monkadill Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 Does any one agree with my thinking that Dani Osvaldo has had the biggest impact on our present form and the seasons ambitions? He was the player to push us on for the second half of the season and to bring another dimension to the striker options. My loyalty is with Richie, he has been awesome on this journey but i am starting to see his limitations and the options on the bench are not strong enough to change a game. Gaston has stepped up but he really supplements Adam and i think we lack that credible striker that Dani Osvaldo was. Who could have predicted Dani Osvaldo negative impact on the team off the field and his move out when we needed him most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 Probably more of a negative impact had he stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 Probably more of a negative impact had he stayed. I don't know, other clubs seem to manage to handle training ground bust ups fairly well, I mean they're a more common occurence than you'd think. Bit of a fine, bang heads together but you just don't ship the culprit out for nothing and cut off your nose to spite your face. I mean there's no guarantee that Juventus will buy him so then the problem would have just been put in abeyance for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 22 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2014 My point is that Dani Osvaldo was our Premier signing and for all the reasons he has gone and we have a gap in our Striking options. So flip the scenario, say we had a Dani Osvaldo type striker on the bench do you thing we would have changed todays game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 I don't know, other clubs seem to manage to handle training ground bust ups fairly well, I mean they're a more common occurence than you'd think. Bit of a fine, bang heads together but you just don't ship the culprit out for nothing and cut off your nose to spite your face. I mean there's no guarantee that Juventus will buy him so then the problem would have just been put in abeyance for a while. Don't know, but I suspect this might have been the final straw ? Yes, accept your point that the Juventus deal is by no means 'done'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 My point is that Dani Osvaldo was our Premier signing and for all the reasons he has gone and we have a gap in our Striking options. So flip the scenario, say we had a Dani Osvaldo type striker on the bench do you thing we would have changed todays game? By his own admission he couldn't get to grips with the English way,so I don't think he personally would of changed the game. However a more mobile st would have given us a good chance,Davis Cork and Morgan are too defensive IMO we need someone that can create and that is consistent,I said at the back end of last season we need a ST that can play off the last man and get onto those through balls.Lambert for all his other qualities is not the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 Dani was our marquee signing and anticipated top scorer, to complete the team from last season which was lacking in the final third. Long before his departure he was becoming a major disappointment. I agree with the OP, his (lack of) input is very telling, especially in games like today where we desperately needed some creativity up front. Hopefully any monies recovered from his transfer can be put towards a quality striker , and we start again next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 He didn't work out and it has been a major blow. Hope we can find someone for next year but it aint easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 he did not work out - he only scored 3 goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 We don't miss Dani, we' e done nearly all of our good work this season without him. We do miss another class striking option though, we have a 32 year striker with dodgey hips playing every week with little help. Hope Gallagher is able to consistently make the step up for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 By his own admission he couldn't get to grips with the English way,. Please elaborate on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 We'd been back to top form after he left, and only in the last 2 have we played poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 he did not work out - he only scored 3 goals! Went missing in the majority of games he played in as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 I had grave reservations about his signing before it happened. He has a repeated history of violent clashes with team-mates and there was a very good reason the Roma fans hated him. Clearly a talented player but it was obvious even to me that his presence would upset the strong team bond that is the basis for our success the last few years. Add in the fact that he didn't really want to come here in the first place (he was blatantly hoping to sign for a 'bigger' club) and the transfer was never going to work out. As much as I really wanted to believe he could put all his past troubles behind him and integrate with and enhance our squad, deep down I knew it wouldn't happen. I thought he might last longer than half a season though. Signing him was a massive gamble that failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 Does any one agree with my thinking that Dani Osvaldo has had the biggest impact on our present form and the seasons ambitions? He was the player to push us on for the second half of the season and to bring another dimension to the striker options. My loyalty is with Richie, he has been awesome on this journey but i am starting to