A season that held so much promise...

[CB Fry]

Troll on sunshine...have you taken your foot out of your mouth yet? Why don't you try finding something intelligent to say like Frank eh? I mean, you don't have to agree - that's fine, but you're really not doing yourself any favours acting like that. PS: I'll give you a clue - I couldn't care less about Cortese IF the team and the club in general continue to be successful. I know that doesn't fit with your warped mind, but that's the facts bud. LOL

 

Frank saying something intelligent? Where's that then? Just a reheat of the age old "Cortese got us from League 1 to the Premier League therefore he would have delivered Champions League because everything he promised he delivered".

 

Well that was painfully obvious nonsense eighteen months ago when me and others said it won't pan out like that. Of course I get accused of trolling but look around you. I was right.

 

And tell you what son. I'll carry on supporting Saints whatever the hell happens, I don't need some capital letter IF demanding success like a toddler screaming for a lollypop.

 

What IF the club don't "continue to be successful"? What then? Will you cry? Boo hoo.

[Turkish]

Troll on sunshine...have you taken your foot out of your mouth yet? Why don't you try finding something intelligent to say like Frank eh? I mean, you don't have to agree - that's fine, but you're really not doing yourself any favours acting like that. PS: I'll give you a clue - I couldn't care less about Cortese IF the team and the club in general continue to be successful. I know that doesn't fit with your warped mind, but that's the facts bud. LOL

 

Are you aiming for some kind of mong-board Pulitzers Prize?!? This ^ completely...you're on a roll Frank. Such a shame CB has no comprehension of...well...anything seemingly. LOL

 

So you have some form of proof that KL dipped into her handbag and funded Lovren personally right? Come on...spill the beans and tell us all about this wonderful personal gift bestowed on the club by KL because she wanted to interfere! LOL...I bet you'll have some lame excuse why you can't prove a thing. Think back - was Lovren brought into the club before or after Cortese left?

 

And you can bait me as much you like with typical internet warrior words - I couldn't give a monkeys tit. BTW can't say I've ever heard of a Cult of Cortese, but if it did exist it would probably be highly successful - intelligent people do that kind of thing. LOL

 

Is putting 'LOL' on the end of everything you say the kind of thing highly intelligent people do too? just it seems the people that do that are utter saps that update their Facebook status 15 times a day in text speak.

[Hamilton Saint]

Alpine, you said the season is over. So you can stop posting now. Come back in July.

[alpine_saint]

I think it's how he actually feels. Frustration and negativity more than troll TBF.

 

Exactly.

 

Its good that some people can tell the difference and not indulge in lazy name-calling.

[Wes Tender]

Frank saying something intelligent? Where's that then? Just a reheat of the age old "Cortese got us from League 1 to the Premier League therefore he would have delivered Champions League because everything he promised he delivered".

 

 

Frank has a far better record of saying something intelligent than you. He's always capable of debating a point rationally and with consideration towards others and has the humility to admit that he will be happy to hold his hands up if proven wrong.

 

You're the master of looking down your nose at other posters who hold opinions that don't align with yours and usually have to twist those opinions in a vain attempt to make them look stupid and make you look clever by default.

 

We have a prime example right here:-

 

Cortese got us from League 1 to the Premier League therefore he would have delivered Champions League because everything he promised he delivered".

 

As far as I'm aware, nobody has concluded that because NC had delivered the progress that he had so far, that it would follow that he would have got us into the Champions League, although it was his ambition. What Frank actually said was

 

We also know that to date Cortese had delivered on the expected targets, so one could be forgiven for thinking he might continue to deliver... Even though the probability of doing so diminishes the more competitive the league gets?

 

An intelligent reader of that post would have picked up the nuances implied by words and phrases such as "one could be forgiven for thinking", "he might" "even though" and "probability"

 

But I can see why they went right over your head.

[Frank's cousin]

Frank saying something intelligent? Where's that then? Just a reheat of the age old "Cortese got us from League 1 to the Premier League therefore he would have delivered Champions League because everything he promised he delivered".

 

Well that was painfully obvious nonsense eighteen months ago when me and others said it won't pan out like that. Of course I get accused of trolling but look around you. I was right.

