Turkish Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Oh dear. Fc getting very bitter now nasty nic has had the heave Ho! FC has taken this all very hard Hypo. He reminds me of the little child whose parents promise to take him to legoland during the school holidays but on the day they are meant to go it is pouring with rain and the weather is just so bad that they cant go. The little boys doesnt understand what has gone wrong and why they cant go, he cries and cries and cries, stamping his feet and sulking saying that his parents had broken their promises and whatever anyone says to him he is inconsolable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Don't worry guys. It does not matter what happens with MP. We have been assured by the forum elite/gobshietes/Trolls etc that everything will be so much better now that Benali can once again walk through the SMS corridors' date=' the parking fees have been axed and the 'nasty Italian Dwarf' has gone.[/quote'] Hopefully MP will show some degree of Benali style loyalty unlike Mr Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I wouldn't be too worried about what happens to MP. Weren't we once told that managers are just department heads and not really all that important in the grand scheme of things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Don't worry guys, whilst crying myself to sleep over the loss of NC, I console myself knowing that whatever happens there are wise and knowledgable dedicated football posters, full of humour, wit and intellect such as Turks and Hypo to keep me happy... What happens to Saints matters not, whilst these two Jasper's keep us all entertained... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 If he does go we should go all out to get Marcelo Bielsa in, the man he learnt it all from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 You don't need to be a 'football person' to have common sense... Cortese wasn't a 'football' person. Complete fallacy that this is a prerequisite to run a football club....it's business decisions at the end of the day. Katherine does not take the team for training does she and doesn't decide on whether it's 442 or 4411 but she is obviously a very good business woman so let's leave her to run the club and stop pretending that football people always know best- they don't ! Why is it obvious? There is absolutely no evidence to support this statement, in fact there is rather more evidence to support the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Makes appointing a CEO rather urgent if this scenario is true. They have appointed Gareth Rogers as CEO. In terim but no reason to suppose this won't be long term. Why is it obvious? There is absolutely no evidence to support this statement, in fact there is rather more evidence to support the opposite. I don't know. She seems to have done pretty well with her fathers business since his unfortunate demise. From the sounds of what Poch said today he hasn't spoken a lot about the future of the club, or his future with the hierarchy That's not what he said. He said he has not sat down and spoken at length with Katharina. He did imply that we need to let the club go through the changes (at the top) before having those discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 And for the time being he's still nearer the start of his contract than the end. Football Managers' contracts are hardly worth the paper on which they're printed. Bad results...manager gets sacked contract or no contract, good results and a "bigger" club comes calling..manager fecks off.. Contracts only determine the compensation either way. In which case they probably are worth the paper on which they are printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 All of the Mali business's have since been liquidated since Marcus passed. She has done well to be born into a wealthy and successful family, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I don't know. She seems to have done pretty well with her fathers business since his unfortunate demise. Not really - Mali no longer exists to all intents and purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 (edited) I wouldn't be too worried about what happens to MP. Weren't we once told that managers are just department heads and not really all that important in the grand scheme of things? No we shouldn't be too worried. You also told us that there wasn't much difference between MP and NA. Edited 7 February, 2014 by shurlock :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 You hilariously stated that Adkins would sign Rhodes, I pointed out this would be an improvement on who pochettino brought in Ossie was a better player but a headcase Rhodes wouldnt fit the system Both would be poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 No we shouldn't be too worried. You also told us that there wasn't much difference between MP and NA. He was just a department head too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 He was just a department head too Think you'll find NA was just Temporary Supervisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 (edited) The owners of the club are almost certainly well aware that the value of their investment depends on the performance of the club and its growing public exposure in terms of commercial deals. They will be weighing up the benefits of going ahead with Poch or without him and they will take what they believe to be the best action to protect their investment. Poch also has advisers who will make him aware of his value and he will be asking for a particular deal. I do not think our owners are sitting idly on the side lines with no discussions or plans. As fans we can do nothing else but wait and see if negotiations are ultimately successful or not and what unfolds as a result. Edited 7 February, 2014 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Why is it obvious? There is absolutely no evidence to support this statement, in fact there is rather more evidence to support the opposite. She has the money and the people around her to ensure she has top of the range advisors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 