Sunderland 1 Saints 0 Match Reaction

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I am sure that if we knew more about the management of the young players by Reed we'd understand more easily. In the main these are not first team squad players and therefore they must fall under the command of Reed rather than Pochettino.

 

I don't know how it works but I would like to think that if Pochettino wanted a youth player in his squad he'd be given priority over an U21 game. In fact it'd be arse about face to do anything but that.

[Ohio Saint]

That's prob why we brought on McQueen

 

Had she been registered and half match fit, we would have probably started THE Queen.

[Window Cleaner]

I don't know how it works but I would like to think that if Pochettino wanted a youth player in his squad he'd be given priority over an U21 game. In fact it'd be arse about face to do anything but that.

 

 

But then you'd have to know who choses which young players get a game a which don't. I do not like the Academy first approach myself, obviously we've unearthed some rare talents but there are far too many that don't make the grade and I fear that the illusion that they might is stopping us from signing the players we need. To me if a young player hasn't broken into the frst team squad by the ge of 19 or so then he probably won't make a PL player at all. I honestly have no time for players like Stephens and Turnbull when it's obvious that we're crying out for a decent CB to replace the Dutch Donkey.

[LGTL]

Just in from Newcastle. Still livid. Need to get over it.

[Bearsy]

Sucks when you go to away game + end up in wrong city Feel ur pain bro

[Window Cleaner]

Just in from Newcastle. Still livid. Need to get over it.

 

 

perhaps they have experts there who can help when faced with depression after getting beaten by Sunderland, you'd think they would have wouldn't you, it happens every time.

[eelpie]

I hope MoPo gets to understand how angry we all are. And that the club authorities realise that future cup attendances, especially away ones, will probably now plummet, since they have shown they do not value cup competitions as much as we do. They are all taking fans for granted. How can they expect supporters to take cup campaigns seriously when they don't? The club is having a laugh at our expense. They are only too pleased to fleece us of our hard earned money. It would be nice to think that the club would refund loyal supporters who travelled all the way to Sunderland their expenses. But of course they won't.

[Window Cleaner]

I hope MoPo gets to understand how angry we all are. And that the club authorities realise that future cup attendances, especially away ones, will probably now plummet, since they have shown they do not value cup competitions as much as we do. They are all taking fans for granted. How can they expect supporters to take cup campaigns seriously when they don't? The club is having a laugh at our expense. They are only too pleased to fleece us of our hard earned money. It would be nice to think that the club would refund loyal supporters who travelled all the way to Sunderland their expenses. But of course they won't.

 

Future Cup attendances ? Yesterday's game was watched by 16777 souls in the SOL, of that about 700 were ours and yet nigh on 1100 went to Hull on a Tuesday. The FA Cup is dead as a crowd puller.

No-one cares, this year's final will be between any 2 of Citeh,Arsenal and Everton because they have the squads to handle it.

 

Key players won't give a toss about it anyway because they'll all have far more important fish to fry a couple of weeks further on.

[Graffito]

Thoroughly enjoyed Arsenal v Liverpool. Great match, big crowd, fantastic atmosphere. Total contrast to our fixture yesterday.

[Sour Mash]

Future Cup attendances ? Yesterday's game was watched by 16777 souls in the SOL, of that about 700 were ours and yet nigh on 1100 went to Hull on a Tuesday. The FA Cup is dead as a crowd puller.

No-one cares, this year's final will be between any 2 of Citeh,Arsenal and Everton because they have the squads to handle it.

 

Key players won't give a toss about it anyway because they'll all have far more important fish to fry a couple of weeks further on.

We had more there yesterday than in the league game this season, so your post doesn't make sense.

[Sour Mash]

I see that Everton dispatched Swansea with relative ease today then, so that's:

 

Clubs that had their midweek game postponed 3- Clubs that didn't 0.

 

Travesty of footballing justice really, still never mind "big clubs" always get their own way and do whatever they want.

 

Don't fancy your midweek game ? Never mind find a wobbly chimney or an icy puddle within 30 kilometres of the ground and call the health and safety brigade.

