Andy Durman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 We really could do with a winger to come on and give us a different dimension How about Chambers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 How about Chambers? No. Clyne was against a really good winger and hardly got beaten and had two men on him. Chambers wouldn't have done better. For me big Vic could have played as we missed physical presence. Gaston has got something the others haven't got. Ability to play a through ball and we need someone in summer to run onto thru balls. Gallagher is going to be good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Nothing. Oddball posted it. Oh and here we go. The season isn't over, 8th place would be great and we are in fifth round of cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Disappointed that Clyne and Shaw didn't go outside their full backs enough... Were too keen on playing it safe and coming back inside...played into Stoke's hands.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Not our best performance, but it's difficult to get too disappointed. We're going to be safe in the league, and I won't be overly upset when we lose on Tuesday, as long as we beat Sunderland in the cup. Last week we had 3 forward players who should all go to Brazil, this week we're questioning why a striker wasn't signed in the transfer window. Typical knee jerk reaction on here as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Funny game , like a 0-0 draw but with goals. Apart from Lambert's quality free kick, it was a robust workmanlike defensive performance from Stoke with Saints needing a Ramirez run to open them up. Be grateful we don't have to watch Stoke every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Wrong! If you watch the referee brought back play for the foul made before the Yoshida tackle. Watch again if you can and you will clearly see the ref informing the players. Jesus Durman I've already had to edit the post once after incorrectly stating Yoshida was booked, now you inform me it was not even a free kick against him! Away with you pedant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Predictable. We had plenty of bodies in the middle of the field so as Adam was their only creator he should have been constantly pressured instead of having all the time in the world to pick out Odemwingie. Loads of meaningless low tempo square and back passes, ridiculous across the back square passes under pressure very nearly getting us into trouble. The balls we put into the forwards lacked pace so played into Stoke's hands. We were never going to be able to get Stoke to allow us to play our game as they just allowed us to play sideways and backwards in front of them then hit the front first time when they won the ball. It was crying out for Shaw and Clyne to get to the byeline not come inside. We had to knock any crosses in with pace. The midfielders in games like this need to run at the defenders and the forwards make runs, today there was a lack of movement up front. The tempo was far too slow. Yes. Thanks. Saved me a lot of typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Meeehh. Average game, quality strike from SRL. Stoke spoiled and hustled. Forgotten most of it already. Next please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Not our best performance, but it's difficult to get too disappointed. We're going to be safe in the league, and I won't be overly upset when we lose on Tuesday, as long as we beat Sunderland in the cup. Last week we had 3 forward players who should all go to Brazil, this week we're questioning why a striker wasn't signed in the transfer window. Typical knee jerk reaction on here as usual not knee jerk all 3 should go to brazil and we should have replaced osvaldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Funny game , like a 0-0 draw but with goals. Apart from Lambert's quality free kick, it was a robust workmanlike defensive performance from Stoke with Saints needing a Ramirez run to open them up. Be grateful we don't have to watch Stoke every week. Perfect summing up. On to the next game please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Stoke played well. Achieved their aim and worked hard. Saints still deserved the win. We miss having an attacking midfielder we can bring on to change a game and need to be prepared to run at defences. We also simply MUST keep the ball down in such conditions and against big strong sides like Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 The conditions stopped us playing how we would of liked - maybe I'm being overly generous. Everything went through the middle, it was very one dimensional and we hardly got a cross in from the flanks. Jay R had a shocker but these things happen. One good goal from either side and one fluke. Maybe I'm being disingenuous to Stoke as I haven't seen a reply of theirs but I'm guessing we should have done better. Was it a ricochet or a 'clean' gaol from Crouch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Yes, yes he was. Brilliant tackle 2nd half - as perfectly timed as you will ever see - and free kick was awarded against him No it wasn't against him The free-kick was for an earlier foul in the centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 An opportunity missed but given the circumstances of the game (conditions, a few players not 'on it', and a lack of options from the bench due to injury and absence) then I think a point is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Jesus Durman I've already had to edit the post once after incorrectly stating Yoshida was booked, now you inform me it was not even a free kick against him! Away with you pedant. I'd prefer Andy. Sorry just saying what I saw. I too was at first frustrated as it was a fantastic tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 No. Clyne was against a really good winger and hardly got beaten and had two men on him. Chambers wouldn't have done better. For me big Vic could have played as we missed physical presence. Gaston has got something the others haven't got. Ability to play a through ball and we need someone in summer to run onto thru balls. Gallagher is going to be good too. No I'm referring to Chambers coming on for the last 10 minutes as an example of a wing back replacing a wing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 I'd prefer Andy. Sorry just saying what I saw. I too was at first frustrated as it was a fantastic tackle. Ok Andy, no need to apologise, I've just had a mare what with first saying it was a booking then a foul against Yoshida and it was neither!