 

And tell you what son. I'll carry on supporting Saints whatever the hell happens, I don't need some capital letter IF demanding success like a toddler screaming for a lollypop.

 

What IF the club don't "continue to be successful"? What then? Will you cry? Boo hoo.

 

CB, you know, you really should try and read/ understand what is being said before jumping to such sweeping conclusions - as was made clear in numerous posts, it's not 'demanding success' or crying if it's not achieved...as I suspect you know. There are only a few trophies and plenty of clubs so even great teams miss out... It's all about having a belief that success is possible. Otherwise what is the point of sport? It's no surprise to me that the vast majority Saints fans, most of whom had never known Saints outside the top tier, thoroughly enjoyed the L1 and Latter Championship seasons, because it was about being competitive and in with a shout of winning something.

 

Tell me what is so great if you have to accept no better than 8th at the start of a season? It's not about how realistic that may or not be (probability)... Supporting is NOT about probability, only betting punters give a SHIETE about that, no , supporting is about POSSIBILITY of success. I will always support Saints through whatever, but I can't say I will enjoy it as much if our owners don't inspire, if they seem to accept mediocrity as the best we can achieve and that this filters down to players who leave at the earliest opportunity.... It's not about being an apologist or sycophant when it comes to NC... He had many well documented faults.... But he did one thing that we had not seen in a chairman at Saints during any part if the premiership years... Aspired to be better than 'traditional wisdom said was our place... 'Not IF, but HOW' - whether it would have been realised is not the point ... ' it's not reaching the top that is important, but the attempt'. NC was about the attempt... No matter how naive, how improbable, or unrealistic , it did not matter, what is good, is the aspiration shown to try.

[Sour Mash]

CB, you know, you really should try and read/ understand what is being said before jumping to such sweeping conclusions - as was made clear in numerous posts, it's not 'demanding success' or crying if it's not achieved...as I suspect you know. There are only a few trophies and plenty of clubs so even great teams miss out... It's all about having a belief that success is possible. Otherwise what is the point of sport? It's no surprise to me that the vast majority Saints fans, most of whom had never known Saints outside the top tier, thoroughly enjoyed the L1 and Latter Championship seasons, because it was about being competitive and in with a shout of winning something.

 

Tell me what is so great if you have to accept no better than 8th at the start of a season? It's not about how realistic that may or not be (probability)... Supporting is NOT about probability, only betting punters give a SHIETE about that, no , supporting is about POSSIBILITY of success. I will always support Saints through whatever, but I can't say I will enjoy it as much if our owners don't inspire, if they seem to accept mediocrity as the best we can achieve and that this filters down to players who leave at the earliest opportunity.... It's not about being an apologist or sycophant when it comes to NC... He had many well documented faults.... But he did one thing that we had not seen in a chairman at Saints during any part if the premiership years... Aspired to be better than 'traditional wisdom said was our place... 'Not IF, but HOW' - whether it would have been realised is not the point ... ' it's not reaching the top that is important, but the attempt'. NC was about the attempt... No matter how naive, how improbable, or unrealistic , it did not matter, what is good, is the aspiration shown to try.

So Grimsby's Chief Executive should talk about their aspiration for Champions League football?

[Frank's cousin]

So Grimsby's Chief Executive should talk about their aspiration for Champions League football?

 

 

.... Jeez.... Can't believe I need to answer this, or that you even posed the question. Grimsby's top brass should be aspiring to get promoted.... And if eventually they got established in the top division then why not aspire to the top competition?

[Sour Mash]

.... Jeez.... Can't believe I need to answer this' date=' or that you even posed the question. Grimsby's top brass should be aspiring to get promoted.... And if eventually they got established in the top division then why not aspire to the top competition?[/quote'] Ok, if not Grimsby, how about Crystal Palace or Cardiff? Why don't you enjoy finishing 8th much?

[CB Fry]

Frank has a far better record of saying something intelligent than you. He's always capable of debating a point rationally and with consideration towards others and has the humility to admit that he will be happy to hold his hands up if proven wrong.