Yeah, that's becasue Everton played a full strength team and came up against a Swansea side resting loads of players for their game versus Napoli this week. Did you watch the Arsenal v Liverpool game and see how much Liverpool bossed that 2nd half? The Liverpool team that played away on Wednesday night.

[beatlesaint]

I dont think foreign managers new to English football actually get the FA Cup. Always strikes me that in Europe the domestic cup comps arent such a big deal.

 

I hope if MP is still here next January he has learnt what it means to fans to get to Wembley.

[Window Cleaner]

Yeah, that's becasue Everton played a full strength team and came up against a Swansea side resting loads of players for their game versus Napoli this week. Did you watch the Arsenal v Liverpool game and see how much Liverpool bossed that 2nd half? The Liverpool team that played away on Wednesday night.

 

 

But Liverpool still lost against a reduced strength Arsenal side right ? I just don't see the difference, a defeat is a defeat

at the end of the day.

[Sour Mash]

But Liverpool still lost against a reduced strength Arsenal side right ? I just don't see the difference, a defeat is a defeat

at the end of the day.

Then you're missing the whole point, which isn't a surprise.

[Window Cleaner]

Then you're missing the whole point, which isn't a surprise.

 

 

OK, but to me winning is winning and losing is losing because at the end of the day that's all that counts in football, especially knock-out competitions.

[Sour Mash]

OK, but to me winning is winning and losing is losing because at the end of the day that's all that counts in football, especially knock-out competitions.

No it's not.

[Dark Munster]

But Liverpool still lost against a reduced strength Arsenal side right ? I just don't see the difference, a defeat is a defeat

at the end of the day.

Defeat when you play your strongest team and try your best = disappointed but not angry

 

Defeat when you don't play your strongest team (with no relegation etc. to worry about) = f**king pissed off

 

HTH

[Leicestersaint]

I hope MoPo gets to understand how angry we all are. And that the club authorities realise that future cup attendances, especially away ones, will probably now plummet, since they have shown they do not value cup competitions as much as we do. They are all taking fans for granted. How can they expect supporters to take cup campaigns seriously when they don't? The club is having a laugh at our expense. They are only too pleased to fleece us of our hard earned money. It would be nice to think that the club would refund loyal supporters who travelled all the way to Sunderland their expenses. But of course they won't.

 

Yes I agree with this - my own Saints email group including several season ticket holders are very angry with the Saints' approach yesterday and with the bull**** that Perez came out with afterwards. We should have picked our strongest side and showed some respect for the supporters and the FA Cup.

[Window Cleaner]

Defeat when you play your strongest team and try your best = disappointed but not angry

 

Defeat when you don't play your strongest team (with no relegation etc. to worry about) = f**king pissed off

 

HTH

 

Liverpool didn't play their strongest side though did they, if they had Henderson would have started instead of Allen, just like

Morgan didn't start for us yesterday, came on in the 2nd half just the same. Allen is obviously a better player than JWP or Guly though and therein lies the difference. Now if they'd started Henderson who knows what they might have done because I've seen Allen roundly criticised today. Arsenal were what about 4 players down on their strongest side as well but their replacements are better than ours, as were Sunderlands. People just need to let this go and accept that our squad is too small and not all of them are good enough.

Edited 16 February, 2014 by Window Cleaner

[Window Cleaner]

And in the wake of all this has one person bothered to wish SRL a happy birthday ? 32 today isn't it.

[SaintRobbie]

MoPo owes the fans an apology.

 

If not then frankly he can leave. I'd rather take my chances with an English management team that gave me hope instead of mediocrity.

[Jonnyboy]

MoPo owes the fans an apology.

 

If not then frankly he can leave. I'd rather take my chances with an English management team that gave me hope instead of mediocrity.

 

Yeah except you may end up with mediocrity and no hope.

[rick1976.4.38]

MoPo owes the fans an apology.

 

If not then frankly he can leave. I'd rather take my chances with an English management team that gave me hope instead of mediocrity.

he never acknowledges the away support,so you've no chance of an apology

[Glasgow_Saint]

MoPo owes the fans an apology.

 

If not then frankly he can leave. I'd rather take my chances with an English management team that gave me hope instead of mediocrity.

