The true housing benefit scroungers

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Now work out the transport costs Jeff please to and from said places to Chelsea.

 

Using the tube? £3.20 each way I think, so £120 a month or so.

[pap]

How much profit should they be bought and sold for then?

 

House prices are largely set by what people can afford, which roughly equates to how much credit they can get.

 

This is normally orders of magnitude higher than what it actually costs, especially once you take over-priced land out of the equation.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Oh, so all you need to make it on your own is someone else to double your income?

 

Right....

 

I thought we were talking about families? If not a house share is sufficent.

 

Anyway, as identified above, a family with 2 people on the minimum wage, they shouldn't need to spend £260, they should be able to spend upwards of £500, at least! Most places say 30% should be spent, so that should be £600pcm. And that is enough for a 2/3 bed house in most places down south.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Oh, so all you need to make it on your own is someone else to double your income?

 

Right....

 

To be fair Pap, I was never able afford to have the luxury to live on my own in London/Tokyo. Years of house-shares, sacrifice and people stealing the milk. The world is a tough old place.

[Barry Sanchez]

They shouldn't what?

 

Housing shouldn't be used as a profit board, its housing we all need it, to profit from it due to a lack of supply is well fair enough as you can not blame the person but it is morally wrong and the Government should do something about it.

[Sour Mash]

House prices are largely set by what people can afford, which roughly equates to how much credit they can get.

 

This is normally orders of magnitude higher than what it actually costs, especially once you take over-priced land out of the equation.

So you would regulate the price houses could be sold for?

[Sour Mash]

Housing shouldn't be used as a profit board, its housing we all need it, to profit from it due to a lack of supply is well fair enough as you can not blame the person but it is morally wrong and the Government should do something about it.

So house builders shouldn't make profit?

[pap]

So you would regulate the price houses could be sold for?

 

Nah, I'd make sure it was too expensive for people to hold onto land.

 

I'm also in favour of rent controls.

 

The market will do the rest.

[Barry Sanchez]

So house builders shouldn't make profit?

 

Yes of course house builders should make a profit.

[Sour Mash]

Nah, I'd make sure it was too expensive for people to hold onto land.

 

I'm also in favour of rent controls.

 

The market will do the rest.

Tax land ownership? How would rent controls affect things?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Housing shouldn't be used as a profit board, its housing we all need it, to profit from it due to a lack of supply is well fair enough as you can not blame the person but it is morally wrong and the Government should do something about it.

 

Yep, neither should food. Food should be given out by the Government, with everyone getting the same food, just multiplied for family members.

[Tokyo-Saint]

What about people that do up and sell old **** holes? Should they be allowed to make a profit? Should they be allowed to do them up and rent them out?

[Sour Mash]

Yes of course house builders should make a profit.

That's not what you said above. Edited 26 February, 2014 by Sour Mash

[Tokyo-Saint]

Housing shouldn't be used as a profit

 

You know who else thinks that?

 

[Barry Sanchez]

You know who else thinks that?

 

 

Cool.

[Barry Sanchez]

That's not what you said above.

 

Where?

[Barry Sanchez]

Using the tube? £3.20 each way I think, so £120 a month or so.

 

Take that away from any flat/bedsit you choose, food, bills, clothing do you think its liveable?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yes of course house builders should make a profit.

 

I bought and renovated all my properties, should I be allowed to make a profit/rent them out?

[Sour Mash]

Where?

"Housing shouldn't be used as a profit board, its housing we all need it, to profit from it due to a lack of supply is well fair enough as you can not blame the person but it is morally wrong and the Government should do something about it."

[pap]

Tax land ownership? How would rent controls affect things?

 

Land is one of the biggest items on the housing bill of material. Make it an expensive thing to hold onto, people will sell land, the price of land will come down - lowering the cost of new build.

 

Rent controls. Set the price of rents based on square footage with respect to the minimum wage. Tenants get an excellent deal. Some landlords may find it tough going, particularly if their empire is mortgaged. They'll need to sell in order to remain afloat; more supply coming onto the market ( basically the opposite of what these big private landlords do ) and cheaper prices for existing stock.

[Barry Sanchez]

"Housing shouldn't be used as a profit board, its housing we all need it, to profit from it due to a lack of supply is well fair enough as you can not blame the person but it is morally wrong and the Government should do something about it."

 

There is a massive difference between a house builder and a house speculator, Jesus wept.

[Goatboy]

Cool.

 

is that Claire Balding?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Take that away from any flat/bedsit you choose, food, bills, clothing do you think its liveable?

 

I did say a house/flat share, but yeah that's affordable. Example below:

 

http://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=2630620&search_id=&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2Flondon%2Fleytonstone%3F%26aff%3D677%26KW%3Drooms%2Bto%2Brent%2BleytonstoneMBM%26gclid%3DCJ3CwIXa6bwCFSgGwwodJ2wAqg&featured=1

 

£500 rent & bills

£120 travel

 

Leaves £380 for food and disposable income. Definitely doable.

[Barry Sanchez]

is that Claire Balding?

 

No Sue Barker.

[pap]

I did say a house/flat share, but yeah that's affordable. Example below:

 

http://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=2630620&search_id=&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2Flondon%2Fleytonstone%3F%26aff%3D677%26KW%3Drooms%2Bto%2Brent%2BleytonstoneMBM%26gclid%3DCJ3CwIXa6bwCFSgGwwodJ2wAqg&featured=1

 

£500 rent & bills

£120 travel

 

Leaves £380 for food and disposable income. Definitely doable.