 

You're the master of looking down your nose at other posters who hold opinions that don't align with yours and usually have to twist those opinions in a vain attempt to make them look stupid and make you look clever by default.

 

We have a prime example right here:-

 

 

 

As far as I'm aware, nobody has concluded that because NC had delivered the progress that he had so far, that it would follow that he would have got us into the Champions League, although it was his ambition. What Frank actually said was

 

 

 

An intelligent reader of that post would have picked up the nuances implied by words and phrases such as "one could be forgiven for thinking", "he might" "even though" and "probability"

 

But I can see why they went right over your head.

 

What seems to have gone over your head is the fact that Frank uses layer upon layer of equivocal "...but on the other hand" vagueness in every 300 word arse aching post he writes. I'm trying to cut through and get what his actual point is. Frank doesn't do "nuance", just have it all ways nothingness.

 

And if you seriously believe no one on this forum has ever used the line of argument that "Cortese took us up two divisions, so why can't he take into the Champions league? " or "well, noone would have believed four years ago that we would have....so why can't we believe that..." a heck of a lot of this forum has gone over your head, sunshine.

 

Flip me, you even quote captain nuance saying it. "You could be forgiven for believing. .."

 

It's all going over your head, sweetheart.

[CB Fry]

CB, you know, you really should try and read/ understand what is being said before jumping to such sweeping conclusions - as was made clear in numerous posts, it's not 'demanding success' or crying if it's not achieved...as I suspect you know. There are only a few trophies and plenty of clubs so even great teams miss out... It's all about having a belief that success is possible. Otherwise what is the point of sport? It's no surprise to me that the vast majority Saints fans, most of whom had never known Saints outside the top tier, thoroughly enjoyed the L1 and Latter Championship seasons, because it was about being competitive and in with a shout of winning something.

 

Tell me what is so great if you have to accept no better than 8th at the start of a season? It's not about how realistic that may or not be (probability)... Supporting is NOT about probability, only betting punters give a SHIETE about that, no , supporting is about POSSIBILITY of success. I will always support Saints through whatever, but I can't say I will enjoy it as much if our owners don't inspire, if they seem to accept mediocrity as the best we can achieve and that this filters down to players who leave at the earliest opportunity.... It's not about being an apologist or sycophant when it comes to NC... He had many well documented faults.... But he did one thing that we had not seen in a chairman at Saints during any part if the premiership years... Aspired to be better than 'traditional wisdom said was our place... 'Not IF, but HOW' - whether it would have been realised is not the point ... ' it's not reaching the top that is important, but the attempt'. NC was about the attempt... No matter how naive, how improbable, or unrealistic , it did not matter, what is good, is the aspiration shown to try.

 

So 8th in the Prem - something our club has done a grand total of zero fu cking times in the last decade - is not success to you. It is to me matey.

 

And presumably the aspiration for Saints for you next year is for us to win the league and both cups, yes?

 

Or are you applying arbitrary glass ceilings on your "possibilty" routine? But yours - some vague undefined non commital (Frank classic) success - is right, but mine: top ten every season and try and get to Wembley and Europa League - is wrong?

[Turkish]

.... Jeez.... Can't believe I need to answer this' date=' or that you even posed the question. Grimsby's top brass should be aspiring to get promoted.... And if eventually they got established in the top division then why not aspire to the top competition?[/quote']

 

I think you should Francis. Reading your posts on the subject it seems to me that it matters not if you actually make it or not, but it's all about talking a good game and being told what you want to hear. So if the Grimsby chairman 'shoots for the moon' and says they're going for the champions league and how they are going to do it, that talk would be amazing and fantastic. It won't matter if they only finish 6th in l2 as long as their chairman gobs off a bit about what they are going to do, right?

[Turkish]

Mates with a couple go Sunderland fans in Facebook. They literally cannot wait until Sunday. Such a shame so many of our fans thought the league cup was beneath us.

[Dalek2003]

Jeez, once again you've managed to hit the nail on head once again. CB unfortunately thinks too simply to see any kind of big picture.

 

He can also never accept he is wrong and doesn't understand other opinions. In short he is a 'troll' of the highest order.

