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It is amusing that the Poster who started this thread user name is Rasiak, now he was pal Ayer to look up to for for work ethic and teamplay. I can see why if Rasiak is the standard we have to look to why RL is so poor in some eyes.

 

My username is totally, utterly irrelevant to the discussion and is/was something I decided on as a complete joke considering Rasiak was probably the laziest, least talented, most goofy looking player Saints have had.

 

But what on Earth has that got to do with the fact that Rickie Lambert, our current centre-forward is a complete passenger in our team and a major weak link who needs replacing ASAP?

 

Besides, it isn't just Lambert's laziness thats the problem. Its the fact that he doesn't shoot, can't beat a man, can't run, has to drop into midfield to avoid getting caught offside and is regularly owned by every half-decent Premiership centre-back under the sun.

 

He has two goals from open play this season in the Premiership. Two.

 

Its literally the same thing as England had with Beckham all those years ago. He's getting into the team on 1) past reputation 2) loyalty taken beyond reason and 3) his dead-ball.

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That's b*llocks. He was winning a lot of headers/flick on's in the game yesterday but the only person making any runs around him was Lallana and so they invariably ended up going nowhere. Guly and in particular Ward-Prowse have a lot to answer for in that respect.

 

 

 

Only one penalty this season you div.

 

Nice work Clarky, does that make you a Div too ??

 

As I said before I like Rickie but Im realistic and he has been pretty poor really. Personally I think its more to do with the system we play rather then any fault in his game per se. I also think the calls of his legs gone are wide of the mark as he was never particularly mobile in the first place.

 

Yesterday wasnt his fault either, as a team we were poor, even Lallana had a poor game for his standards and Rickie was pretty anonomous but he wasnt really helped by the midfield either.

 

Opinions on Lambert have really turned into a very polarized situation, I can only assume this is because he is a club legend (deservedly so) but IMO its not working with him as the spearhead. He didnt link up well yesterday and often is just not mobile enough.

 

Its also only 7 assists none of which are against top ten teams and the only top half team he has scored against this season is Spurs

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You make a thread criticising him, and people's one defence is to focus on the utter irrelevence of your joke username.

 

...and then the thread gets pulled. Proving my point exactly that people just want to bury their heads in sand.

 

Anyway, all joking aside. Can we please have a realistic discussion about how we're going to develop our front line for seasons to come?

 

Persist with the 4-5-1 and bring in a Benteke/Lukaku type striker? Or see if we can bring in a pacey winger and go 4-4-2 with another smaller striker to play alongside Rodriguez?

 

We haven't played with a pacey winger since League One, why would we start now?

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You make a thread criticising him, and people's one defence is to focus on the utter irrelevence of your joke username.

 

...and then the thread gets pulled. Proving my point exactly that people just want to bury their heads in sand.

 

Anyway, all joking aside. Can we please have a realistic discussion about how we're going to develop our front line for seasons to come?

 

Persist with the 4-5-1 and bring in a Benteke/Lukaku type striker? Or see if we can bring in a pacey winger and go 4-4-2 with another smaller striker to play alongside Rodriguez?

 

 

it obviously depends on the personnel we have as a strike force, whether we play 4-4-2, or 4-5-1-......or whatever.

 

" Someone" obviously though that Osvaldo would be the answer to replacing Rickie, but that's all gone up in smoke now, and Rickie is still here.

 

If we suddenly see Sam Gallagher getting goals in his future games, then we might build a team (and a new formation) around him and JayRod

 

I 'm not alone in projecting the signing of another top striker in the summer - am I ? ......after that we'll see the formation that suits best.

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Nice work Clarky, does that make you a Div too ??

 

As I said before I like Rickie but Im realistic and he has been pretty poor really. Personally I think its more to do with the system we play rather then any fault in his game per se. I also think the calls of his legs gone are wide of the mark as he was never particularly mobile in the first place.

 

Yesterday wasnt his fault either, as a team we were poor, even Lallana had a poor game for his standards and Rickie was pretty anonomous but he wasnt really helped by the midfield either.

