Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 I would love us to have kits without sponsors names on, fans are just walking adverts, about time we stopped buying the shirts until there is no sponsors name on them How are we ever going to become the Green Bay Packers of football with people venting guff like that, you'll be getting a summons from Uncle Ralph because you're obviously not a team player. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Not sure why "own brand" is such a problem. If that is the case, there will be plenty of no-mark companies ready to slap their logo on stuff anyway, what difference does it make when most of the stuff is in the same pool waiting to be branded? I remember when Fulham had on of their lesser known brands a few seasons ago (might have been Airness), their training kit was exactly the same stuff as Saints training kit from a season or two before. There's a ton of mass-produced kit out there just waiting for someone to agree to stick their logo on it - for instance Palace's "own brand" kit this season, or, depending on which kit you looked at, their "Avec" kit. Also, I'm sure there are loads of companies wanting to get their name into the Premier League who could knock up a load of kit and source lots of training kit a lot quicker than adidas did, given that they took on NINE Prem sides last season and that was probably the source of any supply problems. Besides, some of my favourite Saints kits have been "Saints Apparel" ones, there's no difference in quality compared to major brand names other than the reluctance to give things gimmicky names like Formotion and Techfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 May, 2014 What about Macron? They seem to be making a lot more kits for UK teams these days. Not a "slap their name on someone else's stuff" brand, they actually have their own range. Newport County's 2014/15 kits are the same style as the Villa training kit from 2013/14 for instance. I would be pretty impressed if any "proper" brand maanged to get the quantity of stuff Saints want turned around that quickly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 What is the snobbery about not having an "own brand" kit ? Its a bloody football shirt ffs, you wear it to football, its not for the Paris, New York and London cat walks is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Not going to be anything like ours but i have to say the new Monaco kit is very smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 A Bespoke kit design takes one full season from order to launch , which suggests that the 2015/2016 Adidas one will be what the board actually want . To kit a supplier to come up with the quantity needed for this season it will probably be an adapted kit design from a foreign team which is already being produced , it will be adapted with our club badge , sponsor and PL logos . With the timescales being talked about its the only way , the only other is a really generic low grade brand but I doubt they could produce the quantity on time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicSaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 How about Fila and something based on the Bournemouth red and black stripes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 What is the snobbery about not having an "own brand" kit ? Its a bloody football shirt ffs, you wear it to football, its not for the Paris, New York and London cat walks is it ? Yup, this. But I think one of the problems here, is that maybe amongst saints fans we have a few too many of these - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Kit-******s/226928457440722 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Interesting how this is still being discussed in earnest. For me the kit the team will be wearing pales into insignificance when compared to the composition of the team that will be starting the next season under a new Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Interesting how this is still being discussed in earnest. For me the kit the team will be wearing pales into insignificance when compared to the composition of the team that will be starting the next season under a new Manager. You make me giggle. If you really had some proper "in the know", why hide in on various threads on here. Why not just post it? Come on, man up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 The new Barca kit, in red and white, would be lovely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Funny I was thinking it might be Nike??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 It's not Nike…how many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Because of lead time, our kit is going to be a Fred-in-the-Shed affair. Just like the running of our club nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Because of lead time, our kit is going to be a Fred-in-the-Shed affair. Just like the running of our club nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Because of lead time, our kit is going to be a Fred-in-the-Shed affair. Just like the running of our club nowadays. Shut up you boring ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 It's not Nike…how many times. Yep, very nice shirt, very traditional for us with the deep cherry red stripes and dark blue (the skates were still wearing pink back in those days). Only problem is it's adidas and if the rumours are true... What rumours? The kit will 100% be made by adidas next season. Well, this time it appears he's right, it's not Nike. A