[Saint Billy]

Mates with a couple go Sunderland fans in Facebook. They literally cannot wait until Sunday. Such a shame so many of our fans thought the league cup was beneath us.

 

And they are in the 6th round of the FA cup............ losers!

[Wes Tender]

What seems to have gone over your head is the fact that Frank uses layer upon layer of equivocal "...but on the other hand" vagueness in every 300 word arse aching post he writes. I'm trying to cut through and get what his actual point is. Frank doesn't do "nuance", just have it all ways nothingness.

 

And if you seriously believe no one on this forum has ever used the line of argument that "Cortese took us up two divisions, so why can't he take into the Champions league? " or "well, noone would have believed four years ago that we would have....so why can't we believe that..." a heck of a lot of this forum has gone over your head, sunshine.

 

Flip me, you even quote captain nuance saying it. "You could be forgiven for believing. .."

 

It's all going over your head, sweetheart.

 

I appreciate that you have a short attention span, but that doesn't mean that Frank has to precis down his thoughts just so that you can grasp it; I expect that most others are fine with it. If he bores you, don't read his posts.

 

Achievements so far since ML and Cortese arrived are perfectly valid reasons for some to have raised expectations of future accomplishments, to harbour dreams of greater things. Most talk cautiously of the possible, rather than the probable.

 

And you state that Frank doesn't do nuance and then christen him Captain Nuance. Or is that you trying to be ironic, duckie?

[CB Fry]

I appreciate that you have a short attention span, but that doesn't mean that Frank has to precis down his thoughts just so that you can grasp it; I expect that most others are fine with it. If he bores you, don't read his posts.

 

Achievements so far since ML and Cortese arrived are perfectly valid reasons for some to have raised expectations of future accomplishments, to harbour dreams of greater things. Most talk cautiously of the possible, rather than the probable.

 

And you state that Frank doesn't do nuance and then christen him Captain Nuance. Or is that you trying to be ironic, duckie?

 

I am amazed that such a scholar of nuance and interminably long forum posts such as you still needs little old me to explain my posts to him. Tell you what Les, get Frank to explain it to you: he'll give you a snappy 800 word reply, perfect for your oh - so - long attention span.

 

Anyway, clearly progress with you today. At least you do accept people saying exactly what I said they did, despite you suggesting no one did only a couple of posts before. Apology accepted.

 

 

And back on topic. Ambition is great. Top ten for the next ten years is massive ambition. I doubt we'll achieve it, but I'd love to see us try, especially as it will give us a platform to go for cups and Europe.

Ambition. Right there.

 

Us being a Champions League club and turning over the established order of world football (or whatever Lord Nuance of Subtleshire was droning on about) is not ambition. Just infantile day dreaming.

 

It was never going to happen and it isn't happening.

 

Those of us with the attention span and savvy enough to see beyond a couple of quotes on a Sky Sports interview could see that clear as day. You want to pay more attention sunshine....forget revelling in nuance and give the big picture a try.

[Tamesaint]

I am amazed that such a scholar of nuance and interminably long forum posts such as you still needs little old me to explain my posts to him. Tell you what Les, get Frank to explain it to you: he'll give you a snappy 800 word reply, perfect for your oh - so - long attention span.

 

Anyway, clearly progress with you today. At least you do accept people saying exactly what I said they did, despite you suggesting no one did only a couple of posts before. Apology accepted.

 

 

And back on topic. Ambition is great. Top ten for the next ten years is massive ambition. I doubt we'll achieve it, but I'd love to see us try, especially as it will give us a platform to go for cups and Europe.

Ambition. Right there.

 

Us being a Champions League club and turning over the established order of world football (or whatever Lord Nuance of Subtleshire was droning on about) is not ambition. Just infantile day dreaming.

 

It was never going to happen and it isn't happening.

 

Those of us with the attention span and savvy enough to see beyond a couple of quotes on a Sky Sports interview could see that clear as day. You want to pay more attention sunshine....forget revelling in nuance and give the big picture a try.

 

If this doesn't earn a few mong board infraction points for needless, pointless sarcasm and general unpleasantness than nothing will.