 

Im not sure you need to be English.... Just passionate. Look at Poyet (passion) vs mopo (dont care) yesterday

 

 

 

[alehouseboys]

Future Cup attendances ? Yesterday's game was watched by 16777 souls in the SOL, of that about 700 were ours and yet nigh on 1100 went to Hull on a Tuesday. The FA Cup is dead as a crowd puller.

No-one cares, this year's final will be between any 2 of Citeh,Arsenal and Everton because they have the squads to handle it.

 

Key players won't give a toss about it anyway because they'll all have far more important fish to fry a couple of weeks further on.

 

Well, nobody can deny that cup attendances have been poor in recent years for most clubs, for the early rounds anyway, maybe that does send out a message to the clubs. But there were 859 Saints fans up there yesterday, only 225 less than the 1,084 that travelled to Hull a few days before. This for a trip a hundred miles further north, a game that was live on TV and 4am set-off for most with around 12 hours driving ahead. They cared.

 

I've watched City v Chelsea and Arsenal v Liverpool since our game. They cared.

[LostBoys]

So so disappointed

[badgerx16]

Has anybody got any proof that if we had played our 'strongest available' line up yesterday we would definitely have won the match ? As has been stated several times above, we created enough chances to win and failed to convert them. Sh!t happens.

Edited 16 February, 2014 by badgerx16

[Dark Munster]

Has anybody got any proof that if we had played our 'strongest available' line up yesterday we would definitely have won the match ?

No one said we would. But anyone with half a brain knows we would have had a much better chance of at least drawing, especially if we'd rested a few key players against Hull.

[Dark Munster]

Liverpool didn't play their strongest side though did they, if they had Henderson would have started instead of Allen, just like

Morgan didn't start for us yesterday, came on in the 2nd half just the same. Allen is obviously a better player than JWP or Guly though and therein lies the difference. Now if they'd started Henderson who knows what they might have done because I've seen Allen roundly criticised today. Arsenal were what about 4 players down on their strongest side as well but their replacements are better than ours, as were Sunderlands. People just need to let this go and accept that our squad is too small and not all of them are good enough.

Liverpool have CL qualification as a top priority (even an outside chance of winning the league).

 

We have nothing important to play for in the league.

 

HTH

[badgerx16]

No one said we would. But anyone with half a brain knows we would have had a much better chance of at least drawing, especially if we'd rested a few key players against Hull.

 

Rickie should have potted his chance, that would have given us the draw.

[Roger]

Has anybody got any proof that if we had played our 'strongest available' line up yesterday we would definitely have won the match ? As has been stated several times above, we created enough chances to win and failed to convert them. Sh!t happens.

 

Yes I've got proof of it. I have an alternative video of game and we win 4-0, fonte scores then Morgan scores one and j rod scores two.

[DuncanRG]

MoPo owes the fans an apology.

 

If not then frankly he can leave. I'd rather take my chances with an English management team that gave me hope instead of mediocrity.

 

Don't cry, mate.

[Barry Sanchez]

Has anybody got any proof that if we had played our 'strongest available' line up yesterday we would definitely have won the match ? As has been stated several times above, we created enough chances to win and failed to convert them. Sh!t happens.

 

 

Start with Guly and go from there.

[NickG]

MoPo owes the fans an apology.

 

If not then frankly he can leave. I'd rather take my chances with an English management team that gave me hope instead of mediocrity.

 

Other way round would be more rational. We lost after missing three easy chances in a cup tie against a prem side, long away trip bad conditions etc....sh1t happens.

 

This wasn't some reserve team.

 

First choice available defence.

 

Midfield / forward 6 - 4 were first choice.

Disappointed to see JWP for Morgan - but this is player who was being talked about for England, has played 24 (most 26) of our games this season.

I don't know why he was chosen.

Guly replaced JayRod who had a knock / not fully fit.

Taking Lallana off? Not sure why but he sees this as a good tactic, not disrespecting cup, he has down in 50% of his games, maybe McQueen faster or different in some other way?

 

If they weren't 100% MP still bought Morgan and JayRod on for 30mins - decent amount of time to impact game.

