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Well at least Morrison won't be playing for them, loaned to QPR.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste

 

Off topic but this is a interesting article here about Morrison and the dealings at WH,never really liked BFS or Nolan this has made me dislike them even more.

If true and he is keen to get his head down anyone fancy Morrison in the summer?

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste

 

Off topic but this is a interesting article here about Morrison and the dealings at WH,never really liked BFS or Nolan this has made me dislike them even more.

If true and he is keen to get his head down anyone fancy Morrison in the summer?

So you know how much truth there is in that story and what has really happened? Not a fan of Allardyce or Nolan either, but Morrison has had plenty of problems in the past, so who knows what's happened.
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Maybe the naughty dog with the bank account in Monaco tapped him up and suggested that QPR was the place to be when it came to agents.;)

 

They are all as bad as each other.:rolleyes:

 

Not sure I would sign Ravel Morrison (OTTERY ST MARY RESERVES HAVE BETTER PLAYERS).............Maybe he will get a good agent...Arry Boy...settle down and become the star his potential suggests

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I went paintballing yesterday. I wont be telling my grand children about that either but I found it quite exciting.

 

It's really quite saddening seeing some of them comments on here recently. I remember being on the pitch after we beat Walsall on the last day of League 1 and the delight shared by the whole stadium at being back in the Championship, so we would have a shot at getting back into the big time. Now we're here and suddenly the place is full of brats saying the last 12 games of the season are pointless because we don't have a cup final to tell our grandkids about.

 

I fully understand the frustration, if I went to Sunderland on Saturday I would be livid and demanding my money back. However there are still 12 games left to play in the best League in the world, playing excellent football with no pressure or threat of relegation. Last year we would have killed to be in this position.

 

Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.

 

Post of the month. I'm just thrilled to be in the Prem. I'm also baffled by the mentality of FA Cup QF spot = FA Cup Final.

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Post of the month. I'm just thrilled to be in the Prem. I'm also baffled by the mentality of FA Cup QF spot = FA Cup Final.
So you're just thrilled to be in the Premier League, regardless of whether we're 8th or 18th? No-one has stated the the FA Cup QFs = the Final, so it's not surprising you find that baffling.
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I'm very happy to be in the top half of the Prem, with 'nothing to play for'. Shame that we f***ed up at Sunderland but it's hardly the end of the world.

 

I'd like to finish 7th as it would be our highest Premier League position... and higher than any other South Coast Club managed in the Prem.

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I'm very happy to be in the top half of the Prem, with 'nothing to play for'. Shame that we f***ed up at Sunderland but it's hardly the end of the world.

 

I'd like to finish 7th as it would be our highest Premier League position... and higher than any other South Coast Club managed in the Prem.

 

in 2008 Pompey finished 8th with 57 points (and losses of £23m for the previous financial year I think). 5 wins, 4 draws, 3 defeats would see us top that.

 

Ordinarily I wouldn't care but that should keep us mildly entertained for the rest of the season.

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This is the first year for ages that we have been in the top league and not filled with anxiety about relegation and looking with envy at mid table security now we've got mid table security and some fans are moaning, baffles me, they must have short memories or be newcomers. I've been through all the ups and downs since the war and for me this is the best season, the best spirit and the best management I've known since Ted Bates' lot led by Terry Paine got out of the old third divisionand started the revival. And the current squad beats any. How can people still moan, they must be ill.

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I think you will find many people have been caught up in the hype generated by the media,they genuinely believe we are CL contenders and should of at least done the double (FA,Carling cup) .

They need to remember that we are a work in progress,if we do manage to get into Europe this season,unless we invest massively in 5-6 players we could well find ourselves in a tight spot next season,just look at Newcastle and Swansea and how they have/did struggle badly domestically from those European games.

I would be happy if we can hold onto our players and build on that and aim for Europe in 2-3 seasons time

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FFS. A lot of condescending crap being spouted here. Just because we are pissed off at MP for unnecessarily fielding a weakened team against Sunderland's reserves, and throwing away a golden opportunity to have a good chance at our 2nd trophy in 100+ years, doesn't mean we're not thrilled to be in 8th in the PL, not enjoying the great football being playing (with our bloody first choice team), haven't forgotten where we were just a few years ago, and are not wanting to see the team win every game of football.

