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Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.
:lol: F**ks sake, who has wished for that? This forum is top drawer today. Edited by Sour Mash
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I went paintballing yesterday. I wont be telling my grand children about that either but I found it quite exciting.

 

It's really quite saddening seeing some of them comments on here recently. I remember being on the pitch after we beat Walsall on the last day of League 1 and the delight shared by the whole stadium at being back in the Championship, so we would have a shot at getting back into the big time. Now we're here and suddenly the place is full of brats saying the last 12 games of the season are pointless because we don't have a cup final to tell our grandkids about.

 

I fully understand the frustration, if I went to Sunderland on Saturday I would be livid and demanding my money back. However there are still 12 games left to play in the best League in the world, playing excellent football with no pressure or threat of relegation. Last year we would have killed to be in this position.

 

Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.

 

No.. I think you are in the majority of the balanced fanbase.. I've never witnessed such an outburst of emotion over any game I can remember; and some posters on here think they should be picking the team every week.. its a joke.

We have not witnessed such a great way of playing football ever before and we have one bad performance and all hell lets loose.

We need to wake up and realise how lucky we are compared to three/four years ago.

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I went paintballing yesterday. I wont be telling my grand children about that either but I found it quite exciting.

 

It's really quite saddening seeing some of them comments on here recently. I remember being on the pitch after we beat Walsall on the last day of League 1 and the delight shared by the whole stadium at being back in the Championship, so we would have a shot at getting back into the big time. Now we're here and suddenly the place is full of brats saying the last 12 games of the season are pointless because we don't have a cup final to tell our grandkids about.

 

I fully understand the frustration, if I went to Sunderland on Saturday I would be livid and demanding my money back. However there are still 12 games left to play in the best League in the world, playing excellent football with no pressure or threat of relegation. Last year we would have killed to be in this position.

 

Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.

 

You are probably NOT in the minority, just that more people post when they feel negative rather than positive. I share your sentiments exactly.

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:lol: F**ks sake, who has wished for that? This forum is top draw today.

 

I know, I'm being facetious but I can't help but wonder what people are expecting from the future. Next season will either be

 

a) Battling out for the league title and the Champions League

b) Like this. Upper mid-table.

c) Bottom half, flirting with relegation

d) Hopeless and relegated.

 

So what are people hoping for. How about you Mash? I'm not being rude here I am genuinely curious what people expect and hope for.

 

a) Wont be happening, sorry folks. b) Is apparently boring and pointless c) is the same but with worse football d) means watching another dire season like 04/05

 

Is it literally all about the cups? If so, save yourselves £600 on a season ticket, enjoy the games at Bristol City and Northampton and pray that we don't draw a trip to the Etihad next January.

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We could lose every game 8-0 and not go down. The only thing lingering around here is the faint stench of the guff you fart out from your keyboard.

 

Personal insults, why ? I will be charitable on this occasion and suggest that you read the post again. Now, the key word are 'lingering doubts'. In other words not strong, but just the remnants. so however, small the doubts, maybe there are just a few until the magic 40 points are achieved. I know I am being overly cautious, but not unreasonable and I have expressed my opinion thus.

Quite frankly, your hostile and aggressive manner to my post is hard to fathom out.

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I know, I'm being facetious but I can't help but wonder what people are expecting from the future. Next season will either be

 

a) Battling out for the league title and the Champions League

b) Like this. Upper mid-table.

c) Bottom half, flirting with relegation

d) Hopeless and relegated.

 

So what are people hoping for. How about you Mash? I'm not being rude here I am genuinely curious what people expect and hope for.

 

a) Wont be happening, sorry folks. b) Is apparently boring and pointless c) is the same but with worse football d) means watching another dire season like 04/05

 

Is it literally all about the cups? If so, save yourselves £600 on a season ticket, enjoy the games at Bristol City and Northampton and pray that we don't draw a trip to the Etihad next January.

You're making stuff up, which I find ammusing. I don't see why we can't be an upper mid-table side that has a damn good go at the cups as well, it's not a particularly extreme or outlandish expectation for a fan of a club our size.
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I went paintballing yesterday. I wont be telling my grand children about that either but I found it quite exciting.

 

It's really quite saddening seeing some of them comments on here recently. I remember being on the pitch after we beat Walsall on the last day of League 1 and the delight shared by the whole stadium at being back in the Championship, so we would have a shot at getting back into the big time. Now we're here and suddenly the place is full of brats saying the last 12 games of the season are pointless because we don't have a cup final to tell our grandkids about.

