has been out. TBH I think we all know you have no time for Jack Cork and think Victor is a better option but MP doesn't want to play "ugly" and "grind" out wins he wants to play possession football.So a DM like victor that can't pass for toffee causes a problem in that respect, constantly giving the ball away in our own half doesn't really go well with MPs desire to retain the ball high up the pitch. Having said that sometimes passing is less important than having a brick **** house in front of the back four. I don't see it as a one or the other but more horses for courses meaning there is a place for both Jack and Victor in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 TBH I think we all know you have no time for Jack Cork and think Victor is a better option but MP doesn't want to play "ugly" and "grind" out wins he wants to play possession football.So a DM like victor that can't pass for toffee causes a problem in that respect, constantly giving the ball away in our own half doesn't really go well with MPs desire to retain the ball high up the pitch. Having said that sometimes passing is less important than having a brick **** house in front of the back four. I don't see it as a one or the other but more horses for courses meaning there is a place for both Jack and Victor in the team. Well, just to make it easier i highlighted a part above... Can you then explain why Victor was first choice ALL the time time until he got injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Well, just to make it easier i highlighted a part above... Can you then explain why Victor was first choice ALL the time time until he got injured? I reckon it might have been the part you didn't highlight in bold from his post. This part: Having said that sometimes passing is less important than having a brick **** house in front of the back four. I don't see it as a one or the other but more horses for courses meaning there is a place for both Jack and Victor in the team. Not that that's necessarily my opinion, but his was fairly clear, I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 I reckon it might have been the part you didn't highlight in bold from his post. This part: Having said that sometimes passing is less important than having a brick **** house in front of the back four. I don't see it as a one or the other but more horses for courses meaning there is a place for both Jack and Victor in the team. Not that that's necessarily my opinion, but his was fairly clear, I thought. But that´s not really the case if a player is picked as first choice for 13-14 games in a row? Unless you say that "sometimes" in that sentence means "every time"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Well, just to make it easier i highlighted a part above... Can you then explain why Victor was first choice ALL the time time until he got injured? We bought Victor, whose stock was high thanks to a couple of decent CL games, for 12 million quid not to many managers are brave enough to leave a new big money signing sitting on the bench. You could turn the question around and ask why even after his recovery Jack continued to be picked ahead of Victor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 But that´s not really the case if a player is picked as first choice for 13-14 games in a row? Unless you say that "sometimes" in that sentence means "every time"? Depends what you're asking, doesn't it? Are you asking why MoPo picked VW every time? Or what that guy thought in his post? The guy you quoted suggested a reason why VW might have been picked over Cork, time and again. The "sometimes passing is less important than having a brick **** house in front of the back four." He also expressed an opinion that, in his opinions, there was room for both players. The "I don't see it...." part was that. Edit: Why am i explaining things here. I thought that was pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 We bought Victor, whose stock was high thanks to a couple of decent CL games, for 12 million quid not to many managers are brave enough to leave a new big money signing sitting on the bench. You could turn the question around and ask why even after his recovery Jack continued to be picked ahead of Victor? After a damage with a fracture in your foot and being out for three months you dont rush a player into the team, very basic managing actually and the proper way to do it. Compare players when their fitness is about the same and see who is picked. Results pre Vic injury and after the same might show a thing or two also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Depends what you're asking, doesn't it? Are you asking why MoPo picked VW every time? Or what that guy thought in his post? The guy you quoted suggested a reason why VW might have been picked over Cork, time and again. The "sometimes passing is less important than having a brick **** house in front of the back four." He also expressed an opinion that, in his opinions, there was room for both players. The "I don't see it...." part was that. And his comment was that MP doesn´t want to play ugly and grinding out and prefer possession football which was what I commented on. Dont think he meant that Vic was the one playing the pretty possession game out of those two. I can see the rest he said, and that´s why I highlighted a part of it and wanted to know an explanation of that part cause I couldn´t see it in the same way. (and still cant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 He looked very good at the start of the season. He looks pretty average now. Like a third centre back. Doesn't have a creative bone in his body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 And his comment was that MP doesn´t want to play ugly and grinding out and prefer possession football which was what I commented on. Dont think he meant that Vic was the one playing the pretty possession game out of those two. I can see the rest he said, and that´s why I highlighted a part of it and wanted to know an explanation of that part cause I couldn´t see it in the same way. (and still cant). Is that too much of a problem? Opinions are like arseholes. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Is that too much of a problem? Opinions are like arseholes. Or something. No problem at all, just curious how he came to the conclusion about MP´s likes when I thought it had showed the other way around with his picked teams at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 And his comment was that MP doesn´t want to play ugly and grinding out and prefer possession football which was what I commented on. Dont think he meant that Vic was the one playing the pretty possession game out of those two. I can see the rest he said, and that´s why I highlighted a part of it and wanted to know an explanation of that part cause I couldn´t see it in the same way. (and still cant). MP plays 'boring' grinding, possession football, that's what his game is. What were you expecting today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 No problem at all, just curious how he came to the conclusion about MP´s likes when I thought it had showed the other way around with his picked teams at the start of the season. I don't know what that means. I've read it a few times. Perhaps I'm a bit dim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 The pitch was poor, we tried to adapt but it threw us a bit. You could see the ball bobble up and put the player into trouble a few times. Think our pass success rate was one of our poorest this season. As someone else said the grass was left long too, a few shots on MOTD when the sun was on it emphasised that fact, and more so compared to the St Mary's snooker table surface. Fair play to Palace if they did cancel a last cut, we did the same against Man Utd a few years ago at WGS's instruction to the groundsman and we won with a nice goal in the 88th minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 Lets start by saying he has lots of attributes.... But sadly passing aint one. Was he this bad at the start of the season? Did Celtic fans mention his passing?I thought he was immense protecting the back four. Today was a battle against a poor and ugly but very direct and physical team. Wanyama was every bit as influential in the win as anyone. Loved it when he was put under pressure with a throw out by Boruc just outside the 18 yd box. He coped with it and released Shaw I think, and then gave Boruc the thumbs up. To me this is the reason why we are a good side, we take risks and want to play the ball. Total opposite to Palace, who are all effort but woefull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 9 March, 2014 Share Posted 9 March, 2014 Victor is not back to his best yet - he was very good earlier in the season when we were conceding few goals. He needs to get fitter. He did give the ball away too much today. Don't think he is 100% fit yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 9 March, 2014 Share Posted 9 March, 2014 If I was a coach I would be torn between having him do hours of shuttle runs to improve his fitness and speed, or hours of just knocking a ball against a wall to improve his passing and touch. He has a lot of work to do to look good in the Premier League. .When we get pressed high up the pitch he is a massive liability. Almost as bad as Jos. Cork every time for me at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 9 March, 2014 Share Posted 9 March, 2014 Watched today as every week on NBC Sports here in US, think they re broadcast BT Sport, anyway, just before Vic came on there was a close up of Mo giving him a right old lecture, gesticulating with hand signals as if to say "sort and simple" passes, and then just before the slap on the back to go on he taps his temple as if to say "think" recon it worked, much better than last few run outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 March, 2014 Share Posted 9 March, 2014 Lets start by saying he has lots of attributes.... But sadly passing aint one. Was he this bad at the start of the season? Did Celtic fans mention his passing? This was posted after 3 games and yes there was concerns over passing http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46583-Wanyama-arise-Sir-Neil-Lennon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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