 

This shrugging of shoulders, jolly bad luck to have been dumped out but let's move on, no big deal attitude, just gives free rein to MP and the rest of the Saints management to repeat their actions next time. If enough of the fans vent their fury at the totally unnecessary capitulation, maybe, just maybe, they'll think twice about doing it again (assuming no relegation or CL issues are at stake).

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OMG I am going to agree with Dalek. Really beggars belief some of the pathetic crap written on this forum about season being over. What ever happened to wanting to see the team win every game of football, to put one over on our rivals (i.e. every one of the 19 teams in our division) and just enjoying individual games. It has hardly ever been about winning a competition whether that is league or cup, that is just the icing on the cake when individual games go well.The season is not over, I'm looking forward to beating the Scousers again, beating Wet Sham an their pathetic football ethic, and putting one over the mancs on the last day of the season. Would the same people on here who are moaning about season being over be saying the same if we were playing the Skates at St Mary's next week? And if we manage to get up to 6th (still possible) then that would be nice, but its not the be all and end all of the season.

 

I really cannot believe some of the negative posts on here !! We are 8th, yes 8th in the Premiership !! We have everything to play for including a strong finish to the season driving us on to next year !!!! Some of the supporters here are acting like spoilt brats. We are out of the Cup, get over it and get behind the team ffs !

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I really cannot believe some of the negative posts on here !! We are 8th, yes 8th in the Premiership !! We have everything to play for including a strong finish to the season driving us on to next year !!!! Some of the supporters here are acting like spoilt brats. We are out of the Cup, get over it and get behind the team ffs !

:mcinnes: See above.

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FFS. A lot of condescending crap being spouted here. Just because we are pissed off at MP for unnecessarily fielding a weakened team against Sunderland's reserves, and throwing away a golden opportunity to have a good chance at our 2nd trophy in 100+ years, doesn't mean we're not thrilled to be in 8th in the PL, not enjoying the great football being playing (with our bloody first choice team), haven't forgotten where we were just a few years ago, and are not wanting to see the team win every game of football.

 

This shrugging of shoulders, jolly bad luck to have been dumped out but let's move on, no big deal attitude, just gives free rein to MP and the rest of the Saints management to repeat their actions next time. If enough of the fans vent their fury at the totally unnecessary capitulation, maybe, just maybe, they'll think twice about doing it again (assuming no relegation or CL issues are at stake).

 

I reckon MP considered the bigger picture, whilst some people who are banging on about our cup exit can only see the smaller picture. In the long term, a strong league finish is all part of the longer term plan. The Cup would have been a bonus but not an integral part of the plan. Myself, I am happy that we are panning ahead.

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:mcinnes: See above.

 

Fair enough, but the League is far more important than the Cup IMO. The win against Hull more important than the Cup game against Sunderland.

 

BTW I remember the 70's and 80's and 90's and the glory days of the FA Cup. But, times have changed. A strong finish in the PL and a position of 7th or 8th is far more important nowadays than a Cup win, IMO.

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Fair enough, but the League is far more important than the Cup IMO. The win against Hull more important than the Cup game against Sunderland.

 

BTW I remember the 70's and 80's and 90's and the glory days of the FA Cup. But, times have changed. A strong finish in the PL and a position of 7th or 8th is far more important nowadays than a Cup win, IMO.

Do you think we'll stay up this season mate?
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This is the first year for ages that we have been in the top league and not filled with anxiety about relegation and looking with envy at mid table security now we've got mid table security and some fans are moaning, baffles me, they must have short memories or be newcomers. I've been through all the ups and downs since the war and for me this is the best season, the best spirit and the best management I've known since Ted Bates' lot led by Terry Paine got out of the old third divisionand started the revival. And the current squad beats any. How can people still moan, they must be ill.

 

It is all about expectations. Cortese raised the bar that fighting relegation was not an option but that we should set our sights higher including champions league. So I would argue that being miffed that we sent out an understrength team last week shows a lack of both ambition and respect. We win nothing by being 7th or 8th. It may be an achievement in many fans eyes. I have watched Saints since 1961 so I can compare many of the sides. The nearest we have had to winning anything major besides the FA cup was in 1984.Until we win the league, get champions league or Europa league or a cup we will not be successful in the eyes of our current owners and dare I say it fans that have raised their expectations as well.

