The club is no longer run FOR the fans...............

[sotonjoe]

I find it pretty fricken sad that some of you feel its fine to attack Dincan so personnally, when he has no anonimity as you guys do... easy to be 'hard' from behind the secrecy of the keyboard. Pretty f**king low IMHO.

 

I disagree completely with many of Duncan's views on ownership as for me I have accepted what football has become and can live with that. Accepting what it has become makes it easier to accept the business focus and the fact that the club will not love you back. To me the thought of Fans on the board and input into key decsions is frightening if we want to challenge established views of our 'natural place' -

 

Duncan has a more more idealistic view, and yes it could be said to be an old fashioned one, but he has never tried to hide his opinion or his desire for such approaches... he has been honest about his true opinions which is more than can be said for some on here - cowardly WUMs.

 

Attacking the publishing/books because you disagree with his politics is another pathetic load of garbage - the independent reviews of the books is testament to tehir qualoity... and those guys have probably lost money on all of them - as they believe in providing fans with access to such history....

 

seriously, this place has become pretty pathetic - the 'dont take the internet so seriously' is the mantra of the cowardly keyboard warriors without the balls to provide their actual names, yet think they are soooo funny writing such shiete. Can only assume they hide behind their avatars, because they would be f**king embarrassed if folk knew they spouted such sheite... they should be.

 

Are you on drugs?

 

 

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[Smirking_Saint]

Words of wisdom yet again Dave [ Derry]. Like yourself Dave, I cannot understand why the mods allow the moronic few to spew out their vitriol in virtually every thing they post. You and I both know Duncan and despite some of his opinions, know him to be a thoroughly decent guy, a shame the moronic element on here, pass judgement when they do not even know the man.

 

I have not personally attacked him from a personal standpoint, from a work standpoint or even attacked his books. I merely have responded to the poster and his posting history.

 

It seems to me it doesnt matter who is in charge of the club after a small amount of time they will have done something of some sort to upset him and jump up on his horse again. It was only a matter of weeks ago he was fanfairing about what a wonderful chsirwoman we now have that not only acted to the will of the fans and also restocked the books (unlike that nasty Mr C)

 

Now KL has fallen into his sights aswell.

 

So Im sorry, but if you continue to react the way that FF constantly does, and continue to post with agenda filled drivvel then you get what you get. Agreed that care has to be taken not to get too personal but Ive not seen an awefull lot wrong with the replies so far.

[Viking Warrior]

As I had said earlier . I know Duncan , not well but I know him, So I was saddened to recieve the nasty attacks re my post,

 

I really thought duncan was above that sort of behaviiour, Maybe my comments were the straws that broke to camels back

 

but it is not the first time he has had a right pop and calling forum members some very unpleasant names

there is no need for that,

 

Frank and Derry make some good pragmatic comments but duncan dosent always help himself

 

As for his post yes may be I was a tad too sensitve re his post especially so soon after that defeat on saturday

 

I do wear my heart on my sleeve when it comes to saints, and I believe the club is very good hands and had thought we had significantly moved on from the days of Lowe, Wilde and co , If this forum is anything to go by there still seems to be a very very small group of people who want ill of the club.

 

PS I must be a true saint as I have all Duncans, Dave Bulls and Gary Chalk saints publications including a signed copy of the ted bates book

 

So on a positive note come on you saints

 

 

Mike

[70's Mike]

DO not think the club has ever been run for fans.

in the old days we were peasants who liked to drink beer

then customers

then clients

rarely do the owners ever take notice of the fans

[Window Cleaner]

DO not think the club has ever been run for fans.

in the old days we were peasants who liked to drink beer

then customers

then clients

rarely do the owners ever take notice of the fans

 

glad I'm not the only one who went to nigh on every game for a lot of years and yet has never felt that the club should be run for me, or any other fan for that matter.

[Bearsy]

glad I'm not the only one who went to nigh on every game for a lot of years and yet has never felt that the club should be run for me, or any other fan for that matter.

 

i would love it if they run it for me! We would have halftime strippers + free entry for u25 birds + topless stewards. I wouldn't like it if they run it for e.g. barry tho. We would have no players left.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Thing with FF it's hard to seperate out the personal.

 

On these sort of topics he makes it intrinsically personal by linking it to himself, and often his work.

 

I don't know Duncan, but like others I do find some of his rants a bit odd and irksome. The impression it gives is that of a petulant child throwing a tantrum every time he doesn't get what he wants from the club. There comes across a sense of entitlement that he should be treated like a god or some sort of hero for the work he does looking at Saints past. I respect what he does, but I don't really see why the club indulge all his whims.

 

Football clubs are not big friendly family members, nor should they be run as such. I want a Football Club that is as competitive as it can be, if it pandered to all the wishes of us, who let's face it are pretty clueless about running a club we would get nowhere. This isn't some small local business, Football clubs have massive turnovers and expenses, they are required to be run as companies.

