Shanghai Saint Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-southamptons-calum-chambers-3124412 Arsenal targeting another of our emerging stars. Here's a novel idea - why don't they invest these millions they spend on our players in their own Academy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 CC is a huge potential talent How lucky are we to have the two best young English right backs in the league ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 CC is a huge potential talent How lucky are we to have the two best young English right backs in the league ? What he says at 0:50.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYRzl2vm5c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-southamptons-calum-chambers-3124412 Arsenal targeting another of our emerging stars. Here's a novel idea - why don't they invest these millions they spend on our players in their own Academy? they do but not on english players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-southamptons-calum-chambers-3124412 Arsenal targeting another of our emerging stars. Here's a novel idea - why don't they invest these millions they spend on our players in their own Academy? Quite agree, the top 5-6 clubs need to take a hard look at themselves and ask this question, are we winning anything or simply purchasing it; another thing that really gets to me is they seem to think that because of who they are they have the divine right to everything, my reply, get off your lazy fat Axxe and as Shanghai wrote get your own academy working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 Quite agree, the top 5-6 clubs need to take a hard look at themselves and ask this question, are we winning anything or simply purchasing it; another thing that really gets to me is they seem to think that because of who they are they have the divine right to everything, my reply, get off your lazy fat Axxe and as Shanghai wrote get your own academy working. like we purchased promotion from league 1? as for the top cubs buying players instead of their own remind me where sam gallagher came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 like we purchased promotion from league 1? as for the top cubs buying players instead of their own remind me where sam gallagher came from? Plymouth. So what about the others? Or can you only name one? Gallagher was 15/16 when he came to us and still needed a lot of development, he still does, where as the point being made is that most big clubs like to pinch players from clubs like us after all the hard work we do with them,Without really trying to bring through their own talent first. I could understand your point about Gallagher if we were not producing our own too but we are and we have done a lot of work with Gallagher Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 Plymouth. So what about the others? Or can you only name one? Gallagher was 15/16 when he came to us and still needed a lot of development, he still does, where as the point being made is that most big clubs like to pinch players from clubs like us after all the hard work we do with them,Without really trying to bring through their own talent first. I could understand your point about Gallagher of we were not producing our own too but we are and we have done a lot of work with Gallagher Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk I bet burnley fans were saying the same. why not produce our own forward instead of buying their star striker last season. as much as people dont like to hear it. we also pinch players from other clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 Let's hope, then, that Calum notices that we won at Anfield whereas Arsenal just got d1cked 5-1. I do hope this team doesn't get broken up in the summer. Come on lads, give us another couple of years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 The Mirror love trying to sell our players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 Just over a year ago the London media hold us that arsenal were going to take Luke off our hands for £5M. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255426/Arsenal-talk-Southampton-Luke-Shaw-transfer.html EXCLUSIVE: Arsenal step up pursuit of £5m-rated Shaw ......Wenger and his chief scout Steve Rowley knew they had to have Shaw - tipped to be even better than Bale - as soon as they first saw him. Arsenal saw a summer offer rejected by Saints chairman Nicola Cortese, .... Whether he can resist Arsenal’s advances this month remains to be seen ..... £5m what a joke ! I think they will be doubling (and more) the £10M for Calum Chambers before long ? Where to the London media get their valuations from ? some FM game or a dodgy web site or 2 blokes talking down the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 I bet burnley fans were saying the same. why not produce our own forward instead of buying their star striker last season. as much as people dont like to hear it. we also pinch players from other clubs Yep, every club will try and buy decent players from those below them. We're no different in that. It makes me think where Luke Shaw would have been in terms of his development had we managed to clinch the signing of Alex Buttner before Man U came in for him at the start of last season. Would he have developed as much. So looking at full backs that are developed and bought in, that provokes the question if you had to sell one of Nat Clyne or Calum Chambers - who would you sell and who would you keep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 I bet burnley fans were saying the same. why not produce our own forward instead of buying their star striker