Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 So you think they will stay? If they are that good then they obviously will be offered terms from bigger teams with better prospects of trophies and more money, stands to reason. But they're not that good, none of our players are top top quality, they're Everton/Saints/Spurs best of the rest quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 So you think they will stay? If they are that good then they obviously will be offered terms from bigger teams with better prospects of trophies and more money, stands to reason. Did the same not apply in the summer of 2013? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Did the same not apply in the summer of 2013? Cortese had a weird vision of the Champions League and the players bought it, once bitten twice shy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 You quoting George Micheal now Baz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 But they're not that good, none of our players are top top quality, they're Everton/Saints/Spurs best of the rest quality. I thought they were according to some? If Spurs came knocking with an over inflated price we would sell, they play in Europe and are a far bigger club, why wouldn't the payer go thats the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 You quoting George Micheal now Baz? It is better than having a poster on my wall of him Tokyo and forever telling your mum crop tops are now unisex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 You grown out of that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 You grown out of that now? I have you haven't anyway we digress, lets get back on track, the summer transfer window is one I will be more interested in than for many years as we will finally get to the bottom of the real agenda of the owners since the sad passing of Markus Leibherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 I thought they were according to some? If Spurs came knocking with an over inflated price we would sell, they play in Europe and are a far bigger club, why wouldn't the payer go thats the question? I don't see what you think Spurs can offer that we can't? A few rounds in a poverty European competition that no one cares about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2014 So you think they will stay? If they are that good then they obviously will be offered terms from bigger teams with better prospects of trophies and more money, stands to reason. I don't think they will all go, no. I think we could be fending off offers, it completely depends on whats happening at board and manager level in my opinion. If the club is still as driven as it was under Cortese, then I see no reason for anyone to leave. I'm also not so blinkered that I think they all want to stay here for the rest of their careers. Shaw will probably go to Chelsea, and I'm sure there will be interest in others, but have you ever seen a club sell their 4 best players in one summer? Especially if not financially striken! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Will we necessarily replace Hooiveld? How easy will it be to find a better player that is happy to be a 4th choice CB? He might well want to move for more playing time himself, the same will apply for Yoshida. Centre Back and Goalkeeper are the hardest positions to manage in terms of good quality squad players, as they may get very little playing time and their game is significantly based on their relationship around them, but can go large chunks of the season without really playing. It's a real pity we've not had any quality coming through our youth system in either position, which would be ideal for back-up. There's a reason jos is 4th choice, he's poor. So why would we buy a cb that is so poor that he is 4th choice and no improvement? We sell jos and buy a cb that is direct competition for fonte and yoshida, thus improving our cb department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 I don't think they will all go, no. I think we could be fending off offers, it completely depends on whats happening at board and manager level in my opinion. If the club is still as driven as it was under Cortese, then I see no reason for anyone to leave. I'm also not so blinkered that I think they all want to stay here for the rest of their careers. Shaw will probably go to Chelsea, and I'm sure there will be interest in others, but have you ever seen a club sell their 4 best players in one summer? Especially if not financially striken! I saw it stated that we turned down offers for no less than 7 of our players in the last transfer window, can't remember where I saw it though, looked quite genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 I don't see what you think Spurs can offer that we can't? A few rounds in a poverty European competition that no one cares about? Bigger club,more money, higher profile, in London, better squad and first XI, challenging for the Champions League, just a few off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Shaw, Lovren and Schneiderlin could all start for an English CL team. Aside from Shaw its hard to tell if there is genuine interest. Key with Shaw is who behind the scenes will be persuading him to stay and telling him the reasons not to go. At the moment its the Manager who won't commit his own future, and an Accountant bumped up to Chief Exec who is there short term. If Pochettino did decide to leave then I could easily see interest in Jay Rod and Lallana also. Would be hard to keep some of these lads unless they feel the club wants to continue to grow, which nobody knows at this stage. This why the offield stuff needs sorting ASAP. The players are entitled to know the plans as soon as the season finishes because they have been sold the club under Cortese, and its only fair they know what it will be like going forwards before the likes of Morgan, Jay, Lallana, Chambers, Lovren etc decide what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Bigger club,more money, higher profile, in London, better squad and first XI, challenging for the Champions League, just a few off the top of my head. So arguably more money and that's literally it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 So arguably more money and that's literally it. So Spurs are not a bigger club than us? They dont have a higher profile? They are not in London? They dont have a better first XI than us? Or a better squad? And they are not challenging for the Champions League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 will be amazed if we dont lose one of our established players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 The point about our academy and CBs is an interesting one. When was the last genuine top flight quality CB we produced? Arguably Reuben Agboola as Mark Wright and Richard Hall were both bought in from the lower divisions. Maybe they take longer to mature than most of the other outfield positions where we've produced abundant amounts of talented players? Given that for the last 20 years we either seem to have been in relegation or promotion battles for all bar 2-3 seasons, the timing might not have been right to blood them whereas a winger, full back or striker is less of a risk to the team's structure. In terms of the OP, I guess activity is going to depend on: i) New CEO in place or not ii) Ownership iii) MP staying