 

I fully understand the frustration, if I went to Sunderland on Saturday I would be livid and demanding my money back. However there are still 12 games left to play in the best League in the world, playing excellent football with no pressure or threat of relegation. Last year we would have killed to be in this position.

 

Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.

 

Totally agree. The negativity about the 'season being over' is ridiculous. There are 12 games left to play in the premier league, a league we fought so hard get to get back to. I get that buzz of excitement, anticipation and fear of disappointment before every game saints play and it'll be like that at 3pm on Saturday. Rather than being sarcastically fixated on whether we'll finish '8th or 9th', I'll be looking forward to more goals from Rickie, J-Rod and Adam, quality passing football and that feeling any victory brings.

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You're making stuff up, which I find ammusing. I don't see why we can't be an upper mid-table side that has a damn good go at the cups as well, it's not a particularly extreme or outlandish expectation for a fan of a club our size.

 

What have I made up?

 

If we had beaten Sunderland would people care about this game? It has no bearing on the FA Cup afterall, we could lose 50-0 and still beat Brighton in the QF, so surely it would still be a pointless game in the eyes of many?

 

Putting aside the FA Cup for a minute, nobody is disputing all the fans want to win that: Is this the future of Southampton in the Premier League? We get to 40 points in February, then play the last 10-15 games of the season behind closed doors at SMS (but for maybe 1000 away fans) because our season is over and nobody cares about 9th or 7th?

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What have I made up?

This.
Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.

 

Anyway, you're so passionate and excited about the West Ham game, you'll be glued to your stream, so exciting isn't it.

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Boruc prob needs another weeks rest as tough plsying in goal, j rod looked leggy against hill so another two weeks and Morgan 3 as he's played a lot of games. We have to make sure they are fit for the run in to claim the 8 th place trophy.

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Anyway, you're so passionate and excited about the West Ham game, you'll be glued to your stream, so exciting isn't it.

 

I'm a self employed, zero hour contractor who has had 3 days of work this year. I don't have £100 so spend on going to a football game.

 

You can f**k off.

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You're making stuff up, which I find ammusing. I don't see why we can't be an upper mid-table side that has a damn good go at the cups as well, it's not a particularly extreme or outlandish expectation for a fan of a club our size.

 

This.

 

Lighthouse on fire today, making up pointless scenarios no one is wishing for and then lambasting people.

 

Top ten, go for it in the cups. Perfect season in my book.

 

The rest of this season will play out just fine but could have been better. Oh well.

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Is this true or have you made this bit up for arguments sake?

 

Yes it is. Baj, Justmike and few others on here could pretty much vouch for it (although if they are reading this please don't post who I work for on the internet)

 

Even if it wasn't, there are a LOT of people out there in a similar or worse position. I used to think you were a decent poster Mash. Controversial at times but at least able to put forward a sensible argument worth debating. Belittling other posters for not forking out £100 to go to an away game, when you have no idea if they even have a job or not is pretty f**king poor if you ask me.

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Yes it is. Baj, Justmike and few others on here could pretty much vouch for it (although if they are reading this please don't post who I work for on the internet)

 

Even if it wasn't, there are a LOT of people out there in a similar or worse position. I used to think you were a decent poster Mash. Controversial at times but at least able to put forward a sensible argument worth debating. Belittling other posters for not forking out £100 to go to an away game, when you have no idea if they even have a job or not is pretty f**king poor if you ask me.

I'm not belittling others for not paying to watch Premier League football, I know plenty that don't. I'm belittling you for making stuff up and telling fans that do actually go and watch their side play,to enjoy their football, plenty will be doing exactly that despite being genuinely p****d off at their rightly perceived waste of valuable time and money at Sunderland.
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Wanyama (and Schneiderlin) to start and if it's not working within half hour to bring Cork on. We don't need another unnecesary Sunderland debacle.

 

Why the hell would you start Wanyama? His brain is so far behind the game at the moment it's embarrassing. Cork to start for me alongside Morgan.

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Perhaps you're right. I was thinking that sooner or later Big Vic has to find the form that successfully blocked heavy tackling sides earlier in the season. Better to try him out against West Ham before Liverpool. Otherwise he's become another big signing liability.

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Perhaps you're right. I was thinking that sooner or later Big Vic has to find the form that successfully blocked heavy tackling sides earlier in the season. Better to try him out against West Ham before Liverpool. Otherwise he's become another big signing liability.