last season. as much as people dont like to hear it. we also pinch players from other clubs because we rejected them and they are now playing for Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 like we purchased promotion from league 1? as for the top cubs buying players instead of their own remind me where sam gallagher came from? Yes you have a good point, however, we had been in admin and the plan was to get back to the premiership as quickly as possible, with that done we are aiming to make up 50% of the first team with academy players, Gallagher, yes we got him from Plymouth I believe, but he was only sixteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 like we purchased promotion from league 1? as for the top cubs buying players instead of their own remind me where sam gallagher came from? Once again ...you appear to have an axe to grind... FFS why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 (edited) I bet burnley fans were saying the same. why not produce our own forward instead of buying their star striker last season. as much as people dont like to hear it. we also pinch players from other clubs Once again you appear to be against the mighty Saints:p....Do you have a problem with our great team? Whoever you are get on the bus..or go back to Guz or Pompey or wherever your boat is.. Please say something nice about us...at least once or even twice FFS:mcinnes: Looks like I owe you an apology Batman or whatever your name is??? Just been told you are a WUM like several others of your group:rolleyes: Having looked at some of your posts...decided it is just a little game you play:mcinnes: Please accept my apologies before I get any more points deducted;) Problem is I am a happy clapper and have to allow you little boyz allowances..REGARDLESS of your whining:D and not let my frustrations get the better of me.. Bet you are oooodles of fun in your messdeck..jolly jack:D Edited 9 February, 2014 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 February, 2014 Share Posted 9 February, 2014 Once again you appear to be against the mighty Saints:p....Do you have a problem with our great team? Whoever you are get on the bus..or go back to Guz or Pompey or wherever your boat is.. Please say something nice about us...at least once or even twice FFS:mcinnes: Looks like I owe you an apology Batman or whatever your name is??? Just been told you are a WUM like several others of your group:rolleyes: Having looked at some of your posts...decided it is just a little game you play:mcinnes: Please accept my apologies before I get any more points deducted;) Problem is I am a happy clapper and have to allow you little boyz allowances..REGARDLESS of your whining:D and not let my frustrations get the better of me.. Bet you are oooodles of fun in your messdeck..jolly jack:D Ignore him -he simmers with self-righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 The Mirror love trying to sell our players Think the Mail have sold even more of our team. There is one player that is never mentioned and that really surprises me. Not going to mention his name, but Man U need to replace Vidic with someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Think the Mail have sold even more of our team. There is one player that is never mentioned and that really surprises me. Not going to mention his name, but Man U need to replace Vidic with someone. This worried me. But would Man U fans accept signing little Southampton players? They'll demand they sign stars to make up for such a poor season (by their standards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Not sure that they would worry about that. He's the right age (8 years younger than Vidic), done very well this season. What's better - take a risk on someone who has never played PL but is a big name, or take someone from a smaller club who has proven (albeit just 20 odd games so far) that they can hack it? There's all this talk about Shaw, AL, Cork, JRod, RL and now Chambers - that's fine. It's the players that aren't mentioned that concerns me as I think that we have 3 that would suit a club like Man U (but more realistically 2) both in the back 4. Hell they could take our entire back line, put in another decent CB and that would look pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Obviously it's a given that you're completely wrong. I don't recall Saints spending £10m+ on many teenagers. It's not just our players, if CL clubs keep buying up the young talent then there's little future for other clubs. Yes they can spend the money, but longer term they know if they get anywhere the success will be slapped back down by the bigger clubs. It can't last, because most football fans in this country don't support the CL clubs. They need to have some hope and some sense of fair play. Something has to change, already fans have lost all patience and loyalty with managers, owners and players. Who can blame them when they're paying a fortune to watch multi-millionaires. The Chelsea situation annoys me most. Just buy up any young talent in case it becomes good enough, if not never mind, just stop anyone else getting it. How many players have they got out on loan? It's 25+ isn't it? For a start the same league loaning needs to be outlawed, but perhaps something needs to be done about ownership with no intention to play. Perhaps fines for certain levels of spending on players that don't play. Arsenal, MU, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs could all be improved by Shaw, Chambers or Clyne. But are fans really supposed to be happy seeing £50m coming in? Do we get any of that or benefit in any way? Ultimately I'd love to see an actual limit on annual signings. Why not just ban loans completely? We're proving that young players don't HAVE to go on loan lower down the leagues before they get a chance in the top flight. If Chelsea's young players are good enough, play them. If not, sell them. The Lukaku situation is farcical and the Courtois one isn't much different. 