Edited 1 March, 2014 by Tamesaint

[Dalek2003]

If this doesn't earn a few mong board infraction points for needless, pointless sarcasm and general unpleasantness than nothing will.

 

You can always put him on ignore if he irritates you that much. I find CB Fry a minor irritant and some of his views laughable. I will warn you CB Fry does not do other people having an opinion.

[Saint Fan CaM]

If this doesn't earn a few mong board infraction points for needless, pointless sarcasm and general unpleasantness than nothing will.

 

Don't hold your breath...mongboards thrive off the likes of CB and so you'll not see him getting infracted anytime soon despite his vitriolic bad tempered posts.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Is putting 'LOL' on the end of everything you say the kind of thing highly intelligent people do too? just it seems the people that do that are utter saps that update their Facebook status 15 times a day in text speak.

 

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for Turkish to bite. See what I've learnt from the mongboard trolls such as you and your alter-ego CB is that to get noticed on here you've got to come up with an irritating hook that winds the trolls up. My little experiment worked...thanks for confirming that. LOL (experiment over now).

Edited 1 March, 2014 by Saint Fan CaM

[Saint Fan CaM]

So Grimsby's Chief Executive should talk about their aspiration for Champions League football?

 

Sorry, I missed something there...when did Grimsby reach the Prem with back to back promotions, invest heavily in a first class academy and court the attention of top FA officials in relation to the manner in which the club was being run?

[Wes Tender]

Don't hold your breath...mongboards thrive off the likes of CB and so you'll not see him getting infracted anytime soon despite his vitriolic bad tempered posts.

 

He was probably bullied at school and this is his way to make himself feel good about himself.

 

I don't need to place him on ignore, as he is the fount of so much amusement, the very personification of Mr. Angry.

 

And here is yet another perfect example of him reading into a response what he wants to, to enforce some feeble argument of his:-

 

CB Fry

And if you seriously believe no one on this forum has ever used the line of argument that "Cortese took us up two divisions, so why can't he take into the Champions league? " or "well, noone would have believed four years ago that we would have....so why can't we believe that..."

 

Wes Tender:

Achievements so far since ML and Cortese arrived are perfectly valid reasons for some to have raised expectations of future accomplishments, to harbour dreams of greater things. Most talk cautiously of the possible, rather than the probable.

 

Apparently in his mind what I said above means exactly the same as what he said. :lol: (just to annoy CB's bosom buddy)

[Saint Fan CaM]

So 8th in the Prem - something our club has done a grand total of zero fu cking times in the last decade - is not success to you. It is to me matey.

 

And presumably the aspiration for Saints for you next year is for us to win the league and both cups, yes?

 

Or are you applying arbitrary glass ceilings on your "possibilty" routine? But yours - some vague undefined non commital (Frank classic) success - is right, but mine: top ten every season and try and get to Wembley and Europa League - is wrong?

 

OK CB, lets get to the bottom of this. You're really angry because the likes of Frank, myself and a few others on here were optimistic that the success NC brought to the club to date MIGHT one day in the future also bring us a top 6 place and Champions league football? Is that correct?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

You can always put him on ignore if he irritates you that much. I find CB Fry a minor irritant and some of his views laughable. I will warn you CB Fry does not do other people having an opinion.

 

That must go down as one of your best posts Dalek for its complete truth content.

[CB Fry]

OK CB, lets get to the bottom of this. You're really angry because the likes of Frank, myself and a few others on here were optimistic that the success NC brought to the club to date MIGHT one day in the future also bring us a top 6 place and Champions league football? Is that correct?

 

That must go down as one of your best posts Dalek for its complete truth content.

 

So our two posters who revelled in the fact we limped out of the cup by mocking other fans for being disappointed minutes after the final whistle are having a pop at me. Bless your lickle trolling hearts.

[CB Fry]

OK CB, lets get to the bottom of this. You're really angry because the likes of Frank, myself and a few others on here were optimistic that the success NC brought to the club to date MIGHT one day in the future also bring us a top 6 place and Champions league football? Is that correct?

 

People can hope what they like. But it hasn't happened and it was never going to.

 

I'm not angry about people's hopes but I am not going to have tedious lectures about probable/possible/etc etc when it boils down to far simpler themes.

