Saints foreva Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Still massively disappointed with Pochettino's team selection. I noticed Luke Shaw put a tweet out saying that MP wanted to win the cup more than anyone else but that's obviously bull****. Cork and Schneiderlin on the bench prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 The question you should ask and its the only one with any real validity as it has a definitive answer is by the those fans, the ones I have would not change anything with respect to the Cup wins not by trying to reassure yourself on your own clubs forums.Iam sure the fans of those clubs have memories that live forever and will soften the blow of their present position. Those are the hardcore fans of course, the rest have drifted away and will only return in the good days. Being PL is more important now than ever as the gap is widening by the year and if those teams do not return in the next 2years or so they will be cut adrift financially. I would love the club to have put the FA cup above 8th position, but I would not want to win a cup and go back down. The players should shoulder some of the pain as they did let themselves down , it is just odd why they were not up for it especially as we had a british core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Today's under 21 Development Squads defeat by Bournemouth 5 -1 speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Still angry, but it's done and can't be fixed. A good result Saturday will go some way to changing things though. Let's face it, our views on our team mainly change on a week to week basis. Win at West Ham, and all of a sudden we'll be world beaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I was massive angry after Sunderland. Still am. Does time heal? Im looking forward to West Ham and getting a result. But is it still forgotten. Win and I will forget, not if we lose. I am still angry. MoPo let the fans down with the decision to play an under strength side. He seems to be avoiding European football, probably for a good long term building reason but I say there's no problem with the Euefa cup - just play the kids with a little expectation management!! I hope he's learnt from this backlash. I am going to West Ham, but still finding it hard to muster as much belief and enthusiasm as I was a week ago. Seems like MoPo will go there for a draw on current tactics and keep 8th place to avoid Europe, achieve his contractual target and then watch our players leave in the summer. Negative? Yes. Angry still? You bet. All I want is MoPo to public ally set a target of Euefa footy next season to make the rest of the season worth it. As I say... Just get there and then use it to blood the academy. I'd be content with that next season. Football club dies without ambition - support fades and players crave success elsewhere. This is a decision point for MoPo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I am still angry. MoPo let the fans down with the decision to play an under strength side. He seems to be avoiding European football, probably for a good long term building reason but I say there's no problem with the Euefa cup - just play the kids with a little expectation management!! I hope he's learnt from this backlash. I am going to West Ham, but still finding it hard to muster as much belief and enthusiasm as I was a week ago. Seems like MoPo will go there for a draw on current tactics and keep 8th place to avoid Europe, achieve his contractual target and then watch our players leave in the summer. Negative? Yes. Angry still? You bet. All I want is MoPo to public ally set a target of Euefa footy next season to make the rest of the season worth it. As I say... Just get there and then use it to blood the academy. I'd be content with that next season. Football club dies without ambition - support fades and players crave success elsewhere. This is a decision point for MoPo. 'Backlash' ? Yer avin' a laff ! A few whiners and wrist slitters wailing and bed wetting whilst the rest of the fans move on and get behind the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert1979 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 No - I have a sense of perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 If you're only as good as your last game (so the saying goes) then we are in a low state right now. However, a 3-nil win at West Ham and in my view we are back on track. I've calmed down after the Sunderland defeat. Still disappointed with the team selection, but even that team should have beaten Sunderland's B team. Bad day for most of those players. Don't believe Boruc would have saved the goal but our attacking players were first choices and should have played to full potential to make it a comfortable win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 We could beat WHU 5-0 and I wouldnt care much. All that would do is further prove that he completely under prepared for the important cup game and prioritised a pointless league fixture. Unfortunately mopo has backed himself into a no win situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 We could beat WHU 5-0 and I wouldnt care much. i would get boner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 We could beat WHU 5-0 and I wouldnt care much. All that would do is further prove that he completely under prepared for the important cup game and prioritised a pointless league fixture. Unfortunately mopo has backed himself into a no win situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Two more items that dont fit with "Blame the players, not the manager" : 1. MoPo doesnt do the media relating to the FA Cup 2. Lallanas substitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 'Backlash' ? Yer avin' a laff ! A few whiners and wrist slitters wailing and bed wetting whilst the rest of the fans move on and get behind the team. Dalek: back·lash [bak-lash] noun 1. a sudden, forceful backward movement; recoil. 