25 players out on loan is just ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Why not just ban loans completely? We're proving that young players don't HAVE to go on loan lower down the leagues before they get a chance in the top flight. If Chelsea's young players are good enough, play them. If not, sell them. The Lukaku situation is farcical and the Courtois one isn't much different. 25 players out on loan is just ridiculous Banning loans is a terrible idea, it would just stagnate the development of youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Think the Mail have sold even more of our team. There is one player that is never mentioned and that really surprises me. Not going to mention his name, but Man U need to replace Vidic with someone. I doubt they'd be interested in Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 I don't immediately see how? As it stands, Chelsea are hoovering up young talent and shipping them out on loan, getting lower league clubs to develop them as players and then when they come back they decide if they're good enough. Invariably they aren't and they just repeat the process. How does that help young players rather than joining those lower league clubs permanently? Best example is Josh McEachran. He's been on loan to 4 different clubs now in the last 2 seasons. Is that really helping him? Is he ever going to break into the Chelsea team? I would have thought he'd be better off getting a permanent move somewhere so that he can get himself a bit more settled and then maybe you might see some of his talent on display more consistently. If, after that, he proves himself as ready for the premier league, he gets sold for a decent fee and the said club get properly compensated for developing the player. Courtois - Bought for 7 million, sent on loan within a couple of weeks and receiving a 1 million fee from Atletico for it and is now being linked with a 20 million move to Real Madrid. He hasn't played a single minute of football for Chelsea's first team and yet they stand to potentially make a massive profit on him. I don't see how that is good for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 A fun game is to take your opinion, then say the opposite so that delldays comes along and accidentally agrees with your real opinion. I say 'fun'.... I actually like Batman....but think he has spent too much time submerged in that boat of his:D...OR was it catering for all those lovely Pompey Wrens in barracks:p Hopefully we can eventually make him see sense and give up on Argyle and support the mighty Saints.. OR was it Pompey? You can never tell with a Wildern schoolboy.....half of them support Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 I doubt they'd be interested in Jos. Spot on. Yoshida though .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Would it though? It might mean youngsters just don't sign for the big clubs, they'll go where they know they can get a chance and stay there. Mix it with rules about needed home developed players in your match day squad and youngsters will get more of a chance at big clubs anyway. In some way football has to change. Clubs can't keep running up high debts and increasing wages all the time and fans can't keep taking the price hikes. Interest in the whole thing will decline if it carries on like this. I'd suggest a major overhaul of financial fair play, at least 5 home grown players in the squad of 25 and 3 in the match day squad. No same league loans, an end to the league cup, an end to the Europa league, an extra CL place for the winners of each domestic cup, reinvigorating that, and a more sensible approach to ticket pricing. It might seem fine to aim at the richer people while things are good, but most of them will abandon you when things aren't so good. If fans think tickets are fair and can afford them, kids and people on average wages will keep going whatever league we're in. But lose access to the best coaches and facilities, clubs may be reluctant to let their academy players go for nothing and smaller clubs won't be able to afford transfer fees so the loan system is a boon there. I agree about same league loans though, those are a load of rubbish and managers are abusing the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Definitely shouldnt be allowed to loan players in the same division IMO. Ban all loans to the same league or above, and if they have to go on loan, they have to drop a division. If these clubs knew that they weren't going to develop, maybe they would join a 'smaller' club and actually play more. Look at players like Rodwell, and Sinclair at Man City, been ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 so why don't we sign Jones, Januzaj then? the last two too old time we started to bid for players from the so called top clubs, put a few rumours out that we are interested in their players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 so why don't we sign Jones, Januzaj then? the last two too old time we started to bid for players from the so called top clubs, put a few rumours out that we are interested in their players Absolutely. Who is Arsenals best young player? Lets bid for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 Absolutely. Who is Arsenals best young player? Lets bid for him. Exactly, lets