 

Things may not be like they were back when, but stamping your feet and crying for the old days (through your rose tinted specs) just ent going to do much about it. I can't speak for those that followed Saints or football pre the Premier League, but I certainly in my life have seen nothing that shows any club any where being run for the fans. It seems like a fair few other posters, that were around before me say a similar thing too.

 

Anyway, surely the club should be run for the good of the club, not others outside the club? I don't know, maybe that's just crazy.

Edited 18 February, 2014 by KelvinsRightGlove

[ecuk268]

i would love it if they run it for me! We would have halftime strippers + free entry for u25 birds + topless stewards. I wouldn't like it if they run it for e.g. barry tho. We would have no players left.

 

The steward who wanders around the bit of the Chapel where I go has a job to get up the steps he's so fat. Wouldn't want to seem him with his top off.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

i would love it if they run it for me! We would have halftime strippers + free entry for u25 birds + topless stewards. I wouldn't like it if they run it for e.g. barry tho. We would have no players left.

 

Bearsy for CEO!!

[OldNick]

Thing with FF it's hard to seperate out the personal.

 

On these sort of topics he makes it intrinsically personal by linking it to himself, and often his work.

 

I don't know Duncan, but like others I do find some of his rants a bit odd and irksome. The impression it gives is that of a petulant child throwing a tantrum every time he doesn't get what he wants from the club. There comes across a sense of entitlement that he should be treated like a god or some sort of hero for the work he does looking at Saints past. I respect what he does, but I don't really see why the club indulge all his whims.

 

Football clubs are not big friendly family members, nor should they be run as such. I want a Football Club that is as competitive as it can be, if it pandered to all the wishes of us, who let's face it are pretty clueless about running a club we would get nowhere. This isn't some small local business, Football clubs have massive turnovers and expenses, they are required to be run as companies.

 

Things may not be like they were back when,

perfect post IMO

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Thing with FF it's hard to seperate out the personal.

 

On these sort of topics he makes it intrinsically personal by linking it to himself, and often his work.

 

I don't know Duncan, but like others I do find some of his rants a bit odd and irksome. The impression it gives is that of a petulant child throwing a tantrum every time he doesn't get what he wants from the club. There comes across a sense of entitlement that he should be treated like a god or some sort of hero for the work he does looking at Saints past. I respect what he does, but I don't really see why the club indulge all his whims.

 

Football clubs are not big friendly family members, nor should they be run as such. I want a Football Club that is as competitive as it can be, if it pandered to all the wishes of us, who let's face it are pretty clueless about running a club we would get nowhere. This isn't some small local business, Football clubs have massive turnovers and expenses, they are required to be run as companies.

 

Things may not be like they were back when,

 

Hi - you could not be further from the truth. I want nothing from the club over and above what I receive which is fair and in line with what was agreed some 10 years ago. Cortese abruptly reneged on that deal but to their credit the new regime mended the bridge. Great. As usual many on Saintsweb have not really read or understood what I have been banging on about, preferring instead to make personal attacks. They can do that because they know who I am. They all do it behind an anonymous cloak. Disagree with me fine but throwing personal remarks around at someone is akin sending a poison pen letter.

 

For the record Kelvin, at no stage have I said anything that was meant to be anti KL. I merely said I doubt whether she would be too bothered at our Cup exit, certainly not as bothered as the fans who went for instance. I have no idea what she intends to do with the club although whatever she decides it is her prerogative . My whole point in the OP was to highlight the fact that in this day and age the feelings, desires, expectations whatever you want to call it of the fans is no longer of much importance to those who own our football clubs. That is not a criticism of Ms Liebherr just a generalisation of why football is becoming broken.

 

Obviously that does not worry a large number of postees on here but it worries me, hence my post. The Liebherr family's purchase of the club was a good day for this club but it was an even better day for the Liebherr family. That is hardly a sacrilegious thing to say imo but it sure seems to have rattled a few conservative cages. Some people fear the boat being rocked.

 

And yes I have for once had a go back at a couple of posters, Viking Warrior and OldNick. In the context of what they said others deserved my venom much more but there is a bit of a "jump on the bandwagon ganging up mentality" on this forum and both men being decent people should not have joined in imo. It's like Alpine - every loves giving him a big kicking just because they don't like his views. I rarely agree with them but he deserves to say what he thinks without all the cyber bullying.

 

Much as I would like to stay active, I can't really see the point of contributing my views to this forum if it means my personal life or old job or whatever is brought into the equation. There is just not much fun in it. I enjoy much of this forum, there is some bloody good humour and sensible postees but I am buggered if I am going to lay myself open to the personal crap. I doubt many of you would to be fair.