 

 

Depends where his head is right now though doesn't it. Does he actually believe that Citeh are interested in him ? Who knows, I certainly don't.

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By all accounts, they were pretty poor against Cardiff and Norwich and if it weren't for better finishing, they could have quite easily lost both games. Winston Reid's return is a big factor in their defensive revival but still fancy we'll get a goal, esp with Jrod's pace in what looks to be a classic under 2.5 game.

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Mark Clattenburg has been appointed referee for West Ham v Southampton on Saturday 22 February #WHUSOU

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So much for the people who were telling us only a month ago that Clattenburg wouldn't be reffing any of our games in the foreseeable future then. We made fools of ourselves and got knocked back that's it and all about it..

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By all accounts, they were pretty poor against Cardiff and Norwich and if it weren't for better finishing, they could have quite easily lost both games. Winston Reid's return is a big factor in their defensive revival but still fancy we'll get a goal, esp with Jrod's pace in what looks to be a classic under 2.5 game.

 

 

Reid hasn't been playing much yet, just a couple of late sub appearances, Tomkins and Collins were still in defence I think but Reid might well start against Saints.

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Reid hasn't been playing much yet, just a couple of late sub appearances, Tomkins and Collins were still in defence I think but Reid might well start against Saints.

 

Prefer that combo - as long as we don't overuse the direct ball to Lambert, perhaps let him drop deeper as he did in the 2nd half against Fulham, I fancy giving some problems.

 

Jrod was excellent up there last season against those two (Reid was FB that day) - Lambert was actually dropped. Shame Gallagher is still a bit raw as he could stretch them.

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I went paintballing yesterday. I wont be telling my grand children about that either but I found it quite exciting.

 

It's really quite saddening seeing some of them comments on here recently. I remember being on the pitch after we beat Walsall on the last day of League 1 and the delight shared by the whole stadium at being back in the Championship, so we would have a shot at getting back into the big time. Now we're here and suddenly the place is full of brats saying the last 12 games of the season are pointless because we don't have a cup final to tell our grandkids about.

 

I fully understand the frustration, if I went to Sunderland on Saturday I would be livid and demanding my money back. However there are still 12 games left to play in the best League in the world, playing excellent football with no pressure or threat of relegation. Last year we would have killed to be in this position.

 

Clearly I am in a minority in my opinion, I'll leave it on this note; be careful what you wish for. Maybe in the summer we can sell, Lallana, Shaw, Morgan and JRod and go back to fighting relegation. We will have to go back to the 6-1 spankings and losing at home to Sunderland, QPR, Wigan and West Brom like we did last season but maybe the excitement of the League table will keep a few more people happy.

 

You are completely missing the point. The fact we got knocked out of the cup does not make our league season a failure. I'm going to Upton Park on Saturday and can't wait, but I would rather finish 17th and win the cup this year than go out in the disgraceful manner we did. Winning the FA Cup would be a great achievement and remembered forever; finishing 8th would not - it would be about par for the squad we have. And while I will enjoy and am looking forward to the last 12 games of the season, the truth is they ARE completely pointless.

 

As for the West Ham game, I think we will win as the players will know just how angry the fans are about the Sunderland fiasco and will want to make amends as soon as possible.

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Can't believe people are so miserable about the prospect of finishing between 7th and 9th.

 

Tossers.

 

This, 100%. Were 8th in the league, playing the best football for 15 odd years with the most exciting young squad of players we've ever had and a top young manager. So he got it wrong on Sat and we lost and we're all annoyed about it/cant understand it - but all the bedwetters saying seasons over, dont care less etc please do us all a favour and feck off because you're utter plastics

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So much for the people who were telling us only a month ago that Clattenburg wouldn't be reffing any of our games in the foreseeable future then. We made fools of ourselves and got knocked back that's it and all about it..

 

home games brah, i'm not surprised to see on travels but i bet we don't see him SMS this season

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Personal insults, why ? I will be charitable on this occasion and suggest that you read the post again. Now, the key word are 'lingering doubts'. In other words not strong, but just the remnants. so however, small the doubts, maybe there are just a few until the magic 40 points are achieved. I know I am being overly cautious, but not unreasonable and I have expressed my opinion thus.

Quite frankly, your hostile and aggressive manner to my post is hard to fathom out.

 

It's hardly hostile or aggressive, and there are no lingering doubts. What's so magic about 40 points as opposed to 39? As I said, we already have enough points.