make-do this season due to circumstances but this time next year we can all get back to just bickering over stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 i get the feeling we will be mostly playing in "skins" this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Because of lead time, our kit is going to be a Fred-in-the-Shed affair. Just like the running of our club nowadays. give it up you pathetic misery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Seems miserable but it's a worrying trend. So many people having strong opinions based on zero information, no research, little desire to even do any research. And it's never a nice opinion either! Just a mixture of fear, anger and frustration coming out. If it was just in football I wouldn't worry, but it's the sort of mindset that causes far bigger problems. I like the Irony in this post Adrian, keep it coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Because of lead time, our kit is going to be a Fred-in-the-Shed affair. Just like the running of our club nowadays. I have posted this (well, similar) elsewhere, but would like to reiterate the point... The director of Veho has seen it. There is a already a kit made, signed for and approved. We fans just don't have the details on it, but that doesn't mean the club are hiding anything from us, they are probably putting together an advertising campaign for it for when it is released (as a kit has been every single time we've had one, which if i remember we always have) and while our star players are away training with their respective International teams for the World Cup in Brasil, they probably won't get a chance to do a photoshoot for a while and we will see it when it is announced after the tournament. We are Southampton, we do have a kit. It's mainly red, and not Adidas, but it is definitely a kit! And another question I'd like to ask about, and I've seen similar asked on here already...why is the quality such a problem? Own brand quality was always a little worse than Adidas or Umbro but really, you wear a footie top to the game on a saturday and maybe once or twice for a kick about. Does it need to be the finest materials that money can buy? Or have we run out of other things to moan about and that's all thats left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Quality us important Becks. The kits cost silly money, but the only reason I buy them is that my lads wear them over & over again. They get washed at least twice a week. Better quality stuff lasts longer. I don't want to be paying silly money fir something that falls to bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Quality us important Becks. The kits cost silly money, but the only reason I buy them is that my lads wear them over & over again. They get washed at least twice a week. Better quality stuff lasts longer. I don't want to be paying silly money fir something that falls to bits. Assuming it is an own brand kit, it should be a little bit cheaper by virtue of not having the "Brand Tax". I've still got own brand kits from about ten years ago that are in better condition than some of the umbro kits I have. In 2014, I think that the difference in quality is marginal to be honest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 You're kidding, our ex own brand kits are far worse quality. Horrible to play in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Another reason for the lack of kit release is that Veho dont officially become sponsors until July 1. Until that point, aap3 are still sponsors, and I very much doubt the directors woukd be too happy about THEIR team advertising another company Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 You're kidding, our ex own brand kits are far worse quality. Horrible to play in too. They were from ten years ago, what's to say the quality wouldn't be better after such an amount of time? Has it even been confirmed that we have an own brand kit next year? All I've heard for definite is that it is mainly red and that Veho are the sponsor. SO16_Saint is spot on, too, hadn't even thought of that! To be fair with regards to quality, when I was wearing my old own brand kits it was only in training for my old U10's (or so) team, or at the Grass Roots events I used to play at when I was little so quality was never a concern of mine and now I'm too big to fit in them anymore! They're all boxed up in pretty good nick still though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Because of lead time, our kit is going to be a Fred-in-the-Shed affair. Just like the running of our club nowadays. massive fanny alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2014 I completely disagree about the quality of our "own brand" kits being poor to begin with. There's VERY little difference in the quality compared to all but the last Umbro England shirts (which are gloriously made). The only exception being the couple with design flaws (the "nose-breaker" central badge FP kit from first Championship season, and the white/grey and all yellow with blue piping kits under Burley which had ridiculously short long sleeves). Most of them were perfectly fine - the light blue away from 2005 is excellent in particular. No problems with regular wear, 5-a-side, 11-a-side for the Saints IFC team, or anything else. In fact we wore the blue kit for about 4 years afterwards. In contrast, the black shorts I've bought this season from adidas which are the exact same style as the away kit shorts (I also have a white pair the same as the