The owners of the club are almost certainly well aware that the value of their investment depends on the performance of the club and its growing public exposure in terms of commercial deals. They will be weighing up the benefits of doing ahead with Poch or without him and they will take what they believe to be the best action to protect their investment. Poch also has advisers who will make him aware of his value and he will be asking for a particular deal. I do not think our owners are sitting idly on the side lines with no discussions or plans. As fans we can do nothing else but wait on the side lines and see if negotiations are ultimately successful or not and what unfolds as a result. Dude, you need to get down Barasti more - you are starting to talk far too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 He was just a department head too A department head who did as well as MP with the same bunch of players if we are to believe you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 This will have to be resolved from the top down. 1. Ownership 2. Directors 3. Management 4. Playing staff All will be resolved in the summer. Poch could come out and say he wants to stay, but if the club is sold and the new owners want to bring in X as the new manager, Poch's commitment will be irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 A department head who did as well as MP with the same bunch of players if we are to believe you Did you know 6 of your last 7 posts have been about me or in reply to me. That's pretty odd behaviour considering I've not been on here much this week. You also seem to have memorised every post I've ever made. Will take some going to trump last weeks trawling of the internet to find a post, which wasn't even on this forum and then totally take it out of context to try and prove some point you were making that didn't exist, but the level of obsession is quite flattering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 If you give a guy a three year contract why do you need to start renegotiating a new one 12 months into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 If you give a guy a three year contract why do you need to start renegotiating a new one 12 months into it? Well as far as I can gather it's to reassure the "fans" that the new management mean to develop the club and not sell us to the highest bidding Far East whack job come May. As Mauricio said himself, he's got a contract up until the end of next season and there's no rush over a new one. That's the trouble with "fans", the more you pander to them, the more they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Well as far as I can gather it's to reassure the "fans" that the new management mean to develop the club and not sell us to the highest bidding Far East whack job come May. As Mauricio said himself, he's got a contract up until the end of next season and there's no rush over a new one. That's the trouble with "fans", the more you pander to them, the more they want. It also smacks of desperate girlfriend / boyfriend trying to set the wedding date before they change their mind. Thats not the way to inspire confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 it's no good Bearsy. Like Americans they just dont do irony! So says the parochial "Village Idiot" from Kings Heath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Anyone who says Americans don't do irony is rather silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Gather round for another bedwetters' hoedown... Indeed and surely must still be reeling from our meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Makes appointing a CEO rather urgent if this scenario is true. YES ........except that no-one is likely to be appointed until the accountants have finished auditing the books. Cortese has been signing everything himself for 4 years, (not suggesting he did anything wrong), but KL and the new CEO would want everything checked and above board before taking over..I would ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 I wouldn't be too worried about what happens to MP. Weren't we once told that managers are just department heads and not really all that important in the grand scheme of things? Lol at you for being too daft to understand what was meant by that statement.... It's not about the individual if the systems and process are in place to ensure continuity of approach... Same as it's not about NC, but about the strategy and drive he brought - that continues, no problem, style of play continues, no problem, drive and aspiration continues, no problem... Unlike you sad few who seem happy to accept anything provided nasty Nic is out the picture and Frannie can get his carpet back in his bathroom, I am less convinced that come summer we will continue in the upward direction we have seen these last few years- Happy to be proven wrong, but not convinced I will be.... I just just find it pretty funny ( though sad is probably closer) that's a few years ago, the 'mob/ biggest mouths' were so against Lowe for NOT showing any ambition.... With anything good he did brushed under the carpet as an irrelevance... The same mob are then so critical of NC for daring to show some with the trivial things suddenly becoming so important.... The only time this mob was fleetingly happy was when Wilde took control.... And we all know how that turned out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 From the sounds of what Poch said today he hasn't spoken a lot about the future of the club, or his future with the hierarchy. Is this not a little worrying, amidst talk of interest in him from other teams? I know he said he was relaxed about it, which understandable considering his position. Saints however, should not be relaxed. They should be trying all they can to tie him down longer term. In football you can quickly gain and quickly lose momentum, and whilst things on the pitch are good, drifting off it will quickly catch up with you. "Its a period of reorganisation", he said. Lets hope its a quick one. If were him... I'd steer clear of that sort of issue until the end of the