 

Opinions on Lambert have really turned into a very polarized situation, I can only assume this is because he is a club legend (deservedly so) but IMO its not working with him as the spearhead. He didnt link up well yesterday and often is just not mobile enough.

 

Its also only 7 assists none of which are against top ten teams and the only top half team he has scored against this season is Spurs

 

What a load of tosh. Assists count whoever you are playing in prem. rickie was superb against Fulham. Also maybe he is finished but talk about him with respect please for what he's done for us.

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When Lambert hasn't been playing we have been poor. Rodriguez is lost on his own up front. Lambert is the only player we have that is comfortable up front with his back to goal. We play better with Lambert than without him. As for Saturday Guly and JWP gave us nothing up front, Lambert had nothing from them.

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When Lambert hasn't been playing we have been poor. Rodriguez is lost on his own up front. Lambert is the only player we have that is comfortable up front with his back to goal. We play better with Lambert than without him. As for Saturday Guly and JWP gave us nothing up front, Lambert had nothing from them.

 

 

I thought we played well against Arsenal without Lambert actually. Whole team looked far more vivacious.

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I thought we played well against Arsenal without Lambert actually. Whole team looked far more vivacious.

 

Absolutely right.

 

Here's a simple thought experiment:

 

Would you be happy if we start next season and the best striker at the club is Rickie Lambert?

 

Presumably, people who think he has been good this season wouldn't see that as a problem. Honestly though, I wonder how many people could answer, "yes".

 

Repeat the experiment at centre back, full- back centre mid etc. and I think it starts to become clear where our weak links are.

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Good idea benjii - poll perhaps?

 

1) would you be happy if we start next season and the best striker at the club is Rickie Lambart?

 

b) would you be happy if we start next season and the best full-back at the club is Rickie Lambart?

 

4) would you be happy if we start next season and the best centre mid etc at the club is Rickie Lambart?

 

ii) would you be happy if we start next season and the best goalkeeper at the club is Rickie Lambart?

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How many top-drawer, top 8 Premier League strikers, currently out there?

 

Most of the top drawer PL strikers weren't top drawer PL strikers 3 years ago, or even a year ago. Sturridge was a so so 1 goal every 5 games player at Chelsea and sold for £12m. Saints arent realistically going to compete for players who have proven to do it at the top level, but there are plenty of players who have the capacity to come good.

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Most of the top drawer PL strikers weren't top drawer PL strikers 3 years ago, or even a year ago. Sturridge was a so so 1 goal every 5 games player at Chelsea and sold for £12m. Saints arent realistically going to compete for players who have proven to do it at the top level, but there are plenty of players who have the capacity to come good.
Sturridge was always considered a highly talented player full of potential - look at the clubs he was at - Man City, Chelsea, then Liverpool - he just needed the right place to click. Which other strikers are you thinking of?
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Sturridge was always considered a highly talented player full of potential - look at the clubs he was at - Man City, Chelsea, then Liverpool - he just needed the right place to click. Which other strikers are you thinking of?

 

Im not saying I know 10 strikers who could definitely make it -obviously signing players unproven at the highest level is a risk, but they do exist. Lambert, Michu, Sturridge have come good. People like Matej Vydra and Jordan Rhodes might.

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Im not saying I know 10 strikers who could definitely make it -obviously signing players unproven at the highest level is a risk, but they do exist. Lambert, Michu, Sturridge have come good. People like Matej Vydra and Jordan Rhodes might.
Yes they might. I'm not suggesting that we don't try and strengthen our forward line, of course that's important, Lambert will be 33 next season anyway. My point is directed at those that are always critical of Lambert - playing as a top-level striker in the Premier League isn't exactly an easy task, the fact that so many have failed or achieved little demonstrates that, Lambert has still delivered brilliantly for us, Osvaldo wasn't exactly brilliant in the games he played which should show how much of an ask it really is.
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The teams that are above us in the league who have got strikers that are "better" than SRL are way ahead in the stratosphere in terms of cost. To replace SRL with one of them might cost upwards of £30M plus smash the wage structure at SMS. Which means we have to get one from the next level down - namely an overseas international quite young and hope it works. Or a domestic championship forward and take a chance.