go and have a look around Arsenals acadamy and offer their best player a place in our acadamy. He is far more likely to break through here and become a better player then at Arsenals acadamy. Adriansfc also makes a good point regarding loans for young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 Exactly, lets go and have a look around Arsenals acadamy and offer their best player a place in our acadamy. He is far more likely to break through here and become a better player then at Arsenals acadamy. Adriansfc also makes a good point regarding loans for young players. Look at Patrick Bamford - he destroyed us when playing for Forest against our youth team - went to Chelsea then out to MK I think and now at Derby. Will never play for Chelsea ....one I think we should go for in the summer great potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 Look at Patrick Bamford - he destroyed us when playing for Forest against our youth team - went to Chelsea then out to MK I think and now at Derby. Will never play for Chelsea ....one I think we should go for in the summer great potential. Just like Josh Mceachran, wasnt to long ago Chelsea fans were saying he was the next big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 LOL - it would be interesting to see what would happen if we tried signing the big clubs' youth. Certainly if I was a parent to one of these kids, I would seriously have to consider SFC given how we like to bring on youth and how they are doing and have done in the past. What would you want for your son - to be a bench warmer if even that at the likes of Chelsea (and then out on loan with who ever) or a youngster who if good enough will get a chance at Southampton? This season we have had 5 players who were 18/19 (LS, CC, JWP, Sam G, HReed) plus 3 others in the League Cup. Plus Clyne, Big Vic & Gazza at 22, Gaston at 23, Morgan, Lovren, JRod & Cork at 24 While we might have lost out on a sell on clause for Bale, who gets more credit for his development - us or Spurs? In the long run that might count in our favour. Same with Walcott and Chamberlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-southamptons-calum-chambers-3124412 Arsenal targeting another of our emerging stars. Here's a novel idea - why don't they invest these millions they spend on our players in their own Academy? absolutely typical - isn't it. Some behind the scenes gossip suddenly becomes A bid from Arsenal....(an illegal approach ..or just tipping their toe in the water?) These "hacks " haven't bothered to keep upto date with everything and think the sun shines through the orifices of the Emirates and Stamford Bridge. Our owner is a billionairess...and even in the unlikely event of the club changing ownership, it would take a multi-millionaire to buy and run it successfully. In short ...we don't need their money, and certainly wouldn't part with any of our top players for such paltry sums. We may have a good first team, but we need a bench with equal amounts of talent in the event of suspensions, long-term injuries (such as we've had in the last three months). I haven't read of many dissenting voices from the first team squad - have you?. Osvaldo wanted out ..and I for one.. am pleased that we obliged. We want a good attitude in the dressing room, not moaners. Yoshida has gone on record as saying he's never considered leaving ....and Jack Cork is in precisely because he's the ideal person in Victor's absence....and Victor will find it hard to get back in so soon. Calum Chambers is just another of our new talents and I think he enjoys the rivalry with Nat Clyne for the RB spot, and doesn't seem at all concerned, and with Arsenal threatening to let the moths out of their wallet is not impressing anyone at SMS. The "story / non-story " of a last-minute bid of £5 million for Morgan was so laughable as not to be true. If ANYONE leaves the Saints - they won't go cheaply either. The Mirror....and those other tabloids who serve as the Prem's " lackies " have sold most of our squad three times over since August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 In truth would any of us stay at Saints if offered huge signing on fee and mega wages ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 In truth would any of us stay at Saints if offered huge signing on fee and mega wages ? It depends on what floats your boat - being a high earning bench warmer or playing for what is still a goodly wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalneSaint Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 As some of said already same league loans should not be allowed..... As for these bids coming in for our youngsters,the question I have is, if clubs agree a fee, does the player concerned have to go if he still has a contract? As I am of the belief that most youngsters want to play football all the time, and it would appear that ours are doing just that. Also the likes of LS have only just committed themselves to long term contracts, which would suggest that they have bought in to "the vision" for the future...... Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 February, 2014 Share Posted 11 February, 2014 It depends on what floats your boat - being a high earning bench warmer or playing for what is still a goodly wage. Plus it depends where you come from and what you want from life. If you love peace and quite and the great out doors, I imagine if Newcastle came knocking, then you might be off. The bright lights and then any London club should be able to accommodate. Etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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