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 I'd have liked to have seen Isgrove given 10 mins at the end. If I remember aright from preseason, he has astonishing pace. We needed to shake things up somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 No I am not. I am normally very positive as the Dalek is as negative as can be. I feel very offended now! That is true. But the Dalek will one day be proven correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 That is true. But the Dalek will one day be proven correct. Well he'd better hurry up, I'll be 65 in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 It's strange, we are apparently pathological with our preparations to an extent Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery would be proud with. We've laid out an entire pitch at Staplewood with the same grass seed they have at the Emirates and when we do away games we take our own mattresses and vacuum the radiators. Despite all this stuff our game plan for this game seems to be hoof it ling at Ryan f**king Shawcross. It's the same plan which worked so well against Samba and QPR last year. I don't know, the players just didn't look like they wanted it at times. The ball would run back to Boruc and you would see 6 or 7 players casually strolling forward out of the penalty area, rather than busting a gut to stretch them on the break. If ever there was a game to keep it on the deck and play short, direct passes surely it was today. Stoke were well worth the point. Normally when we go 1 goal up at home to a poor team, they have to come at us and it works to our advantage as we hit them with pace and numbers on the counter. Today though we just sat back, let them come at us and didn't bother with any 50/50s or 2nd tackles. That early goal should have spurred us on and tired them out chasing the game away from home but it just didn't pan out that way. Thought Clyne had a very poor game and I don't remember Shaw taking his man on properly until the 82nd minute. I think we missed Wanyama at times in the middle and the front 4 were pretty quiet most of the game. P.S. Crouch is a kn*b. Surely the FA will look at that kick he had at Fonte in front of the Northam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Felt like "one of those" games. Needed someone making runs from midfield or a striker working on defenders shoulders to force them turning their heads a bit and we had neither... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Dour, dour game, not helped by our utter refusal to get our fullbacks in behind theirs. Shaw was doing my nut by coming inside when he clearly had the beating of *name I can't spell*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Very disappointing and very frustrating. I wish Stoke would get relegated so we don't have to watch them again. Mourinho is right, how can this be the best league in the world with teams like Stoke involved? Everything that is wrong with English football was on display today from the team from up north. Jack Cork probably MotM today but few really played well. Luke Shaw missing all day and Clyne all at sea. One to forget but if Stoke visit next season I'll be staying away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Very disappointing and very frustrating. I wish Stoke would get relegated so we don't have to watch them again. Mourinho is right, how can this be the best league in the world with teams like Stoke involved? Everything that is wrong with English football was on display today from the team from up north. Jack Cork probably MotM today but few really played well. Luke Shaw missing all day and Clyne all at sea. One to forget but if Stoke visit next season I'll be staying away.Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry to pick on yours being that last one on show at the time - but there was nothing wrong with Stoke and the way they played.....unless you are attempting to be ironic. Getting frustrated at the fact that we didn't win and then blaming it on the away team's tactics is completely daft IMHO. They did a great job at getting what they needed from the game, and who can blame them for that? They were not very adventurous in the second half, but that was because we penned them back. Nevertheless, they still managed to defend really well and restrict our chances. Tough luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Stoke deserved their draw. Same old problem for Saints. Can't break down teams that defend deep and in numbers. Possession football is the way to play but it comes down to quality on the ball and we didn't have it today. Lallana wasn't on his game (they did a job on him) and without Ramirez or any pace to call on we looked very predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Oh and if somebody called Gloria, surname Osman or Osmond I think, or anyone that knows her reads this forum, I found your season ticket in St Mary's St before the match. Assume you were on your way to SMS so you are probably £25 lighter by now but should you need your original ST back, I handed it into the Ticket Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Generally a very poor performance by Saints - and complete lack of plan B by Pochettino. He only used one sub - should have really gone at them in the second half - but very lame and limp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Generally a very poor performance by Saints - and complete lack of pan B by Pochettino. He only used one sub - should have really gone at them in the second half - but very lame and limp. but he did go at them in the 2nd half. for long periods we were camped in their half just lacked good players from the bench to change it its ok though. we did not need to replace osvlado (apparently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Generally a very poor performance by Saints - and complete lack of plan B by Pochettino. He only used one sub - should have really gone at them in the second half - but very lame and limp. What sub do you think he should´ve made? Not much from the bench today that would have improved the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Generally a very poor performance by Saints - and complete lack of plan B by Pochettino. He only used one sub - should have really gone at them in the second half - but very lame and limp. This "plan B" cliche is so overused and is frankly meaningless - usually raised as a throwaway reason for not winning (or losing) a game by somebody who has no idea what a plan B would look like if it walked up and slapped them in the face (not saying you are one of those btw). What subs would you have made to change the course of the (one-way traffic) second half - out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 We could have done better with the 11 on the pitch. Everything was down the middle, completely predictable and Shawcross moped most of it up with ease. Could have been different if Clyne and Shaw and the midfield for that matter had tried to get down the wings and get a couple of crosses over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2014 but he did go at them in the 2nd half. for long periods we were camped in their half just lacked good players from the bench to change it its ok though. we did not need to replace osvlado (apparently) Change the f*cking record will you Delldays. Osvaldo needed to be shipped out for the good of the team and we didn't have enough of the transfer window left to tie up a deal for a replacement. Build a bridge... get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Change the f*cking record will you Delldays. Osvaldo needed to be shipped out for the good of the team and we didn't have enough of the transfer window left to tie up a deal for a replacement. Well, we did. He headbutted Fonte with more than a week left of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Well, we did. He headbutted Fonte with more than a week left of the window. Who? I keep hearing "we should have got a striker" but who should we have got? Not a single soul has actually said who we could have just gone and bought that would have actually added to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Who? I keep hearing "we should have got a striker" but who should we have got? Not a single soul has actually said who we could have just gone and bought that would have actually added to the squad. its not our job to suggest players we apparently have scouts all over the world if palace can get ince, then we could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 We could have done better with the 11 on the pitch. Everything was down the middle, completely predictable and Shawcross moped most of it up with ease. Could have been different if Clyne and Shaw and the midfield for that matter had tried to get down the wings and get a couple of crosses over. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Well, we did. He headbutted Fonte with more than a week left of the window. You think a week is a suitable length of time to identify a suitable player, negotiate terms with the club/player/agent and tie up a deal? Our transfer procedures just don't work like that, and any move we would have made in such a manner would have been purely out of desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 its not our job to suggest players we apparently have scouts all over the world if palace can get ince, then we could have. Cop out answer. All I hear is spoiled brats stamping their feet because their teams didn't go and buy a striker but when asked who they are totally incapable of answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 (edited) You think a week is a suitable length of time to identify a suitable player, negotiate terms with the club/player/agent and tie up a deal? Our transfer procedures just don't work like that, and any move we would have made in such a manner would have been purely out of desperation. yes. also, why is signing a player in a designated transfer window seen as desperation? I would like to think we have tabs on countless players all of the time. in dialogue with various clubs all of the time even a loan signing would have been better than nothing we simply do not have the quality/depth to maintain a top 10 finish and go and win the cup. Edited 8 February, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Well, we did. He headbutted Fonte with more than a week left of the window. No we didn't. We do our homework on our transfer targets; watch them play, send out scouts, prepare dossiers, analyse videos etc. We probably spend weeks or months tracking players. We've probably looked at hundreds that never even made the public attention. Clearly none of the targets we've scouted were available at the right price. Panic buying players at the end of the January transfer window is how you end up spending £35m on Andy Carroll. This isn't Football Manager. You don't just search for a player with good stats and click 'place bid'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 We lack that final penetration up front if Adam is off his game and today was one of those days. He wasn't bad but just not his usual exceptional and so we seem to lack ideas if he's off colour. Cork worked his socks off as ever and Morgan is just superb. Unbelievable weather - we don't often get wet in our seats!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Well, we did. He headbutted Fonte with more than a week left of the window. Well perhaps the club decided that we were safe for this season and we would go with what we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Yes it is so easy to just get players in, go out there and it will all take care of itself... Just look at Arsenal, Liverpool and others.... oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Yes it is so easy to just get players in, go out there and it will all take care of itself... Just look at Arsenal, Liverpool and others.... oh... No, no, no. We should have bought someone. I don't know who but we should have got anybody. I reckon I spotted a bargain on FM13 and signed him easy so it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 No, no, no. We should have bought someone. I don't know who but we should have got anybody. I reckon I spotted a bargain on FM13 and signed him easy so it can be done. Cherno Samba? Just what we needed today I think, the original FM "wonder kid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Well, 15 clubs bought players in during January. Anyhow. We are where we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2014 yes. also, why is signing a player in a designated transfer window seen as desperation? I would like to think we have tabs on countless players all of the time. in dialogue with various clubs all of the time even a loan signing would have been better than nothing we simply do not have the quality/depth to maintain a top 10 finish and go and win the cup. How do you know we didn't try? How do you know we didn't make some offers that were rejected because the selling clubs were aware how eagerly we wanted to offload Osvaldo and jacked up the asking price? If we had signed a player for way more than he was worth because of that scenario, it perfectly fits the definition of a 'desperate' signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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