 

Finally a word of thanks to Frank C. He and I - it is true - have rarely agreed on Saintly matters, but at least he had the guts and the decency to come on here and fight my corner a bit. If anyone wants me I will be on the Lounge where at least there is still a bit of fun and decorum. In the meantime will someone please look after Manji the nicest of them all and make sure he keeps taking the pills.

Edited 18 February, 2014 by Fitzhugh Fella

[buctootim]

I only skim read this thread an hour or so ago and assumed FF must have said something fairly offensive about KL to justify the reaction. If all he said was KL probably wasnt that bothered about the Cup exit - then the clamour in response is pretty pathetic.

[Smirking_Saint]

Thing with FF it's hard to seperate out the personal.

 

On these sort of topics he makes it intrinsically personal by linking it to himself, and often his work.

 

I don't know Duncan, but like others I do find some of his rants a bit odd and irksome. The impression it gives is that of a petulant child throwing a tantrum every time he doesn't get what he wants from the club. There comes across a sense of entitlement that he should be treated like a god or some sort of hero for the work he does looking at Saints past. I respect what he does, but I don't really see why the club indulge all his whims.

 

Football clubs are not big friendly family members, nor should they be run as such. I want a Football Club that is as competitive as it can be, if it pandered to all the wishes of us, who let's face it are pretty clueless about running a club we would get nowhere. This isn't some small local business, Football clubs have massive turnovers and expenses, they are required to be run as companies.

 

Things may not be like they were back when, but stamping your feet and crying for the old days (through your rose tinted specs) just ent going to do much about it. I can't speak for those that followed Saints or football pre the Premier League, but I certainly in my life have seen nothing that shows any club any where being run for the fans. It seems like a fair few other posters, that were around before me say a similar thing too.

 

Anyway, surely the club should be run for the good of the club, not others outside the club? I don't know, maybe that's just crazy.

 

Exactly this, as I said before on a previous thread.

 

Arguably the club has never been as competetive as an entity as it was under NC, people may find that hard to swallow, but its true. First and foremost Im a football fan, I pay my money to watch a competetive team with interesting players, and everything else come secondary to that. Ask any football fan and I reckon that over 80% will say the same.

 

So for me, not having Benali back, free parking and a personal letter stuck to my ST seat is bad, but a devolution of ability from a playing point of view is far more dissapointing.

 

Why ?

 

Because Im a football fan that supports a football club

[eelpie]

It was like that long before the Liebherrs were here just like most other clubs.

 

But without the Liebherr/Cortese business management skills (as we all painfully remember)

The days are gone in this country when clubs can survive in the top flight without hard nose big business finance, sadly.

 

My heart would love SFC to be a fan-based run club, but it ain't ever going to happen and it would be a disaster if it did.

 

Whether the KL (or future) regimes respond more to fans concerns is in the lap of the gods. Thank them/Him that Marcus had principles. Enjoy the Liebherr's ownership of SFC while they are still here.

[Charlie Wayman]

Time to smell the coffee. If it hadn't been for Marcus Liebherr and his mega millions there would be no club and no fans so saying that the club is no longer run for fans is idiotic.

[hypochondriac]

Time to smell the coffee. If it hadn't been for Marcus Liebherr and his mega millions there would be no club and no fans so saying that the club is no longer run for fans is idiotic.

 

 

Hate how often this lie is peddled.

[Smirking_Saint]

Hate how often this lie is peddled.

 

Yup

 

Whilst I agree with the sentiments and certainly liebherr money/Cortese ambition was easily the best outcome (well, realistically) we would never have gone under

[Barry Sanchez]

Time to smell the coffee. If it hadn't been for Marcus Liebherr and his mega millions there would be no club and no fans so saying that the club is no longer run for fans is idiotic.

 

I was under the impression that Cortese pointed Southampton out as a good investment and business opportunity and Leibherr's head was swayed by the fact we were historically a religious club and he was a man of faith himself,but the main factor was a great business opportunity.

[Viking Warrior]

Duncan

 

Keep contributing to the Forum you do post some excellent posts.

 

I think in my case I got caught up in the negativty that prevailed after Saturdays game , And there were a lot of negative threads

some I deliberatly avoid , your I thought was an interesting post and while I understood your rationale , I disagree with some of your sentiments. prehaps if you hadnt used such a provocative title , then I might of not said my two pence

 

Perhaps when Im next down we can have a pint or two

 

Mike

[aintforever]

I agree with what the opening post is saying but it is a pretty pointless thing to moan about.

 

The ONLY way for a club like us to have any sort of success in today's game is with a stinking rich owner and by default they can do whatever they want, just like Chelsea and City's owners can.

 

We are an irrelevance but that is the only way unless you have a Jack Walker type owner. As we don't, we either have what we have now or the constant threat or relegation and financial meltdown - I know what I would prefer every time.