see his limitations and the options on the bench are not strong enough to change a game. Gaston has stepped up but he really supplements Adam and i think we lack that credible striker that Dani Osvaldo was. Who could have predicted Dani Osvaldo negative impact on the team off the field and his move out when we needed him most. Just about anybody could have predicted his negative impact given his record, in particular the Manager who worked with him at Espanyol. He was not a credible striker in the first half of the season so nothing to suggest he was the player to push us on in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 We don't miss Osvaldo, we miss the player he was meant to be, indeed is but not for us. You don't lead the line for Italy is you aren't a good player. Whilst some were begging him to sign I had reservations about him given his history and also his motives for joining, if stories are true he rejected us several times before he eventually signed, obviously I don't expect Italian internationals to claim they always dreamed of playing for Southampton but he certainly needed some convincing. The cynic in me says that maybe he took as as a short term move, his real desire was to stay in Italy but Roma were unwilling to sell to rival so he came here for the short term before returning to where he wanted to be. MP clearly wanted him though and I thought he'd be able to handle him but it seems not. Its a shame because he's clearly a good player and a bit of a character which clubs need but unfortunately for us the wrong sort of character as well as money a a great opportunity wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 February, 2014 Share Posted 22 February, 2014 We don't miss Osvaldo, we miss the player he was meant to be, indeed is but not for us. You don't lead the line for Italy is you aren't a good player. Whilst some were begging him to sign I had reservations about him given his history and also his motives for joining, if stories are true he rejected us several times before he eventually signed, obviously I don't expect Italian internationals to claim they always dreamed of playing for Southampton but he certainly needed some convincing. The cynic in me says that maybe he took as as a short term move, his real desire was to stay in Italy but Roma were unwilling to sell to rival so he came here for the short term before returning to where he wanted to be. MP clearly wanted him though and I thought he'd be able to handle him but it seems not. Its a shame because he's clearly a good player and a bit of a character which clubs need but unfortunately for us the wrong sort of character as well as money a a great opportunity wasted. Good shout Turkish I agree with all of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Please elaborate on that. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9155542/southampton-striker-dani-osvaldo-admits-he-struggled-with-life-in-england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 I had grave reservations about his signing before it happened. He has a repeated history of violent clashes with team-mates and there was a very good reason the Roma fans hated him. Clearly a talented player but it was obvious even to me that his presence would upset the strong team bond that is the basis for our success the last few years. Add in the fact that he didn't really want to come here in the first place (he was blatantly hoping to sign for a 'bigger' club) and the transfer was never going to work out. As much as I really wanted to believe he could put all his past troubles behind him and integrate with and enhance our squad, deep down I knew it wouldn't happen. I thought he might last longer than half a season though. Signing him was a massive gamble that failed. Top post! Saints either knew of his unpleasant disruptive ways and took a gamble OR did not do the homwork into his personalty to see if he would fit in. Just hope it goes well for him at Juve' as we could end up seeing back here in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Osvaldo has been a mistake from start to finish. He didnt want to join, didnt settle, caused a bad vibe, and his departure may also be part of the funk MoPo is in. Easy to say with hindsight, but maybe Mayuka should have had more chance. Even Billy would have added something yesterday, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9155542/southampton-striker-dani-osvaldo-admits-he-struggled-with-life-in-england Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Fair point but I think Turkish hit the nail on the head, we missed the player he should have been. In my opinion it was a gamble worth taking mind you as he had plenty of quality and could have been the answer to a lot of our problems this season. We've really not been far from being real class, the summer could be really really interesting I suppose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 and his departure may also be part of the funk MoPo is in....What is a "funk" and in what way is he in one....and when did it start? or is it just a figment of your imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 It's a crying shame Ossie didn't work out as if it had I think we'd be gatecrashing top 6 right now. Infact it's a testimony to just how good the rest of the team have been that we've been able to absorb it and still look safe as houses. I was tremendously excited by it, he's a class act but sadly his personality didn't gel. The club took a justifiable gamble and it failed, fortunately we are safe and live to fight another day. The search for a top class striker that can fit in with the squad needs to start now, it was our no 1 priority last summer and it's an even bigger priority now. We can't go into 2014/15 with Ricky as our front line striker. We also need to get a rival GK to Artur, that's another major weakness in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 We don't miss Dani, we' e done nearly all of our good work this season without him. We do miss another class striking option though, we have a 32 year striker with dodgey hips playing every week with little help. Hope Gallagher is able to consistently make the step up for the rest of the season. so do I, but historically.... it takes 1-2 seasons for a new young striker to get established and become a first team regular. Let's be patient with young Sam. He's not likely to start too many games before the end of the season, and if he scores even 2 goals ...I'd be very surprised ...