or going and how quickly he's replaced if he does leave. I honestly think young Chambers is going to eventually make it as a CB, reasonably sure there is that avenue of development for him. It depends on scouts and coaches I suppose. On what they are looking for, coaching and qualified to do as top level they specialise a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 So Spurs are not a bigger club than us? They dont have a higher profile? They are not in London? They dont have a better first XI than us? Or a better squad? And they are not challenging for the Champions League? What does playing for a bigger club, with a higher profile actually offer a player aside from f#ck all? Not everyone likes London so that point's irrelevant, Hampshire is arguably a much nicer place to live. A better first 11 and squad means they're less likely to play so is a negative, and no Spurs won't be playing Champions League anytime soon. So they might possibly offer more money, but then again they might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Playing for Saints won't stop him playing for England... Shaw has apparently been penciled in for a England senior team debut vs Denmark aged 18 whilst at Saints... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/12/roy-hodgson-ashley-cole-england-future http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2557906/England-Luke-future-Shaw-set-place-Roys-squad-against-Denmark-spell-end-Cole.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/englands-world-cup-2014-ashley-3138975? Your saying that all that matters ? A game for England ? He wont stay forever, I just hope it is not as early as next year and that he goes for a record fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 I have you haven't anyway we digress, lets get back on track, the summer transfer window is one I will be more interested in than for many years as we will finally get to the bottom of the real agenda of the owners since the sad passing of Markus Leibherr. One thing that me and the dunemeister general can agree on. I just cant see them spunking the cash to a level we are used to or to pay for the level that was aspired to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 In my opinion we need to: Get in a decent back-up GK, Ship out Hooiveld (on loan or permanent), Get in a decent CB, Send JWP out on loan, A decent LB (Haven't seen or heard enough of Targett to judge him), A decent PL/CL standard striker. If we hit all these 'targets' then I think we'll have a successful transfer window which will push the club a bit further up the table and closer to our long term CL goal. The big question is, is whether KL and the new mentality the club has adopted will affect our transfer activity. If it does and we play it safe so to speak then I can see the squad pretty much staying as it is (maybe with a couple going out on loan) maybe with the addition of a decent SBC striker to shore up our attacking options but that's about it. So basically, do we stick or twist? I would've thought that if we keep our current first team squad together we could easily get mid-table again next season but it all depends if the clubs ambitions are still to get the CL or not eventually…it'll be bloody interesting to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 In my opinion, the biggest target for the summer window is getting in a proven striker - simple as. We create more than enough chances as a side, even when not at full strength, but we just struggle to put the ball in the net, especially when well on top during the game. The only time we've done that this season, to my knowledge is the Cardiff away game. Apart from that, too many games have ended with numerous people saying "what if..." The difference a 20+ goal a season striker would make... Oh, and of course, keep our best players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 An article from today on ESPN, apologies if already posted http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/284781.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Are we really that short at CB, that an Academy player can't offer enough cover? Assuming a departure that's 3 CBs plus an Academy player as the fourth. I think that's fine. I think we still need a LB. If any players leave us this summer it could most likely be Shaw and/or Clyne. I don't think Schneiderlin, Lallana, Lovren (not this first season anyway) or Rodriguez. That, and a substitute goalkeeper. Maybe look around at the 2nd-tier national teams of Europe, like NI-Steven Davis, though not sure what good prospects would exist in such predicament? Maybe fish from one of the relegated sides at the end of the PL season. There are some quality keepers on that bottom half and I'm sure a few would be happy with coming over should the possibility of more PL football become something to lure them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 In my opinion, the biggest target for the summer window is getting in a proven striker - simple as. We create more than enough chances as a side, even when not at full strength, but we just struggle to put the ball in the net, especially when well on top during the game. The only time we've done that this season, to my knowledge is the Cardiff away game. Apart from that, too many games have ended with numerous people saying "what if..." The difference a 20+ goal a season striker would make... Oh, and of course, keep our best players You want us to go out and buy a striker that scores 20+ in the Prem? Thanks for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 In my opinion, the biggest target for the summer window is getting in a proven striker - simple as. We create more than enough chances as a side, even when not at full strength, but we just struggle to put the ball in the net, especially when well on top during the game. The only time we've done that this season, to my knowledge is the Cardiff away game. Apart from that, too many games have ended with numerous people saying "what if..." The difference a 20+ goal a season striker would make... Oh, and of course, keep our best players A proven 20+ goals a season premier league striker you say? Which one out of Suarez, Van Persie and Aguero should we go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 And where in my post did I say get a proven PREMIER LEAGUE striker? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 What does playing for a bigger club, with a higher profile actually offer a player aside from f#ck all? Not everyone likes London so that point's irrelevant, Hampshire is arguably a much nicer place to live. A better first 11 and squad means they're less likely to play so is a negative, and no Spurs won't be playing Champions League anytime soon. So they might possibly offer more money, but then again they might not. Why do players continue to sign for Arsenal then, for a young person with millions of pounds and in all probability single Hampshire to London compares like Audley Harrision to Mike Tyson the late 80's, dont be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 And where in my post did I say get a proven PREMIER LEAGUE striker? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Didn't realise you meant the Lithuanian league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Look, we signed Osvaldo. A 20 goal a season striker across Italy / Spain. Why won't we do the same again, just this time not spend it on a nutcase and instead an actual footballer. Stop being so pedantic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Why do players continue to sign for Arsenal then, for a young person with millions of pounds and in all probability single Hampshire to London compares like Audley Harrision to Mike Tyson the late 80's, dont be silly. That's funny because at the same time we've signed Roma's top scorer, Celtics best player and haven't sold anyone of note so your argument is kind of shat on by actual reality no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Hampshire or London Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 That's funny because at the same time we've signed Roma's top scorer, Celtics best player and haven't sold anyone of note so your argument is kind of shat on by actual reality no? Because he was being thrown out by Roma, he was shiiit and we offered more money, signing Celtic best player in your opinion is hardly inspiring, if we can sign them why can others sign them from us? You argument is weak and flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Hampshire or London Lol For me I would pick Hampshire but can you imagine a footballer being shown a New Forest pony and what a great lifestyle the foresters have, I would think the prospective signing would think he was on the set of another remake of the wicker man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Because he was being thrown out by Roma, he was shiiit and we offered more money, signing Celtic best player in your opinion is hardly inspiring, if we can sign them why can others sign them from us? You argument is weak and flawed. Well no not really, Osvaldo's now playing for the best team in Italy and we've sold no one. Or has London just started being trendy since the end of the January transfer window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Every mid twenties millionaire is going to prefer spending his afternoon having cream teas in the new forest rather then shopping on Oxford street FFS. Come on guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Well no not really, Osvaldo's now playing for the best team in Italy and we've sold no one. Or has London just started being trendy since the end of the January transfer window? Osvaldo was a hit here, very successful, maybe he took a New Forest pony back with him? London started being trendy with the footballers in the 70'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Lol so true, as if we could sign anyone from Rome or Bologna. Everyone knows Hazard signed for Chelsea for the nightlife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 The cautionary tale for the likes of Shaw is to look at what happened to Bale & Walcott, both left seeking trophies but have won square root of f*ck all. Had they stayed they would now both be in proud possession of Johnstones Paint 2010 winners medals, which unlike piles of cash is something you can proudly show to ur grandkids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Lol so true, as if we could sign anyone from Rome or Bologna. Everyone knows Hazard signed for Chelsea for the nightlife I think Hazard went there for many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Hasn't it just been informally announced that Shaw's about to get a call up to the England squad? I don't think any of our players would be naive enough to think they couldn't get into the England squad playing whilst for Saints, Schneiderlin is the only player who might have a claim for leaving to increase the chance of playing for his country. I don't see any major players being sold this summer unless sh#t hits the fan with our owners. But that is the exact problem, the proverbial fan doesn't smell good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 And where in my post did I say get a proven PREMIER LEAGUE striker? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou do understand what a question mark is? So, that's not what you were saying we should be aiming for? I'm with you now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 I think Hazard went there for many reasons. None of which included shopping or Fabric. None of our players are good enough for an English champions league team and non champions league teams can't offer anything that we cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 But that is the exact problem, the proverbial fan doesn't smell good at all. These sorts of fans dont want to know the realities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Look, we signed Osvaldo. A 20 goal a season striker across Italy / Spain. When were these seasons you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 None of which included shopping or Fabric. None of our players are good enough for an English champions league team and non champions league teams can't offer anything that we cant Yes, yes they can, and I have written that up there, we are tiny compared to the teams above us. I accept this, you should to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 personally think the summer will be dependant on the owner/CEO/manager situation and the World Cup. We need stability/money to give the players belief that Southampton is still going somewhere.. without it will be heading back towards the bottom of the table.... .. then there's the World Cup....it still amazes me, how much top managers with expensive scouting systems, seem to be heavily influenced by a few players having a good performance at the WC. There's always one player that has a great WC... who subsequently has a big money transfer and then pretty much fails to deliver....... This could of course work both ways for us... i.e. if Shaw or Lallana go and have a great WC, they'll be even greater targets, but at least the price will have gone up... or they don't go.. and Mourinho/Moyes see some new left back from Honduras, that they'd rather have than Shaw.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 19 February, 2014 Share Posted 19 February, 2014 Yes, yes they can, and I have written that up there, we are tiny compared to the teams above us. I accept this, you should to. I think you need to stop being so insecure about our club bro. We're in the middle of the best season in the 20 odd years I've been following them and have had nothing but success these last 4/5 years, yet all you do is worry that it's going to fall apart. Maybe have some caffeine or something, you're like some kind of weird ass footballing cuckold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 February, 2014 Share Posted 20 February, 2014 I think you need to stop being so insecure about our club bro. We're in the middle of the best season in the 20 odd years I've been following them and have had nothing but success these last 4/5 years, yet all you do is worry that it's going to fall apart. Maybe have some caffeine or something, you're like some kind of weird ass footballing cuckold. No I simply know our standing in English football, the only way we could get players over larger clubs is to offer more money, the player will probably not want to be here ie Ramirez, Osvaldo. The next type of player is the stepping stone ie comes here improves and moves on for a higher fee, its simply life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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