 

So which decision should he apologise for? Lallana missing a sitter? Or Lambert's? Or JWPs?

 

Or should he apologise for not insulting those who travelled midweek by resting every one so we could guarantee winning fa cup?

 

I do wonder if some moaning know how arr players are?

[OldNick]

Personally i thought the defaet away at Bolton in the League cup in about 2005 was worse. Strachan was the manager then ,the team had sampled what it was like going to a cup final and Bolton were poor.We lost with a whimper and that was a quarter final.

[Bearsy]

Personally i thought the defaet away at Bolton in the League cup in about 2005 was worse. Strachan was the manager then ,the team had sampled what it was like going to a cup final and Bolton were poor.We lost with a whimper and that was a quarter final.

 

i also wonder what the ferm was like when we lost 4-3 to tranmere that time. i imagine some people was quite annoyed!

[OldNick]

i also wonder what the ferm was like when we lost 4-3 to tranmere that time. i imagine some people was quite annoyed!

i could not sleep that night it was traumatic for me.

[dellboypete]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10640607/Sunderland-v-Southampton-FA-Cup-fifth-round-live.html

 

"Everything that is wrong with the modern day FA Cup came together in one utterly dreadful encounter at the Stadium of Light.

 

"Sunderland made nine changes to their team, and Southampton five. You could perhaps forgive the Mackems, with a League Cup final coming up and a hellish Premier League fixture list over the next few weeks as they attempt to avoid relegation. But what exactly are Southampton protecting? Safe from relegation, unlikely to compete for European places in the league, and with a quality starting 11 capable of having a really good go at winning this competition. You know, winning a cup, winning a medal? Remember that?

 

"Weakened team, limp performance, Sunderland's keeper Ustari had one save to make in the first half, and Rickie Lambert missed from a yard with what will no doubt become a YouTube sensation, but that was it. Now, presumably, the Saints can fully focus on the really important business of finishing midtable in the Premier League. "

 

You probably missed out the best bits (although I think the report has been updated...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10640591/Sunderland-1-Southampton-0-FA-Cup-fifth-round-match-report.html

 

This was the FA Cup at its most mundane. A drab encounter played in front of a paltry crowd which was briefly lit up by a sumptuous strike from Craig Gardner, but best summed up by Rickie Lambert’s horrendous miss................

 

...............Neither side should be proud of their performance. It is games like these that give the FA Cup a bad name..................

[Whitey Grandad]

i also wonder what the ferm was like when we lost 4-3 to tranmere that time. i imagine some people was quite annoyed!

 

What did you have to mention that? My therapist will have another twenty years work now

[DT]

Defeat when you play your strongest team and try your best = disappointed but not angry

 

Defeat when you don't play your strongest team (with no relegation etc. to worry about) = f**king pissed off

 

HTH

this.

am still narked.

watch how we magically get a full strength line-up in the league on Saturday. MoPo must really dislike Cork.

[Cosmic]

Has anybody got any proof that if we had played our 'strongest available' line up yesterday we would definitely have won the match ? As has been stated several times above, we created enough chances to win and failed to convert them. Sh!t happens.

 

Liverpool didn't play their strongest side though did they, if they had Henderson would have started instead of Allen, just like

Morgan didn't start for us yesterday, came on in the 2nd half just the same. Allen is obviously a better player than JWP or Guly though and therein lies the difference. Now if they'd started Henderson who knows what they might have done because I've seen Allen roundly criticised today. Arsenal were what about 4 players down on their strongest side as well but their replacements are better than ours, as were Sunderlands. People just need to let this go and accept that our squad is too small and not all of them are good enough.

 

It pains me that people like you can vote.

[pele]

In football terminology an own goal by Saints, the majority of Saints fans saw this as a fantastic opportunity to get to Wembley.....football died on Saturday, we as consumers will be back but as fans, it has become even more tarnished! Such a shame.

[O_RLY]

No I don't but it should have been something along the lines of wondering why he was on the bench and that old fool was in goal again. Probably wasn't though. We should have ditched Davis 2 years ago when he had some sort of status, why we might have even got a couple of quid for him. Poor keeper, just do not understand why he's still here with years yet on his contract.