actual away shorts without the Saints logo) have had the stitching unravel all the way around the waistband in two different places. "Quality", that isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Here's a simple variation on the popular sash...certainly distinctive and will keep the stripes camp happy (perhaps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 (edited) ...oops double post. Edited 22 May, 2014 by lifeintheslowlane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Much as I love the stripes, I actually wouldn't have any problem with the club moving permanently to the sash kit - it's unique within Britain and has a historical grounding in the club's first few seasons. I feel much the same about the navy shorts the club wore for much of their first 60 years. Plain all red though is inexplicable, and can just go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 It's been proven that teams who wear all red strips are more successful. See my earlier post for a link to the report. If a all red strip is going to give us 3-5 points a season then It's well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Arsenal have a new limited edition kit to celebrate 20 years with Nike, not actually a match shirt Would love something like this ! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 My money is on Macron. http://www.macron.com/shop/uk/en/football/official-merchandising.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 My money is on Macron. http://www.macron.com/shop/uk/en/football/official-merchandising.html http://www.macron.com/shop/eu/en/football/official-merchandising/vicenza.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Arsenal have a new limited edition kit to celebrate 20 years with Nike, not actually a match shirt Would love something like this ! ;-) Cor - the opposition would have to wear skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 I completely disagree about the quality of our "own brand" kits being poor to begin with. There's VERY little difference in the quality compared to all but the last Umbro England shirts (which are gloriously made). The only exception being the couple with design flaws (the "nose-breaker" central badge FP kit from first Championship season, and the white/grey and all yellow with blue piping kits under Burley which had ridiculously short long sleeves). Most of them were perfectly fine - the light blue away from 2005 is excellent in particular. No problems with regular wear, 5-a-side, 11-a-side for the Saints IFC team, or anything else. In fact we wore the blue kit for about 4 years afterwards. In contrast, the black shorts I've bought this season from adidas which are the exact same style as the away kit shorts (I also have a white pair the same as the actual away shorts without the Saints logo) have had the stitching unravel all the way around the waistband in two different places. "Quality", that isn't. Oh - I've got the Yellow one which went with the Light Blue one you're so keen on, and it's fine, EXCEPT it only comes down just past my navel, which because of the voluminous cut of the shirt, makes it very a very draughty wear. That can't be right, can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 It's been proven that teams who wear all red strips are more successful. See my earlier post for a link to the report. If a all red strip is going to give us 3-5 points a season then It's well worth it. Where has it been proven? Spain? Italy? World Cups? European Championships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 It's been proven that teams who wear all red strips are more successful. See my earlier post for a link to the report. If a all red strip is going to give us 3-5 points a season then It's well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 I completely disagree about the quality of our "own brand" kits being poor to begin with. There's VERY little difference in the quality compared to all but the last Umbro England shirts (which are gloriously made). The only exception being the couple with design flaws (the "nose-breaker" central badge FP kit from first Championship season, and the white/grey and all yellow with blue piping kits under Burley which had ridiculously short long sleeves). Most of them were perfectly fine - the light blue away from 2005 is excellent in particular. No problems with regular wear, 5-a-side, 11-a-side for the Saints IFC team, or anything else. In fact we wore the blue kit for about 4 years afterwards. In contrast, the black shorts I've bought this season from adidas which are the exact same style as the away kit shorts (I also have a white pair the same as the actual away shorts without the Saints logo) have had the stitching unravel all the way around the waistband in two different places. "Quality", that isn't. You're forgetting the 2005/06 season Black/Red sweat-box away shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 http://m.livescience.com/276-red-outfits-give-athletes-advantage.html Sent from my LG-D802 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Where has it been proven? Spain? Italy? World Cups? European Championships? Across the top three or four leagues, I believe, including England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 (edited) Across the top three or four leagues, I believe, including England. Taking Italy, Spain, Scotland and France in isolation, how's that worked out for them? Having Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool here in red shirts will skew that