 

People swallowed the pie in the sky stuff from our tiny Italian wizard of Oz, greedily maneuvering for more of the dead man's cash. Some didn't. And those that didn't were spot on.

 

You lot can keep rabbiting on about probably/possible horses hit till the cows come home. Fill your boots.

 

Boo hoo. Our chief executive has gone and all our dreams are over. Boo hoo.

Edited 1 March, 2014 by CB Fry

[Dalek2003]

That must go down as one of your best posts Dalek for its complete truth content.

 

Glad you agree.

[Sour Mash]

Sorry, I missed something there...when did Grimsby reach the Prem with back to back promotions, invest heavily in a first class academy and court the attention of top FA officials in relation to the manner in which the club was being run?

Yes, you did miss something.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

That must go down as one of your best posts Dalek for its complete truth content.

 

OK CB, lets get to the bottom of this. You're really angry because the likes of Frank, myself and a few others on here were optimistic that the success NC brought to the club to date MIGHT one day in the future also bring us a top 6 place and Champions league football? Is that correct?

 

So our two posters who revelled in the fact we limped out of the cup by mocking other fans for being disappointed minutes after the final whistle are having a pop at me. Bless your lickle trolling hearts.

Yet this post should be put down as one of the complete opposite as it has a zero truth content

but that is standard from Fry...

Should i put him on ignore? perhaps as im sure it would grate with him in the fact that i would not be able to view

his next childish gibberish...

[Dalek2003]

People can hope what they like. But it hasn't happened and it was never going to.

 

I'm not angry about people's hopes but I am not going to have tedious lectures about probable/possible/etc etc when it boils down to far simpler themes.

 

People swallowed the pie in the sky stuff from our tiny Italian wizard of Oz, greedily maneuvering for more of the dead man's cash. Some didn't. And those that didn't were spot on.

 

You lot can keep rabbiting on about probably/possible horses it till the cows come home. Fill your boots.

 

Boo hoo. Our chief executive has gone and all our dreams are over. Boo hoo.

 

The future of the club will probably become clear once the League programme is completed. In the meantime I am determined to enjoy the next 11 games, pushing as high up as we can and (barring an extrordinary set of events), free from the fear of relegation.

[Saint Billy]

OK CB, lets get to the bottom of this. You're really angry because the likes of Frank, myself and a few others on here were optimistic that the success NC brought to the club to date MIGHT one day in the future also bring us a top 6 place and Champions league football? Is that correct?

 

I am happy with being safe in the prem. I am also happy with whom ever is running the club having high expectations.

 

What I am not happy with is all that rhetoric going out the window when handed a golden opportunity to actually win something namely the FA cup especially when we are pretty much safe in the prem and nothing else to play for.

 

I believe that is what has caused all the negativity on here and certainly has in my case. Oh so NC was gone by then which begs the question, are all his big plans for the club now foegotten?

[mitch01]

I for one still think this has been an immensely exciting season. Young, vibrant english players, more looking to come through and money still in place to strengthen from abroad. We can keep progressing, just hope we keep Shaw a bit longer and MP long-term.

[Barry Sanchez]

I for one still think this has been an immensely exciting season. Young, vibrant english players, more looking to come through and money still in place to strengthen from abroad. We can keep progressing, just hope we keep Shaw a bit longer and MP long-term.

 

Why would Shaw stay?

The same goes for Lallana, Schneiderlin and possibly Rodriguez?

[Saint_Tony]

Shaw will go, at least we know we'll be getting a decent fee of £20 million +. Can see the others staying, J Rod's not good enough (yet) to move to a better club

[Saint Fan CaM]

I am happy with being safe in the prem. I am also happy with whom ever is running the club having high expectations.

 

What I am not happy with is all that rhetoric going out the window when handed a golden opportunity to actually win something namely the FA cup especially when we are pretty much safe in the prem and nothing else to play for.

 

I believe that is what has caused all the negativity on here and certainly has in my case. Oh so NC was gone by then which begs the question, are all his big plans for the club now foegotten?