 

Some people have no respect to those who played such a vital role in our rise from league 1. Kelvin is one of those who earned his new contract with years of excellent work in the lower leagues when he could have moved to a premier league team he was loyal to us. As club captain he will do a lot for the lads on the training ground and in the dressing room and is a key figure.

 

He isn't out best goalkeeper and some might say he isn't capable backup, however I don't see how you can begrudge someone his contract who did so much for the club and behind the scenes probably still does...

 

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[Ed Rooney]

Make the FA Cup winners one of England Champs League spots and play semi finals not at Wembley, the only way this will get the FA Cup meaning something again. I used to love FA Cup Final day regardless of who was in it. It now means nothing seemingly to any clubs

[Window Cleaner]

Some people have no respect to those who played such a vital role in our rise from league 1. Kelvin is one of those who earned his new contract with years of excellent work in the lower leagues when he could have moved to a premier league team he was loyal to us. As club captain he will do a lot for the lads on the training ground and in the dressing room and is a key figure.

 

He isn't out best goalkeeper and some might say he isn't capable backup, however I don't see how you can begrudge someone his contract who did so much for the club and behind the scenes probably still does...

 

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Too damn right I don't, to me a player who is past it is past it,a player who isn't good enough isn't good enough. I have no sentimentality whatsoever when it comes to football.

Davis should have been ditched 2 years ago and a new keeper brought in at that time. Luckily we got Boruc who was out of contract but it could have been an unmitigated disaster otherwise.

[suewhistle]

Is it safe to comment yet? A bit peed off as I went to the same pub as the last Sunderland away game with the same disappointment that we didn't perform well, so I went on to another pub in the village to console myself and didn't bother to log on afterwards. But without bothering to read them it looks like there has been 11 pages of meltdown, and I can guess the content of many posts. That team could have won, but we do seem to get caught by long range shots. Pity Lambert looked so out of sorts and until later on there didn't seem to be much urgency about our game.

 

Anyway, I'm over it now, and looking on the bright side, good to see another academy debutant.

[NN2 Saint]

I can't really think of a worse display than that since the Liebherr's took over the club. I don't think the management are to blame as much as some others, I just think it was a **** poor display by a lot of players who are far better than there counterparts at Sunderland and just decided not to show up. Really gutting as we did have a great chance in the competition this year. The amount of times we have played Sunderland since promotion and still yet to beat them is shocking

[Dark Munster]

Other way round would be more rational. We lost after missing three easy chances in a cup tie against a prem side, long away trip bad conditions etc....sh1t happens.

 

This wasn't some reserve team.

 

First choice available defence.

 

Midfield / forward 6 - 4 were first choice.

Disappointed to see JWP for Morgan - but this is player who was being talked about for England, has played 24 (most 26) of our games this season.

I don't know why he was chosen.

Guly replaced JayRod who had a knock / not fully fit.

Taking Lallana off? Not sure why but he sees this as a good tactic, not disrespecting cup, he has down in 50% of his games, maybe McQueen faster or different in some other way?

 

If they weren't 100% MP still bought Morgan and JayRod on for 30mins - decent amount of time to impact game.

 

So which decision should he apologise for? Lallana missing a sitter? Or Lambert's? Or JWPs?

 

Or should he apologise for not insulting those who travelled midweek by resting every one so we could guarantee winning fa cup?

 

I do wonder if some moaning know how arr players are?

Nice try, Mauricio, but we aren't buying those excuses.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49079-Sunderland-1-Saints-0-Match-Reaction&p=1884801#post1884801

[badgerx16]

Has anybody got any proof that if we had played our 'strongest available' line up yesterday we would definitely have won the match ? As has been stated several times above, we created enough chances to win and failed to convert them. Sh!t happens.

 

It pains me that people like you can vote.

 

Other people are allowed to have their own opinions, which may differ from yours - it's one of life's little freedoms.

[LGTL]

It isn't the fact we lost that's annoying, it's the fact we didn't give ourselves the best possible chance of winning and feels like we have thrown away our best chance of wembley in over 10 years.