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It's hardly hostile or aggressive, and there are no lingering doubts. What's so magic about 40 points as opposed to 39? As I said, we already have enough points.

 

I am not doubting that 39 points is probably enough, but I always like to get over the 40 point mark. Yes, it sounds a bit over cautious, but there you go. I bet I am not alone in preferring to get over 40 points.

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You are completely missing the point. The fact we got knocked out of the cup does not make our league season a failure. I'm going to Upton Park on Saturday and can't wait, but I would rather finish 17th and win the cup this year than go out in the disgraceful manner we did. Winning the FA Cup would be a great achievement and remembered forever; finishing 8th would not - it would be about par for the squad we have. And while I will enjoy and am looking forward to the last 12 games of the season, the truth is they ARE completely pointless.

 

As for the West Ham game, I think we will win as the players will know just how angry the fans are about the Sunderland fiasco and will want to make amends as soon as possible.

 

If that's what you want, fair enough but I disagree entirely.

 

Finishing 17th would mean going through the whole 2004/05 season again. Wigley, Redknapp, Davenport, Bernard, Jackobsson, Folly, Van Damme, Delap, the last minute goals against Everton, Arsenal and Boro. That 3-2 against Villa, 1 away win all season, that 4-1 at Fratton Park. The only difference would be it's Kevin Phillips scoring on the last day instead of Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

 

You would happily sit through ALL of that sh*te again for a cup win?

 

If you are enjoying the games, they aren't pointless. That's the ENTIRE point of watching any sports. You don't get paid a £50k bonus if Saints win the Cup, You're not going to put it on your CV. If you are enjoying the games, that is the point.

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I'm not belittling others for not paying to watch Premier League football, I know plenty that don't. I'm belittling you for making stuff up and telling fans that do actually go and watch their side play,to enjoy their football, plenty will be doing exactly that despite being genuinely p****d off at their rightly perceived waste of valuable time and money at Sunderland.

 

Well yes, evidently not

 

Anyway, you're so passionate and excited about the West Ham game, you'll be glued to your stream, so exciting isn't it.

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I'm one of these weirdos who watches football because they like watching football. I get a lot of funny looks when I tell people this at St Mary's. The up side though is that I am looking forward to this games as much as any other this season. Getting one over on West Ham after our dreadful performance at UP last year will do me quite nicely.

 

As far as the League goes, a win puts us 3 points behind Everton and Utd (assuming they lose at Chelsea and beat Palace respectively). Both have to come and play at St Mary's too. Having our best ever Premier League season and finishing 6th above Man Utd is pretty exciting for me, even if there are no trophies on offer.

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I know, I'm being facetious but I can't help but wonder what people are expecting from the future. Next season will either be

 

a) Battling out for the league title and the Champions League

b) Like this. Upper mid-table.

c) Bottom half, flirting with relegation

d) Hopeless and relegated.

 

So what are people hoping for. How about you Mash? I'm not being rude here I am genuinely curious what people expect and hope for.

 

a) Wont be happening, sorry folks. b) Is apparently boring and pointless c) is the same but with worse football d) means watching another dire season like 04/05

 

Is it literally all about the cups? If so, save yourselves £600 on a season ticket, enjoy the games at Bristol City and Northampton and pray that we don't draw a trip to the Etihad next January.

No it's not (nice straw man you knocked over there!) Our league position is great. It's also the perfect and rare position to have made a real go for the FA Cup.

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What have I made up?

 

If we had beaten Sunderland would people care about this game? It has no bearing on the FA Cup afterall, we could lose 50-0 and still beat Brighton in the QF, so surely it would still be a pointless game in the eyes of many?

 

Putting aside the FA Cup for a minute, nobody is disputing all the fans want to win that: Is this the future of Southampton in the Premier League? We get to 40 points in February, then play the last 10-15 games of the season behind closed doors at SMS (but for maybe 1000 away fans) because our season is over and nobody cares about 9th or 7th?

Yes. Next question?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49001-Hull-vs-Saints-Build-Up

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49028-Hull-v-Saints-Match-Thread

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49030-Hull-0-Saints-1-Post-Match-amp-MOTM-Poll

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I can easily see us losing this one - West Ham will be up for it, the Cup game will surely have damaged team moral, and lets face it even our manager's commitment to the cause seems debatable at this time.

When Cortese quit, everyone was expecting our season to nosedive and we ended up playing great.

 

I reckon this will be 0-0 though, WHAM have really tightened up at the back

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