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It is all about expectations. Cortese raised the bar that fighting relegation was not an option but that we should set our sights higher including champions league. So I would argue that being miffed that we sent out an understrength team last week shows a lack of both ambition and respect. We win nothing by being 7th or 8th. It may be an achievement in many fans eyes. I have watched Saints since 1961 so I can compare many of the sides. The nearest we have had to winning anything major besides the FA cup was in 1984.Until we win the league, get champions league or Europa league or a cup we will not be successful in the eyes of our current owners and dare I say it fans that have raised their expectations as well.

 

 

You are in fact wrong...well half wrong anyway. Under certain circumstances being 7th in the PL could lead to a qualification for the Europa League, those circumstances would also probably mean that we were qualified and the juggernaut Man U weren't.

Man U not being in Europe in any way whatsoever would bring about wholesale change in English football and might well be desirable in the long term even if it only changed attitudes for a brief period. Whether those that govern football in the UK would let that happen I just couldn't say.

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You are in fact wrong...well half wrong anyway. Under certain circumstances being 7th in the PL could lead to a qualification for the Europa League, those circumstances would also probably mean that we were qualified and the juggernaut Man U weren't.

Man U not being in Europe in any way whatsoever would bring about wholesale change in English football and might well be desirable in the long term even if it only changed attitudes for a brief period. Whether those that govern football in the UK would let that happen I just couldn't say.

What has he said that is wrong? Manchester United not qualifying one season for european football won't bring about wholesale change of any kind.
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And the award for most convoluted excuse for fielding a weakened team against Sunderland's reserves goes to ....

You are in fact wrong...well half wrong anyway. Under certain circumstances being 7th in the PL could lead to a qualification for the Europa League, those circumstances would also probably mean that we were qualified and the juggernaut Man U weren't.

Man U not being in Europe in any way whatsoever would bring about wholesale change in English football and might well be desirable in the long term even if it only changed attitudes for a brief period. Whether those that govern football in the UK would let that happen I just couldn't say.

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FFS. A lot of condescending crap being spouted here. Just because we are pissed off at MP for unnecessarily fielding a weakened team against Sunderland's reserves, and throwing away a golden opportunity to have a good chance at our 2nd trophy in 100+ years, doesn't mean we're not thrilled to be in 8th in the PL, not enjoying the great football being playing (with our bloody first choice team), haven't forgotten where we were just a few years ago, and are not wanting to see the team win every game of football.

 

This shrugging of shoulders, jolly bad luck to have been dumped out but let's move on, no big deal attitude, just gives free rein to MP and the rest of the Saints management to repeat their actions next time. If enough of the fans vent their fury at the totally unnecessary capitulation, maybe, just maybe, they'll think twice about doing it again (assuming no relegation or CL issues are at stake).

 

Indeed. See similar on twitter from famous Saints bloggers where they look for some fckwits extreme tweet and then patronises with something like 'can't believe so many are saying blah blah blah' when no one actually is.

I pity any fan who wasn't livid after Saturday as they have no soul.

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[QUOT=Dark Munster;1887589]FFS. A lot of condescending crap being spouted here. Just because we are pissed off at MP for unnecessarily fielding a weakened team against Sunderland's reserves, and throwing away a golden opportunity to have a good chance at our 2nd trophy in 100+ years, doesn't mean we're not thrilled to be in 8th in the PL, not enjoying the great football being playing (with our bloody first choice team), haven't forgotten where we were just a few years ago, and are not wanting to see the team win every game of football.

 

This shrugging of shoulders, jolly bad luck to have been dumped out but let's move on, no big deal attitude, just gives free rein to MP and the rest of the Saints management to repeat their actions next time. If enough of the fans vent their fury at the totally unnecessary capitulation, maybe, just maybe, they'll think twice about doing it again (assuming no relegation or CL issues are at stake).

 

This is the post of the week exactly this

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And the award for most convoluted excuse for fielding a weakened team against Sunderland's reserves goes to ....

 

 

I wish we had "reserves" like Sunderland's, they beat our first team less 2 players. If we had anything that you could call reserves we'd not be having these discussions every other week.

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I wish we had "reserves" like Sunderland's, they beat our first team less 2 players. If we had anything that you could call reserves we'd not be having these discussions every other week.

But that's the whole point. Sunderland's reserves were no mugs, so it needed our strongest possible line-up to see them off (no guarantee, but much more likely we would have drawn/won). If we'd played our weakened team against Hull, and our strongest against Sunderland, we probably would be looking forward to a quarter final against Hull/Brighton, maybe at a cost of being 9th rather than 8th in the league.