2. a strong or violent reaction, as to some social or political change: a backlash of angry feeling among Southern conservatives within the party. 3. Machinery . a. the space between the thickness of a gear tooth and the width of the space between teeth in the mating gear, designed to allow for a film of lubricant, binding from heat expansion and eccentricity, or manufacturing inaccuracies. b. play or lost motion between loosely fitting machine parts. 4. Angling. a snarled line on a reel, usually caused by a faulty cast. verb (used without object) 5. to make or undergo a backlash. I refer the learned gentlemen to the dictionary definition where it quite rightly refers to upset Southerners: "a backlash of angry feeling among Southern conservatives within the party." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I looked at some of the reactions after the cup loss and judging by some reactions it was as if we lost 5 or 6 nil, not by a single goal. Even if we had beaten them there would've been no guarantee we would've beaten Hull or Brighton, it would be arrogant to assume otherwise - I'm sure some of you can remember the replay against Tranmere in the FA Cup a few years back. Then I read about how 'we have nothing to play for' because we're 8th. FFS! I bet there's a lot of supporters of other teams who would love their team to be 8th in the premiership and it certainly makes a change from being the perennial strugglers that we were, relying on last day results to see if we were staying up or going down. It's almost as if just because we are owned by a rich family we are going to win things. Despite that we don't know how much money they are willing to splash out in the future. The fact is that we have always been an average club with an average history. Then there's Fitzhughs' gem of a topic after the cup loss proclaiming that the club is no longer run for the fans... seriously??? It doesn't take genius to realise that's been the case for years! Yes, we got knocked out of the cup and we're 8th in the league but the way I see it, things could be a lot lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Two more items that dont fit with "Blame the players, not the manager" : 1. MoPo doesnt do the media relating to the FA Cup 2. Lallanas substitution 1. Not the first time that MoPo hasnt met the media, in fact Id argue he has become more inactive since NC left, evidentally he doesnt appear on the touchline as often 2. Lallana looked knackered, certainly didnt look his usual self, yes he was our best player on the day but still, considering his worth he needs protecting. Talk of MoPo throwing the game is pretty rediculous, yes I think he should have rested players pre Sunderland but he didnt, that team could have beaten them, we missed two sitters and generally the players on show were substandard. Our real problem is our strength in depth or lack thereof, if at anytime we have to dip into our 2nd string we look inadequate. The FA cup is done, things happen, get over it (thats not all necessarily aimed at you AC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Two more items that dont fit with "Blame the players, not the manager" : 1. MoPo doesnt do the media relating to the FA Cup 2. Lallanas substitution 1. Maybe he cares so much about the cup that he prefers staying with the players? Or is it THAT important who from the manager staff that spends time with Alex Boring Crook (Goring Cook) and Simon Peach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I looked at some of the reactions after the cup loss and judging by some reactions it was as if we lost 5 or 6 nil, not by a single goal. Even if we had beaten them there would've been no guarantee we would've beaten Hull or Brighton, it would be arrogant to assume otherwise - I'm sure some of you can remember the replay against Tranmere in the FA Cup a few years back. Then I read about how 'we have nothing to play for' because we're 8th. FFS! I bet there's a lot of supporters of other teams who would love their team to be 8th in the premiership and it certainly makes a change from being the perennial strugglers that we were, relying on last day results to see if we were staying up or going down. It's almost as if just because we are owned by a rich family we are going to win things. Despite that we don't know how much money they are willing to splash out in the future. The fact is that we have always been an average club with an average history. Then there's Fitzhughs' gem of a topic after the cup loss proclaiming that the club is no longer run for the fans... seriously??? It doesn't take genius to realise that's been the case for years! Yes, we got knocked out of the cup and we're 8th in the league but the way I see it, things could be a lot lot worse. My point was (probably badly made since I was still angry then) there is little respect for the fans these days. But as so many pointed out that's modern football. Like some I remain disillusioned but supporting the Saints is too ingrained in my blood and I will be hoping like hell we beat West Ham, particularly as I hate Nolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 If you're still angry and upset, get another hobby/life to take your mind off it. YOLO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Dalek: back·lash [bak-lash] noun 1. a sudden, forceful backward movement; recoil. 2. a strong or violent reaction, as to some social or political change: a backlash of angry feeling among Southern conservatives within the party. 