 

Which of course, precludes children.

 

Would you like to embellish your dystopian vision further, Unbelievable Jeff?

 

There's a bit of room for public beatings and hunter-killer peasant drones, I reckon.

[Goatboy]

Which of course, precludes children.

 

Would you like to embellish your dystopian vision further, Unbelievable Jeff?

 

There's a bit of room for public beatings and hunter-killer peasant drones, I reckon.

 

 

Can we have stocks too?

[pap]

Can we have stocks too?

 

I thought Jeff would be placated with public beatings. Stocks might be good as "foreplay" though.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Which of course, precludes children.

 

Would you like to embellish your dystopian vision further, Unbelievable Jeff?

 

There's a bit of room for public beatings and hunter-killer peasant drones, I reckon.

 

Have you read my earlier posts? I said I was excluding single parent families as I believe they would need help.

[Sour Mash]

There is a massive difference between a house builder and a house speculator, Jesus wept.

Possibly, but that's not what you said. Is it only property that people shouldn't "speculate" on, or anything else?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So, to summarise.

 

Baz and Pap believe that everyone should be able to own a house as long as they are working, in any area of the country that they wish.

 

So someone on the minimum wage with a child should have access to a 2/3 bed property in Chelsea.

[Barry Sanchez]

Have you read my earlier posts? I said I was excluding single parent families as I believe they would need help.

 

£95 a week for bills,food and clothing in London, after that what about leisure?

[Tokyo-Saint]

[Barry Sanchez]

So, to summarise.

 

Baz and Pap believe that everyone should be able to own a house as long as they are working, in any area of the country that they wish.

 

So someone on the minimum wage with a child should have access to a 2/3 bed property in Chelsea.

 

Err no.

[Tokyo-Saint]

What about if they grew up there Barry. Chelsea has council houses you know.

[Barry Sanchez]

Possibly, but that's not what you said. Is it only property that people shouldn't "speculate" on, or anything else?

 

Mr Mah you asked me whether house builders should make a profit and I said yes they should, should houses be sold forprofit after that? No but what can you do? I belive I have answered all of those, read my posts again.

[Barry Sanchez]

What about if they grew up there Barry. Chelsea has council houses you know.

 

Where?

[Tokyo-Saint]

Chelsea Barry, are you not listening?

 

470 of them at last count.

 

http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/housingintheroyalborougho/socialhousing.aspx

[pap]

So, to summarise.

 

Baz and Pap believe that everyone should be able to own a house as long as they are working, in any area of the country that they wish.

 

So someone on the minimum wage with a child should have access to a 2/3 bed property in Chelsea.

 

Summarise it that way if you want, but my opinion is that the price of property is a harmful fiction.

[Sour Mash]

Mr Mah you asked me whether house builders should make a profit and I said yes they should, should houses be sold forprofit after that? No but what can you do? I belive I have answered all of those, read my posts again.

So you won't sell your house or any property of any kind that you own for a profit?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

£95 a week for bills,food and clothing in London, after that what about leisure?

 

Learn to read. £500 rent and bills.

[Tokyo-Saint]

If he does SM, I am sure he will donate the profit to a local food bank.

[Barry Sanchez]

Chelsea Barry, are you not listening?

 

470 of them at last count.

 

http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/housingintheroyalborougho/socialhousing.aspx

 

 

Of course I know there will be some as there has to be a provision, how long are the waiting lists? There simply is not the housing to live in the rich or poor areas. There are not enough houses social or otherwise hence rents are soaring.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Where?

 

My manager grew up in a council house in Chelsea. Doesn't live there anymore mind, too expensive.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Err no.

 

So what are you saying? What is your point?

[Barry Sanchez]

Learn to read. £500 rent and bills.

 

Write it out then as I presumed from that you meant housing costs, what about bills? Internet, phone and food, I suggest you need to think.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Of course I know there will be some as there has to be a provision, how long are the waiting lists? There simply is not the housing to live in the rich or poor areas. There are not enough houses social or otherwise hence rents are soaring.

 

Good back tracking Barry. So to answer the question, if you make any money on the sale of your house, you will be donating the profit to those less fortunate right?

[Bearsy]

Being a slum lord is prob ok i reckon as long as ur on the right end of it. I would be so pumped if i could rent properties out to single mums etc! I would be always going round there collecting my rents. If they can't pay their rents i wouldn't be like some slum lords and evict them straight away tho. I would see if we could come to some arrangement first.

[Tokyo-Saint]

What kind of arrangement are you thinking of bear?

[Barry Sanchez]

I bought and renovated all my properties, should I be allowed to make a profit/rent them out?

 

Good for you, you did it to make a profit and not from the goodness of your heart, should you? Yes you should but there should be a limit, you are not doing this for social justice are you, bully for you renovating a house and making a profit from it.

[Bearsy]

What kind of arrangement are you thinking of bear?

 

i spose it would depend on the single mum in question. If she is one of those fat, ugly ones you see sometimes i would prob take her tv as downpayment. This would encourage her to get off her fat arse. On the other hand if she is one of the attractive big breasted renters that i sometimes see in certain movies then i would prob let her keep her tv and we would try to find some other arrangement agreeable to both parties