(though highly delighted) but not expect him to replace RL next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 It's a crying shame Ossie didn't work out as if it had I think we'd be gatecrashing top 6 right now. Infact it's a testimony to just how good the rest of the team have been that we've been able to absorb it and still look safe as houses. I was tremendously excited by it, he's a class act but sadly his personality didn't gel. The club took a justifiable gamble and it failed, fortunately we are safe and live to fight another day. The search for a top class striker that can fit in with the squad needs to start now, it was our no 1 priority last summer and it's an even bigger priority now. We can't go into 2014/15 with Ricky as our front line striker. We also need to get a rival GK to Artur, that's another major weakness in the squad. +1 these are obvious priorities - aren't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 February, 2014 Share Posted 24 February, 2014 Moral of the story : If a player doesnt want to join, dont sign him. If a player wants to leave, let him. Never thought I'd be quoting from the Rupert Lowe Guide to Running a Football Club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 24 February, 2014 Share Posted 24 February, 2014 Can anyone actually tell me how he's doing for Juve? Kind of plays a key part of this whole argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 24 February, 2014 Share Posted 24 February, 2014 Can anyone actually tell me how he's doing for Juve? Kind of plays a key part of this whole argument. Just checked it out. He came on as a sub for Tevez in the 92nd minute at the weekend. Obviously tearing the Italian league apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 24 February, 2014 Share Posted 24 February, 2014 Forget Osvaldo, he won't play again. Still think we missed a trick not signing Shane Long in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 February, 2014 Share Posted 24 February, 2014 Just checked it out. He came on as a sub for Tevez in the 92nd minute at the weekend. Obviously tearing the Italian league apart. What do Juventus care though, cheap loan, possibly even aided by the Italian Federation, they can alway use him for the peripheral competitions like the Europa League . We have done ourselves a vast disservice by falling for his antics. If we had held our nerve he would have buckled down just for the sake of the WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 24 February, 2014 Share Posted 24 February, 2014 Forget Osvaldo, he won't play again. Still think we missed a trick not signing Shane Long in January Yes, he would have been a good choice. We are creating no end of chances and shots on/off target. We just need someone with a good conversion rate. Shane Long would have been good, Jermain Defoe would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 February, 2014 Share Posted 25 February, 2014 amid all the media hype with his signing, I seem to recall that his WAG was pregnant at that time. QUESTION: Has she had the baby yet?....and if so ....was it born in England? .......if so, it might qualify to play for Engla**.....Oops:blush: NO sorry, don't think I'll pursue that one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 February, 2014 Share Posted 25 February, 2014 amid all the media hype with his signing, I seem to recall that his WAG was pregnant at that time. QUESTION: Has she had the baby yet?....and if so ....was it born in England? .......if so, it might qualify to play for Engla**.....Oops:blush: NO sorry, don't think I'll pursue that one...... I googled this to find out & wikipedia had all the answers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osvaldo_Daniel She has multiple sexual relationship with Osvaldo, hoping that she will get pregnant. She later discovered that Osvaldo is impotent and unable to give her child. She looked for the help of Dr. Silvia Valencia, a gynecologist who was working at Albieri's fertility clinic to get a child through artificial insemination. Albieri then implanted the blastocyst into Dora's ovary. At this time, Dora does not know that she was carrying a clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 February, 2014 Share Posted 25 February, 2014 I googled this to find out & wikipedia had all the answers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osvaldo_Daniel Oh no .......this could only be in a soap opera - couldn't it . Can we change the subject ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 25 February, 2014 Share Posted 25 February, 2014 (edited) My loyalty is with Richie, he has been awesome on this journey but i am starting to see his limitations He was good but the Fonz was always the one with the star quality, so they managed fine without him Edited 25 February, 2014 by Ex Lion Tamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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