3. Machinery . a. the space between the thickness of a gear tooth and the width of the space between teeth in the mating gear, designed to allow for a film of lubricant, binding from heat expansion and eccentricity, or manufacturing inaccuracies. b. play or lost motion between loosely fitting machine parts. 4. Angling. a snarled line on a reel, usually caused by a faulty cast. verb (used without object) 5. to make or undergo a backlash. I refer the learned gentlemen to the dictionary definition where it quite rightly refers to upset Southerners: "a backlash of angry feeling among Southern conservatives within the party." Thank you for your time and attention to this important issue. I agree with the fact that there was a short lived ' strong reaction' amongst a small number of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 My point was (probably badly made since I was still angry then) there is little respect for the fans these days. But as so many pointed out that's modern football. Like some I remain disillusioned but supporting the Saints is too ingrained in my blood and I will be hoping like hell we beat West Ham, particularly as I hate Nolan. Talking of Wham, what about their exit in the Cup against Forest !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Talking of Wham, what about their exit in the Cup against Forest !!!they were in serious relegation trouble and so I doubt even the fans who are moaning would understand playing that weakened side. I wonder if our team/manager turned up after listening to Poyet saying they weren't worried thought it would be easy and so got shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 If you're still angry and upset, get another hobby/life to take your mind off it. YOLO I'm still angry after wasting a day and the best part of £100 going to Sunderland in the belief that the club were going to take the match seriously. I'll let others crack one off about the possibility of finishing 7th. Whooopeefu**ingdooodaaadah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I'm still angry after wasting a day and the best part of £100 going to Sunderland in the belief that the club were going to take the match seriously. I'll let others crack one off about the possibility of finishing 7th. Whooopeefu**ingdooodaaadah. Pretty decent being the 7th best team in the country if that's where we finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I'm still angry after wasting a day and the best part of £100 going to Sunderland in the belief that the club were going to take the match seriously. I'll let others crack one off about the possibility of finishing 7th. Whooopeefu**ingdooodaaadah. Im sure you are angry, but surely you knew that we would not play all the first team? We were consistant in that,I still think the team put out should have done better. it all goes back to if one of our major players had stuck the ball away your £100 would have been worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Pretty decent being the 7th best team in the country if that's where we finish. Apparently nothing that makes you remember it.......but everyone I´ve asked still know that it was 2003 we finished 8th.... But of course it´s disappointing to lose the cup final last week, can agree with that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Pretty decent being the 7th best team in the country if that's where we finish. Whoopee. They'll remember it in the years ahead. Men will weep at the thought of 7th. Oh no, sorry, it was a FA Cup final I was thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Pretty decent being the 7th best team in the country if that's where we finish. You are not LISTENING!!! People are angry 'bout this. Even on a Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 but everyone I´ve asked still know that it was 2003 we finished 8th.... I do wonder why peeps remember 2003?? Odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I do wonder why peeps remember 2003?? Odd Yep strange that they know the answer is 2003 to the question "when did Saints have their highest finish in PL?". Surely a finish like that would be blurred out of all memories because of a cup final?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Yep strange that they know the answer is 2003 to the question "when did Saints have their highest finish in PL?". Surely a finish like that would be blurred out of all memories because of a cup final?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I'm not angry but still think it was a wasted opportunity, wether we finish 7th, 8th or 9th makes no difference to me whatsoever. I would happily give a few kids a run out against West Ham, prepare for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Cup run didn't have a positive effect on Birmingham, Wigan, Millwall, Portsmouth etc in recent years. So, you can only name 4 teams with cup runs that you feel saw them worse off... that's an awful lot of teams who didn't have a negative reaction from their cup runs over the corresponding years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 So, you can only name 4 teams with cup runs that you feel saw them worse off... that's an awful lot of teams who didn't have a negative reaction from their cup runs over the corresponding years Swansea are not as good now after winning the league cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Whoopee. They'll remember it in the years ahead. Men will weep at the thought of 7th. Oh no, sorry, it was a FA Cup final I was thinking about. Does the league not matter then? Why do people buy season tickets to watch league games? Why do we bother entering it? The way people are going on, the league is boring and irrelevant and cups are everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Swansea are not as good