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Sunderland probably has 18-20 players that are quite similar in quality but also quite average, that is why they are 18th in the league at the moment but when they rotate they dont lose as much quality compared to their "first XI". They will also have less signs of fatigue due to the amount of players in the squad.

 

We have probably 13-14 players of similar quality in the squad but a higher quality and then 6-8 players that aren´t the same quality.

That´s why we are 8th and are looking very good when all players are fit and have no fatigue or injury problems.

 

No team will ever be able to field the "best XI" game in and game out. The sooner people understand that the better.

We have players on contracts that we just cant get rid of because their promotion bonuses has given them a fairly good salary that is much larger than they can get in the championship (which is their playing quality). Give it another one or two years and these players will be out of the squad and replace by better players which gives us a stronger squad which gives us a better possibility to rotate without losing quality and therefor also have a good possibility of a decent cup run.

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Indeed. See similar on twitter from famous Saints bloggers where they look for some fckwits extreme tweet and then patronises with something like 'can't believe so many are saying blah blah blah' when no one actually is.

I pity any fan who wasn't livid after Saturday as they have no soul.

 

Boo hoo we lost a football match or something.

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OMG I am going to agree with Dalek. Really beggars belief some of the pathetic crap written on this forum about season being over. What ever happened to wanting to see the team win every game of football, to put one over on our rivals (i.e. every one of the 19 teams in our division) and just enjoying individual games. It has hardly ever been about winning a competition whether that is league or cup, that is just the icing on the cake when individual games go well.The season is not over, I'm looking forward to beating the Scousers again, beating Wet Sham an their pathetic football ethic, and putting one over the mancs on the last day of the season. Would the same people on here who are moaning about season being over be saying the same if we were playing the Skates at St Mary's next week? And if we manage to get up to 6th (still possible) then that would be nice, but its not the be all and end all of the season.

 

Top post. It's true, what happened to enjoying individual games? This talk of 'raised expectations' to Top 4 levels from Cortese after 1 season in the prem is ridiculous. If it's champions league or nothing then people have a screw loose.

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Hope we get a win, we need to move on from the Sunderland game. If we play a full strength side and lose, this forum will be unbearable. Whats the news with Lovren? And I noticed Ramirez has been called up to the Uruguay squad, so he can't be far away either. We say the season's over, but for at least half the side there's still a lot to play for. There will be no letting up with World Cup places up for grabs

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Hope we get a win, we need to move on from the Sunderland game. If we play a full strength side and lose, this forum will be unbearable. Whats the news with Lovren? And I noticed Ramirez has been called up to the Uruguay squad, so he can't be far away either. We say the season's over, but for at least half the side there's still a lot to play for. There will be no letting up with World Cup places up for grabs

 

Reckon Lovren will start with Gaston on the bench.

 

Boruc; Chambers Fonte Lovren Shaw; Cork Morgan; JRod Lallana Davis; Lambert

 

Davis; Clyne Yoshi; JWP Gaston Wanyama; Gallagher

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Reckon Lovren will start with Gaston on the bench.

 

Boruc; Chambers Fonte Lovren Shaw; Cork Morgan; JRod Lallana Davis; Lambert

 

Davis; Clyne Yoshi; JWP Gaston Wanyama; Gallagher

 

Would guess Lovren will be bench unless he plays first 45. Can't see a full game. Also, although I would prefer Cork, think it will be VW against a long ball physical side. Bring on Jack once they tire.

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We seem to be in transition again with players coming back so likelihood Pochettino will drop Cork, Lambert and Yoshida to the bench again and rely on the centre backs and defensive midfielders to get their acts together. For some reason he never seems to keep a winning team? So there will be spaces through rusty performance and lack of understanding and with Shaw and Clyne up and down a bit of late it might be asking too much to keep a clean sheet. Can we score, not so sure? 2-0 to the Hammers is what I think will happen.

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This is an absolutely MASSIVE game for Saints.

 

Win and we will probably stay 8th, maybe even go 7th for a couple of hours. Draw and we will be 8th, lose and we will probably be 8th but Newcastle's result could potentially mean we fall to a disastrous 9th for a week or two.

 

I'm so glad we f*cked off the FA Cup last week to concentrate on this vital fixture.

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