 

Yep, I'm of the same opinion in terms of being happy with our progress to date. You have posed a very valid question - will the same level of high expectation carry on with the new regime? Who knows - the first test will be in the summer I suspect.

 

As far as negativity following the Cup exit is concerned, I think we need to break that down into two parts - (a) did the Manager/Club/Team throw the match or was it a case of a decent squad of players playing a gash game of football against a side who know wanted it more? (I blame the players), (b) in the bigger scheme of things, utilising an already depleted and thin squad on a Cup run when it is known that a good proportion may be needed in Brazil might be considered the wrong move. (I don't agree that our season ended when the Cup run ended and thinking otherwise is IMHO short-sighted).

[Saint Fan CaM]

Yes, you did miss something.

 

And that was...?

[Saint Fan CaM]

People can hope what they like. But it hasn't happened and it was never going to.

 

I'm not angry about people's hopes but I am not going to have tedious lectures about probable/possible/etc etc when it boils down to far simpler themes.

 

People swallowed the pie in the sky stuff from our tiny Italian wizard of Oz, greedily maneuvering for more of the dead man's cash. Some didn't. And those that didn't were spot on.

 

You lot can keep rabbiting on about probably/possible horses hit till the cows come home. Fill your boots.

 

Boo hoo. Our chief executive has gone and all our dreams are over. Boo hoo.

 

No, you just can't see past the red mist can you. Your visionary disclosure of the future had NC stayed is impressive - "it was never going to" - wow, can you give me the lottery numbers for tonight please? What are the "far simpler themes" then? Come on...we're waiting to hear what you have to say on the matter...who knows, you might bring us around to your view with a well constructed thought process of your own (rather than trying to offend at every opportunity).

 

I tell you what - at the end of the summer, when we're about to embark on next season's campaign based on the new regimes actions, let's review the situation again. It's a kind of win-win...if the new regime provides the same or better results on the pitch then we'll all be content - well I will for one.

[Goatboy]

Why would Shaw stay?

The same goes for Lallana, Schneiderlin and possibly Rodriguez?

 

Shaw, Lallana and Rodriquez have all had their best season to date, playing their way into the England squad. Why leave? More money to sit on the bench somewhere?

[Window Cleaner]

Shaw, Lallana and Rodriquez have all had their best season to date, playing their way into the England squad. Why leave? More money to sit on the bench somewhere?

 

 

European football, the next step along the path for all ambitious players. To some of us it means nothing, for some players it means everything because it represents a linear progression.

[CB Fry]

No, you just can't see past the red mist can you. Your visionary disclosure of the future had NC stayed is impressive - "it was never going to" - wow, can you give me the lottery numbers for tonight please? What are the "far simpler themes" then? Come on...we're waiting to hear what you have to say on the matter...who knows, you might bring us around to your view with a well constructed thought process of your own (rather than trying to offend at every opportunity).

 

I tell you what - at the end of the summer, when we're about to embark on next season's campaign based on the new regimes actions, let's review the situation again. It's a kind of win-win...if the new regime provides the same or better results on the pitch then we'll all be content - well I will for one.

 

What red mist? Just seeing what you want to see.

 

Hilarious lottery gag, like, just so clever of you. We were never going to become a Champions League club. If you think predicting that obvious outcome is as complex as predicting the flamin' lottery then I am sorry that you are actually that dim.

 

To you last point, review what "situation" on what terms? What will be, will be, and I'll support us anyway. I won't be pining for some Italian in a suit, whatever happens.

 

And being that you take huge joy from mocking those who want us to win stuff and progress into European football I struggle to conceive what you want from your club anyway.

[Goatboy]

European football, the next step along the path for all ambitious players. To some of us it means nothing, for some players it means everything because it represents a linear progression.

 

So is sitting on the bench in Europe a step forward?

[Batman]

So is sitting on the bench in Europe a step forward?

 

if shaw moved. why would he be on the bench ?

[SaintSteve]

if shaw moved. why would he be on the bench ?

 

Perhaps because he still has a lot to learn... and if he goes to Chelsea he will share LB role with Azpilicueta and possibly Cole. he won't be a guaranteed starter at Stamford Bridge for sure

[Window Cleaner]

So is sitting on the bench in Europe a step forward?