 

We could not afford a Van Persie, Suarez, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Eto, Torres, Lukaku...Reading some of the gnarly comments on this thread I don't really know quite when we became so big-time as to be slagging off and writing off the likes of Rickie Lambert and Jrod with such contemptuous ease. These guys are being talked about as if they were cattle to buy or sell in the market. Somewhere along the way a lot of you have forgotten what being a Saints fan really is all about - and its NOT about talking and acting like the rest of the nouveau riche clubs and support do that's fer sure.

 

Whichever forward we do get in the fullness of time will be slaughtered by you lot for being (a) rubbish if he does not score instantly and then every time he plays (b) being more expensive than £1m Rickie Lambert © foreign hence cannot take the pace and physical nature of the game (d) English hence has no technique (e) too slow or just a head down speeder with no brains and perhaps worst of all (f) not Rickie. Its no-win playing the supporter game the way that you do. Never happy, never proud, always greedy and envious and wanting more than what we got because we want to be Manyoo or chelski......I want us to be World Club Champions alright no doubt about that - I've dreamt it too....but i want it to be with Saints players playing the saints way with a support that's exceptional in its understanding and empathy for the team, not this sneering sh*t towards our own players that id only expect to hear from skates...

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What a load of tosh. Assists count whoever you are playing in prem. rickie was superb against Fulham. Also maybe he is finished but talk about him with respect please for what he's done for us.

 

He was very 2nd half against Fulham, poor 1st half though, coincidentally moving from striker to AM. Also worth noting that Fulham is the worst team I have seen this year and were terrible second half. Also saying I should show him respect is just utter kak, so is he free from criticism then ? Where have I denyed him his (deserved) hero status ? Merely pointing out since MoPo has been here he hasnt been the same force.

 

As per assists and goals, of course they mean something against whoever, but it does show that he struggles against the better teams and arguably in those ganes if we had someone capable playing the lone role for us then we would be performing even better, which lets face it, is why we (wrongly) spunked 15m on Ossie.

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When Lambert hasn't been playing we have been poor. Rodriguez is lost on his own up front. Lambert is the only player we have that is comfortable up front with his back to goal. We play better with Lambert than without him. As for Saturday Guly and JWP gave us nothing up front, Lambert had nothing from them.

 

That is the problem, we have nobody, unless SG suddenly explodes onto the scene, though Id struggle to put faith in a 17/18 yr old (though I did say that about Shaw).

 

Lambert had little assistance against Sunderland but even the bits he did try he couldnt achieve with any quality, though as I said Im not going to take much from the FA cup game as everyone including Lallana were substandard.

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Sturridge was always considered a highly talented player full of potential - look at the clubs he was at - Man City, Chelsea, then Liverpool - he just needed the right place to click. Which other strikers are you thinking of?

 

Its about systems aswell. Sturridge didnt suit Chelsea but has come up wity the goods playing in a top 2 and alongside Suarez.

 

Not going to say we couldnt squeeze more out of lambert if we played a game that suited him as I honestly believe we would. The problem is he just doesnt fit or suit MoPo's tactics, and thats the main problem.

 

(Just read your next post) - Im not slagging Rickie off by the way, not intentionally putting him down but if I cant pass critique on a member of the team without it being taken as a personal insult then what chance do we have discussing anything ? He has been great for us, unfortunately its not worked for him basically since MoPo, I blame the system more then Lambert, his legs havent gone as he was never a really able runner and under Adkins he was still giving top level CBs the run around.

 

But you are right, I dont really know the answer except to try and buy some obvious and established quality, Id argue that a bid for Bony or even Welbeck (yes him) would be a decent shout.

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The teams that are above us in the league who have got strikers that are "better" than SRL are way ahead in the stratosphere in terms of cost. To replace SRL with one of them might cost upwards of £30M plus smash the wage structure at SMS. Which means we have to get one from the next level down - namely an overseas international quite young and hope it works. Or a domestic championship forward and take a chance.