season. If things don't work out as he hopes, he can walk away easier, but if we finish the season strongly..... then he'll have a much better bargaining position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Lol at you for being too daft to understand what was meant by that statement.... It's not about the individual if the systems and process are in place to ensure continuity of approach... Same as it's not about NC, but about the strategy and drive he brought - that continues, no problem, style of play continues, no problem, drive and aspiration continues, no problem... Unlike you sad few who seem happy to accept anything provided nasty Nic is out the picture and Frannie can get his carpet back in his bathroom, I am less convinced that come summer we will continue in the upward direction we have seen these last few years- Happy to be proven wrong, but not convinced I will be.... I just just find it pretty funny ( though sad is probably closer) that's a few years ago, the 'mob/ biggest mouths' were so against Lowe for NOT showing any ambition.... With anything good he did brushed under the carpet as an irrelevance... The same mob are then so critical of NC for daring to show some with the trivial things suddenly becoming so important.... The only time this mob was fleetingly happy was when Wilde took control.... And we all know how that turned out... Gawd knows which people you're blathering about Franklin. The simple fact is Lowe and Cortese are similar in many ways, the main one being they both spoke of targeting the Champions League. And neither of them had access to the resources to deliver it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 YES ........except that no-one is likely to be appointed until the accountants have finished auditing the books. Cortese has been signing everything himself for 4 years, (not suggesting he did anything wrong), but KL and the new CEO would want everything checked and above board before taking over..I would ! Isn´t the new CEO (interim but still) the former financial director? Would´ve thought he had good insight in the books even if he didn´t sign anything off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Gawd knows which people you're blathering about Franklin. The simple fact is Lowe and Cortese are similar in many ways, the main one being they both spoke of targeting the Champions League. And neither of them had access to the resources to deliver it. The difference between them in my book, and why we had a buzz about the place, was that despite the low probability of any success of that kind, NC had the knack of ensuring we looked at and aspired to what was possible... No matter how improbable. How ow far we could have gone with that 'project' no one will know, and it's easy to dismiss it as hollow pipe dreams, but the truth is we don't know. I just hope that KL has the small energy, enthusiasm and refusal to accept our 'place' in the pyramid as NC displayed. It's Niger been about what we achieve, but in how determined we are to try. To me that is what sport should be about and why I admired what NC was about despite his obvious faults in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 YES ........except that no-one is likely to be appointed until the accountants have finished auditing the books. Cortese has been signing everything himself for 4 years, (not suggesting he did anything wrong), but KL and the new CEO would want everything checked and above board before taking over..I would ! Could the appointment of the new CEO not be linked to issues elsewhere (eg Krueger's involvement with Canada's ice hockey team in Sochi, or John Williams - or another for that matter - working a notice period) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 having a canadian ice hockey man running a football club is going to be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 having a canadian ice hockey man running a football club is going to be fun Well an Italian banker did alright :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Well an Italian banker did alright :-) reminds of the time a world cup winning rugby coach has some input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 having a canadian ice hockey man running a football club is going to be fun Hopefully, and listening to his interview, it seems he'll be involved rather than a full CEO directing all operations.But time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 I just just find it pretty funny ( though sad is probably closer) that's a few years ago, the 'mob/ biggest mouths' were so against Lowe for NOT showing any ambition.... With anything good he did brushed under the carpet as an irrelevance... The same mob are then so critical of NC for daring to show some with the trivial things suddenly becoming so important.... The only time this mob was fleetingly happy was when Wilde took control.... And we all know how that turned out... That's a lot of generalisation there, Frank. There were a lot who despised Lowe for the way that he came to be at the Club and they accepted that it wasn't that he lacked ambition, but moreover the financial clout to finance it, or the seeming inability to attract investment. As for what he achieved, that has to be balanced against the damage he caused. As yet, I don't see much in the way of damage caused by Cortese, but there is much to credit him for. Most were happy at the arrival of Wilde because he deposed the Lowe regime, which is understandable. Yes, it turned out badly, but it was another step on the path towards the club being rid of all that dross and being taken over by the Liebherrs, just a footnote in our history. You have your suspicions that now Cortese has gone, the Club will not be as ambitious for the success he craved. To the extent that he laid out a clear path towards achieving that ambition, I see no reason why it should be discontinued, provided that the component parts are not disassembled. They comprise the manager and his style of play, the players themselves, (a great mix of youth and experience), the financial outlay on the infrastructure and players to strengthen the squad, and