now after winning the league cup And Arsenal and Citeh took the Cup seriously are are now certainly eliminated from the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 And Arsenal and Citeh took the Cup seriously are are now certainly eliminated from the CL. It seems that unless you're one of the big boys, cup wins have a toxic effect overall. Blessing in disguise perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Swansea are not as good now after winning the league cup Man Utd have won it 11 times and are now in decline. We are better off out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Best part is that its almost like people think if we had beaten Sunderland we would have won the Cup? Chaos theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Best part is that its almost like people think if we had beaten Sunderland we would have won the Cup? Chaos theory. Depends, the Cup this year is a hinderance to all those involvved in the WC, the team with the least WC players in it will probably win. FA Cup final 17/5, quite a few WC squads start to assemble on the 19th I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 just spit-balling here but is there any chance we can appeal to the FA cos the line-up wasn't what we wanted? Maybe get the game re-played? Got to be worth a shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Depends, the Cup this year is a hinderance to all those involvved in the WC, the team with the least WC players in it will probably win. FA Cup final 17/5, quite a few WC squads start to assemble on the 19th I think. If so we wouldn´t be favourites since posters on here thinks we´re bringing 8-9 players to WC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 If so we wouldn´t be favourites since posters on here thinks we´re bringing 8-9 players to WC.. 5 perhaps, can't see any more: Gaston,Dejan,Maya,Adam,Luke (perhaps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 We could beat WHU 5-0 and I wouldnt care much. All that would do is further prove that he completely under prepared for the important cup game and prioritised a pointless league fixture. Unfortunately mopo has backed himself into a no win situation ... misssing the 'in my opinion which is on more valid than any other' bit realy though ar you not? Quetsion: do you have a job? Wife, Kids? or is this your only source of amusement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 5 perhaps, can't see any more: Gaston,Dejan,Maya,Adam,Luke (perhaps). Me neither but seen posters naming 5 just for the England squad and seemed pretty serious about it (I think). What about Hooiveld for Holland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 ... misssing the 'in my opinion which is on more valid than any other' bit realy though ar you not? Quetsion: do you have a job? Wife, Kids? or is this your only source of amusement? Well we learnt yesterday that he is a big time stock market trader as well as a professional gambler and X-Film stunt man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 just spit-balling here but is there any chance we can appeal to the FA cos the line-up wasn't what we wanted? Maybe get the game re-played? Got to be worth a shout I think WHU could do the same. After all when they let Forest win it was because they thought that they might get relegated, but now they think they will be ok so maybe they should be let in the Cup again. Our case is a bit more complicated, we had to be careful not to qualify for Europe but if we finish 8th we could be OK. The Cup could have complicted our strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 Well we learnt yesterday that he is a big time stock market trader as well as a professional gambler and X-Film stunt man. when you say X-Film windows, do you mean what i think you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I think WHU could do the same. After all when they let Forest win it was because they thought that they might get relegated, but now they think they will be ok so maybe they should be let in the Cup again. Our case is a bit more complicated, we had to be careful not to qualify for Europe but if we finish 8th we could be OK. The Cup could have complicted our strategy. People can sneer at this idea but at least I'm trying to get something done rather than just moaning the whole time. I will send the FA a pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 People can sneer at this idea but at least I'm trying to get something done rather than just moaning the whole time. I will send the FA a pm. Good, but if clubs like WHAM fall back in the relegation zone they should be allowed to opt out again. There is also the problem of Wigan, surely as they won the Cup and got relegated, they should be allowed back in the PL, perhaps to swap place with the team that came 8th last year as that will surely make them much happier as they can then be given the Cup instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 (edited) People can sneer at this idea but at least I'm trying to get something done rather than just moaning the whole time. I will send the FA a pm. If they did do-overs in any form of sport no encounter whatsoever would ever be finally decided. Already half the football games in the UK would have to be played again because one of the managers felt his side was robbed by the ref. We've seen that in the last couple of days, both Arsenal and City virtually eliminated from the CL already and both managers blame the refs. UK refereeing is "special" when teams get continental refs they get penalties and red cards given against them that UK refs just wave away and carry on. Edited 20 February, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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