 

We could not afford a Van Persie, Suarez, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Eto, Torres, Lukaku...Reading some of the gnarly comments on this thread I don't really know quite when we became so big-time as to be slagging off and writing off the likes of Rickie Lambert and Jrod with such contemptuous ease. These guys are being talked about as if they were cattle to buy or sell in the market. Somewhere along the way a lot of you have forgotten what being a Saints fan really is all about - and its NOT about talking and acting like the rest of the nouveau riche clubs and support do that's fer sure.

 

Whichever forward we do get in the fullness of time will be slaughtered by you lot for being (a) rubbish if he does not score instantly and then every time he plays (b) being more expensive than £1m Rickie Lambert © foreign hence cannot take the pace and physical nature of the game (d) English hence has no technique (e) too slow or just a head down speeder with no brains and perhaps worst of all (f) not Rickie. Its no-win playing the supporter game the way that you do. Never happy, never proud, always greedy and envious and wanting more than what we got because we want to be Manyoo or chelski......I want us to be World Club Champions alright no doubt about that - I've dreamt it too....but i want it to be with Saints players playing the saints way with a support that's exceptional in its understanding and empathy for the team, not this sneering sh*t towards our own players that id only expect to hear from skates...

 

Normally I rate your posts but A. If you are classing me as one of those supporters with little or no regard/patience or loyalty then you are being very wrong and B. If your telling me how to support my club you're being very pretencious.

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Its about systems aswell. Sturridge didnt suit Chelsea but has come up wity the goods playing in a top 2 and alongside Suarez.

 

Not going to say we couldnt squeeze more out of lambert if we played a game that suited him as I honestly believe we would. The problem is he just doesnt fit or suit MoPo's tactics, and thats the main problem.

 

(Just read your next post) - Im not slagging Rickie off by the way, not intentionally putting him down but if I cant pass critique on a member of the team without it being taken as a personal insult then what chance do we have discussing anything ? He has been great for us, unfortunately its not worked for him basically since MoPo, I blame the system more then Lambert, his legs havent gone as he was never a really able runner and under Adkins he was still giving top level CBs the run around.

 

But you are right, I dont really know the answer except to try and buy some obvious and established quality, Id argue that a bid for Bony or even Welbeck (yes him) would be a decent shout.

I'm not having a go at you, I don't have a problem with people being critical of Lambert's performances, there are plenty fo examples of him being below par. We'll definitely buy someone up-front this summer, I just think some need to realise potentially how much we're going to be asking for from our front-man and how difficult it maybe to tick all those boxes.
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I'm not having a go at you, I don't have a problem with people being critical of Lambert's performances, there are plenty fo examples of him being below par. We'll definitely buy someone up-front this summer, I just think some need to realise potentially how much we're going to be asking for from our front-man and how difficult it maybe to tick all those boxes.

 

Have to agree, I do think that the Roma Osvaldo was that man (minus being a headcase).

 

MoPos system requires the frontman to be (sorry to use a FM term its just easier to explain it) a complete striker, he needs to be strong enough to hold the ball up, technical enough to find passes around him, quick enough to get behind and hard working enough to support the high press.

 

Honestly ? That is going to seriously cost us unless we get a tainted genius or take a gamble.

 

In the prem ? Lukaku/Benteke/borini/welbeck/bony could all possibly fit the bill, all with their own gambles and costs, outside the prem it is more and more hedging your bets, there are players out there, I made a brief list the other day. The young lad at Juve excites me (on loan at sussulo)

 

But realistically you are looking at a massive fee

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Have to agree, I do think that the Roma Osvaldo was that man (minus being a headcase).

 

MoPos system requires the frontman to be (sorry to use a FM term its just easier to explain it) a complete striker, he needs to be strong enough to hold the ball up, technical enough to find passes around him, quick enough to get behind and hard working enough to support the high press.

 

Honestly ? That is going to seriously cost us unless we get a tainted genius or take a gamble.