statistic horribly. Barcelona play in stripes, Bayern Munich have often altered away from strictly red. A.C. Milan are in stripes. So, who else are we talking about? Benfica? Lille? Aberdeen? Playing in colours other then pure red has clearly been a burden to Juventus, Real Madrid, Porto, Chelsea, Paris St Germain, Dortmund, Celtic, Rangers, Sporting Lisbon, Atletico Madrid, Lyon, Ajax, Feyenoord, Panathinaikos, Wolfsburg, FC Santos, River Plate, Inter Milan, Lazio, Napoli, Palmeiras, Roma, Sampdoria, Boca Juniors, Sao Paolo, Flamengo, L.A. Galaxy, Once Caldas and all the many other sides who have triumphed in various competitions despite that terrible disadvantage. Edited 22 May, 2014 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Across the top three or four leagues, I believe, including England. It's proven? Put up the proof that "teams who wear all red strips are more successful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 all red must be a common colour tbh. united, arsenal, liverpool, southampton, cardiff forest, boro, charlton, barnsley orient, rotherham, swindon, brizzle c, walsall, crawley, crewe fleetwood, york city, dagenham, accrington, morecambe it looks like something like a 1/4 to 1/5 of teams play in all red at the moment. this season blue seems to be the most successful colour looking down the leagues, with a bit of claret from s****horpe and burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 A trial was done on scoring Tae Kwon Do matches. Participants wear red or blue. Historic matches were shown via tv to judges. A batch had the colours altered so the red/blue were swapped. Apparently a significant number of matches were scored in favour of people who had the altered red kit on when, in fact, they had been wearing blue and had lost when the match was originally scored with them wearing the blue. Something like that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 (edited) Across the top three or four leagues, I believe, including England. Well it clearly isn't true in Spain, or Italy. And not true in France. It would be in England, and possibly Germany (but it's one successful club in red, and there is some variation in Bayern's kit over the years). The biggest clubs in Holland, Belgium and Scotland? Nope. Portugal you have one, but two other big clubs struggling on in not-red. Like Champions League winning Porto. And those red-kit wearing world cup winners in full - Spain (for years, despite being a red kit wearing winning machine were perennial underachievers) and, hang on, I know this. Okay, you can have England who wore red in the final, but not in other rounds. And barely any red countries have even made the final. Red teams have done okay in the Euros but the non-reds - Italy, Germany, France, Greece - still win out. And no team in red has ever won the Copa America. Not one. But yeah, apart from that it is pretty much proven beyond doubt. Edited 22 May, 2014 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 (edited) Well it clearly isn't true in Spain, or Italy. And not true in France. It would be in England, and possibly Germany (but it's one successful club in red, and there is some variation in Bayern's kit over the years). The biggest clubs in Holland, Belgium and Scotland? Nope. Portugal you have one, but two other big clubs struggling on in not-red. Like Champions League winning Porto. And those red-kit wearing world cup winners in full - Spain (for years, despite being a red kit wearing winning machine were perennial underachievers) and, hang on, I know this. Okay, you can have England who wore red in the final, but not in other rounds. And barely any red countries have even made the final. Red teams have done okay in the Euros but the non-reds - Italy, Germany, France, Greece - still win out. And no team in red has ever won the Copa America. Not one. But yeah, apart from that it is pretty much proven beyond doubt. Christ almighty small fry, even by your standards, this is a whopper. Scientists look for independent effects. The claim is not that teams in red win; rather it is that teams in red are more likely to win after controlling for everything else that might affect success i.e. a team's ability among other explanatory factors. That's what these experiments try to do -and with large samples. Simply trotting off teams of wildly differing abilities that have won a league and not worn not in red is Fry-like logic. My local Sunday league side wears red - it hasn't won the World Cup ergo the theory is wrong and you're right. Nice one. How do you manage to do your shoelaces. Edited 23 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian firefly Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 It's been proven that teams who wear all red strips are more successful. See my earlier post for a link to the report. If a all red strip is going to give us 3-5 points a season then It's well worth it. I see how it worked well for Real Madrid who have been so sh1t wearing all white that hey are only going for their tenth European cup this weekend shockingly poor someone should have a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 I see how it worked well for Real Madrid who have been so sh1t wearing all white that hey are only going for their tenth European cup this weekend shockingly poor someone should have a word. Who knows it might have been a 11th, 12th or more if they had been playing in red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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