 

 

It's where most of the secondary players get most of their games actually, particularly in the early rounds of competitions.

We'll just have to see where we are with our structure come June and July.

[Goatboy]

if shaw moved. why would he be on the bench ?

 

Do you think he would be playing as regularly as he is at Saints?

I take your point though. Maybe he will be first choice at a new club next season and performing on the European stage.

Personally, I think he had an average start to the season and has got steadily more consistent. I think his right foot is woeful and he needs to get to the byline more often. His shooting could not be much worse and he is injury prone.

Apart from this, top player.

If I was advising him I would say: "Get your head down, concentrate on your football and train hard. You are 18 years old and have a lot of time to improve. You are the number 1 left back in a young side that is being recognized and appreciated by the national coach. Sort your hair out and give twitter a miss."

[KelvinsRightGlove]

If I was advising him I would say: "Get your head down, concentrate on your football and train hard. You are 18 years old and have a lot of time to improve. You are the number 1 left back in a young side that is being recognized and appreciated by the national coach. Sort your hair out and give twitter a miss."

 

Solid advice

[Window Cleaner]

Do you think he would be playing as regularly as he is at Saints?

I take your point though. Maybe he will be first choice at a new club next season and performing on the European stage.

Personally, I think he had an average start to the season and has got steadily more consistent. I think his right foot is woeful and he needs to get to the byline more often. His shooting could not be much worse and he is injury prone.

Apart from this, top player.

If I was advising him I would say: "Get your head down, concentrate on your football and train hard. You are 18 years old and have a lot of time to improve. You are the number 1 left back in a young side that is being recognized and appreciated by the national coach. Sort your hair out and give twitter a miss."

 

If he's faced with Sterling today we might get an idea of just how much progression Shaw still needs to make. I thought he was p*ss poor against West Ham, not worse than Chambers mind you but poor all the same. He's not the best defensive LB in the PL (yet) that's for sure. Still think Cole will get the nod ahead of him for the WC.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

If he's faced with Sterling today we might get an idea of just how much progression Shaw still needs to make. I thought he was p*ss poor against West Ham, not worse than Chambers mind you but poor all the same. He's not the best defensive LB in the PL (yet) that's for sure. Still think Cole will get the nod ahead of him for the WC.

 

Not aiming this at you, as I agree he needs to progress still.

 

But that is the point, it's easy to forget he is 18. Of course he will have poor games/runs of form from time to time - and of course he needs to get better. He is however, at a very good level at the minute though.

 

Some people do seem to forget this at times, myself included. We can't expect too much from him just yet, even if he does at times exceed expectations of your average 18 year old. I still find his strength and resilience very impressive for his age.

 

Hope he stays, he can easily afford to have another 1/2/3 seasons with us, being first choice and improving whilst playing in the Premier League & England. He can then leave at 19/20/21 (hopefully) a very established player, with still time to improve, and plenty of time to be competing for trophies.

 

Obviously I hope he stays with us his entire career and wins trophies with Saints, though I accept that may not be realistic - but hey a fan can hope right?

 

I'm not totally sold on the idea he is certain to leave this summer if I'm honest.

[Goatboy]

Not aiming this at you, as I agree he needs to progress still.

 

But that is the point, it's easy to forget he is 18. Of course he will have poor games/runs of form from time to time - and of course he needs to get better. He is however, at a very good level at the minute though.

 

Some people do seem to forget this at times, myself included. We can't expect too much from him just yet, even if he does at times exceed expectations of your average 18 year old. I still find his strength and resilience very impressive for his age.

 

Hope he stays, he can easily afford to have another 1/2/3 seasons with us, being first choice and improving whilst playing in the Premier League & England. He can then leave at 19/20/21 (hopefully) a very established player, with still time to improve, and plenty of time to be competing for trophies.

 

Obviously I hope he stays with us his entire career and wins trophies with Saints, though I accept that may not be realistic - but hey a fan can hope right?

 

I'm not totally sold on the idea he is certain to leave this summer if I'm honest.

 

Agree with this.

Also, if he does stay for 1/2/3 seasons, his value is only going to go one way.