 

In the prem ? Lukaku/Benteke/borini/welbeck/bony could all possibly fit the bill, all with their own gambles and costs, outside the prem it is more and more hedging your bets, there are players out there, I made a brief list the other day. The young lad at Juve excites me (on loan at sussulo)

 

But realistically you are looking at a massive fee

Exactly that really, we'll either have to be looking at £20m+ or being extremely clever/lucky with any signing.
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I thought we played well against Arsenal without Lambert actually. Whole team looked far more vivacious.

 

Agreed, but Gallagher hasn't started since and is still a long way from being Lambert's replacement despite a good goal v Yeovil and a robust display v Arsenal. I think he will be used sparingly. Who knows his present state after his tragic loss. It could take him a while to come to terms with it. Why I disregarded the Arsenal game. I'd like to see him close to playing, only time will tell.

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The teams that are above us in the league who have got strikers that are "better" than SRL are way ahead in the stratosphere in terms of cost. To replace SRL with one of them might cost upwards of £30M plus smash the wage structure at SMS. Which means we have to get one from the next level down - namely an overseas international quite young and hope it works. Or a domestic championship forward and take a chance.

 

We could not afford a Van Persie, Suarez, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Eto, Torres, Lukaku...Reading some of the gnarly comments on this thread I don't really know quite when we became so big-time as to be slagging off and writing off the likes of Rickie Lambert and Jrod with such contemptuous ease. These guys are being talked about as if they were cattle to buy or sell in the market. Somewhere along the way a lot of you have forgotten what being a Saints fan really is all about - and its NOT about talking and acting like the rest of the nouveau riche clubs and support do that's fer sure.

 

Whichever forward we do get in the fullness of time will be slaughtered by you lot for being (a) rubbish if he does not score instantly and then every time he plays (b) being more expensive than £1m Rickie Lambert © foreign hence cannot take the pace and physical nature of the game (d) English hence has no technique (e) too slow or just a head down speeder with no brains and perhaps worst of all (f) not Rickie. Its no-win playing the supporter game the way that you do. Never happy, never proud, always greedy and envious and wanting more than what we got because we want to be Manyoo or chelski......I want us to be World Club Champions alright no doubt about that - I've dreamt it too....but i want it to be with Saints players playing the saints way with a support that's exceptional in its understanding and empathy for the team, not this sneering sh*t towards our own players that id only expect to hear from skates...

 

Sums it up for me. I think we should look for a couple of Lambert types in the UK. There are many over priced foreign strikers that have struggled here in recent times,

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Having calmed down a bit after last week, I feel I ought to communicate myself a little bit better regards Rickie Lambert and why, not just he, but his worshippers frustrate the hell out of me.

 

I don't think Rickie is a bad player and I think he'd still be useful to have around. He's got a great dead ball delivery and of course, will always be a Saints legend.

 

The problem is that unfortunately, his legs really seem to have gone and at times, its literally like playing with 10 men. As I've said before, quality defenders figuring him out has coincided with him looking slower and softer. His goal against Manchester United at the start of last season was one of those goals that you just don't see him scoring anymore, beasting in at the back stick after the ball was hung up in the air and just completely bullying Rafael whilst bashing the header back down across goal.

 

Anyway, like I said, I think he still could have his uses off the bench and of course, I hope his form picks up.

 

My frustration isn't really at Lambert.

 

My frustration is far more towards a certain group of our fans who not only value loyalty before reason, but do so for no other reason than that Rickie is 1) English and 2) a striker (and the guy who scores the goals must be the best player right?).

 

These fans are genuinely, genuinely attempting to make criticism of Lambert punishable by a forum ban and essentially consider any complaint made against him a thoughtcrime. No other player, no matter how vital they are to us, has had that kind of attitude extended towards them. Morgan Schneiderlin has been just as, if not more vital to our team throughout his time here (been here longer than Lambert) and people won't have any qualms about criticising him should he have a poor game (which rarely happens, but you catch my drift).

 

Jos Hooiveld is another one who (whilst he wasn't here as long as Rickie) was easily in our top 3 players from our promotion season and is clearly a great guy to boot; but very quickly after we were promoted, people realised (again, correctly) that he sadly fell into the category of being great in the champo and just wholly inadequete in the Premiership.

 

No other player has been afforded the same protection from criticism as Lambert. No-one.

 

No-one has one rare moment of quality (such as the pass vs Fulham) drawn out as an example of why they should be in the team for the next half a dozen games, no matter how isolated that moment of quality is. Ramirez's pass against West Brom was infinitely more skillful, yet that was dismissed as one moment of quality and the cliches about swallows and summers were drawn out once again (some even bitterly argued it was a fluke)

 

No other player is allowed to have as poor a work rate as Lambert. If Rodriguez waddled around the pitch with his hands on his hips for half the time that Lambert spends doing so people would be slaughtering him.

 

I could go on...

 

Kevin Keegan once said about his time at Saints that neither he, nor his teammates ever had a bad game at home, or put in anything less than 100%; because "the fans wouldn't let them".

 

I think that more-or-less sums up my frustration. Certain fans are letting Lambert have bad, even terrible games, certain fans are letting him put in less than 100%.

 

THAT is why I get a frustrated as I do.

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Having calmed down a bit after last week, I feel I ought to communicate myself a little bit better regards Rickie Lambert and why, not just he, but his worshippers frustrate the hell out of me.

 

I don't think Rickie is a bad player and I think he'd still be useful to have around. He's got a great dead ball delivery and of course, will always be a Saints legend.

 

The problem is that unfortunately, his legs really seem to have gone and at times, its literally like playing with 10 men. As I've said before, quality defenders figuring him out has coincided with him looking slower and softer. His goal against Manchester United at the start of last season was one of those goals that you just don't see him scoring anymore, beasting in at the back stick after the ball was hung up in the air and just completely bullying Rafael whilst bashing the header back down across goal.

 

Anyway, like I said, I think he still could have his uses off the bench and of course, I hope his form picks up.

 

My frustration isn't really at Lambert.

 

My frustration is far more towards a certain group of our fans who not only value loyalty before reason, but do so for no other reason than that Rickie is 1) English and 2) a striker (and the guy who scores the goals must be the best player right?).

 

These fans are genuinely, genuinely attempting to make criticism of Lambert punishable by a forum ban and essentially consider any complaint made against him a thoughtcrime. No other player, no matter how vital they are to us, has had that kind of attitude extended towards them. Morgan Schneiderlin has been just as, if not more vital to our team throughout his time here (been here longer than Lambert) and people won't have any qualms about criticising him should he have a poor game (which rarely happens, but you catch my drift).

 

Jos Hooiveld is another one who (whilst he wasn't here as long as Rickie) was easily in our top 3 players from our promotion season and is clearly a great guy to boot; but very quickly after we were promoted, people realised (again, correctly) that he sadly fell into the category of being great in the champo and just wholly inadequete in the Premiership.

 

No other player has been afforded the same protection from criticism as Lambert. No-one.

 

No-one has one rare moment of quality (such as the pass vs Fulham) drawn out as an example of why they should be in the team for the next half a dozen games, no matter how isolated that moment of quality is. Ramirez's pass against West Brom was infinitely more skillful, yet that was dismissed as one moment of quality and the cliches about swallows and summers were drawn out once again (some even bitterly argued it was a fluke)

 

No other player is allowed to have as poor a work rate as Lambert. If Rodriguez waddled around the pitch with his hands on his hips for half the time that Lambert spends doing so people would be slaughtering him.

 

I could go on...

 

Kevin Keegan once said about his time at Saints that neither he, nor his teammates ever had a bad game at home, or put in anything less than 100%; because "the fans wouldn't let them".

 

I think that more-or-less sums up my frustration. Certain fans are letting Lambert have bad, even terrible games, certain fans are letting him put in less than 100%.

 

THAT is why I get a frustrated as I do.

When has Lambert put in less than 100%? Who has said you should be banned for being critical of Lambert? Who has said we won't try and bring in a new striker this summer? I guarantee we will. Lambert won't go on for ever, but he's been absolutely brilliant for us, a proper hero and he's quite rightly afforded that respect from Saints fans.
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