the new board that will take over the responsibility of running the Club from Cortese. Cortese was only one cog in the wheel and perhaps it credits him too much to conclude that because of the departure of one man, the whole edifice will be significantly weakened. KL losing interest, or Pochettino and key players leaving would probably have far more impact. All of these things hinge on Katharina Liebherr's desire to continue "the project." As it stands in the short time since Cortese's departure, there is no concrete evidence that she does not wish to continue with it and indeed there have been several positive signs that she wants business as usual. When it is time to start the dialogue with Pochettino regarding the renewal of his contract that will be the time for furrowed brows. But again, there is little to suggest that he is unhappy here, or losing his drive and ambition. He is raising his profile as a really competent manager, so that he is attracting attention at higher levels. But he must realise that expectations will be considerably higher at the top clubs and that it will probably do his career much more good to stay here for a year or two longer, advancing his reputation further before the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 Lol at you for being too daft to understand what was meant by that statement.... It's not about the individual if the systems and process are in place to ensure continuity of approach... Same as it's not about NC, but about the strategy and drive he brought - that continues, no problem, style of play continues, no problem, drive and aspiration continues, no problem... Unlike you sad few who seem happy to accept anything provided nasty Nic is out the picture and Frannie can get his carpet back in his bathroom, I am less convinced that come summer we will continue in the upward direction we have seen these last few years- Happy to be proven wrong, but not convinced I will be.... I just just find it pretty funny ( though sad is probably closer) that's a few years ago, the 'mob/ biggest mouths' were so against Lowe for NOT showing any ambition.... With anything good he did brushed under the carpet as an irrelevance... The same mob are then so critical of NC for daring to show some with the trivial things suddenly becoming so important.... The only time this mob was fleetingly happy was when Wilde took control.... And we all know how that turned out... S if its not about the individual its about the systems then its fair to say we shouldn't worry too much about MP as the system will work regardless of the individuals. Thanks for proving me right, I know you're still heartbroken and time is a greater healer Francis, but it seems, as usual, the LOL is on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 (edited) The difference between them in my book, and why we had a buzz about the place, was that despite the low probability of any success of that kind, NC had the knack of ensuring we looked at and aspired to what was possible... No matter how improbable. How ow far we could have gone with that 'project' no one will know, and it's easy to dismiss it as hollow pipe dreams, but the truth is we don't know. I just hope that KL has the small energy, enthusiasm and refusal to accept our 'place' in the pyramid as NC displayed. It's Niger been about what we achieve, but in how determined we are to try. To me that is what sport should be about and why I admired what NC was about despite his obvious faults in other areas. We do know it was a hollow pipe dream because Cortese is gone. We were never going to be given the infinite resources we would have needed to get into the Champions League, or to build that pie in the sky stadium we clearly don't need. With the old man out of the way, Cortese thought he would just continue spunking money about on his very own little train set, making louder and louder Champions League claims through his chums in the media as he went along. Well the free money tap, unsurprisingly, got switched off and off he has scuttled. A bit like the Monorail salesman in The Simpsons. Luckily, though, the people that actually matter - owner, manager, players - are still here. Edited 8 February, 2014 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 S if its not about the individual its about the systems then its fair to say we shouldn't worry too much about MP as the system will work regardless of the individuals. Thanks for proving me right, I know you're still heartbroken and time is a greater healer Francis, but it seems, as usual, the LOL is on you. not it sure whether it's self awareness you lack or intelligence, either way, once again you have proven to be unable to comprehend the issue. If the system and drive is there and the leadership to continue the approach is strong, then individuals do not matter... If the leadership, drive and ambition is not there, then an individual with influence such as MP leaving would be a blow... Simple, but if you are simply too thick to get it, that's not my problem... As to being heartbroken... Jeez, it's football and plenty more important things to care about. Your sad little attempts to belittle are a mild irritation. You are like an itch on the scrotum.. Annoying, but not worth getting upset about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 February, 2014 Share Posted 8 February, 2014 not it sure whether it's self awareness you lack or intelligence' date=' either way, once again you have proven to be unable to comprehend the issue. If the system and drive is there and the leadership to continue the approach is strong, then individuals do not matter... If the leadership, drive and ambition is not there, then an individual with influence such as MP leaving would be a blow... Simple, but if you are simply too thick to get it, that's not my problem... As to being heartbroken... Jeez, it's football and plenty more important things to care about. Your sad little attempts to belittle are a mild irritation. You are like an itch on the scrotum.. Annoying, but not worth getting upset about.[/quote'] I'm not sure what you're getting your knickers in a twist about. You keep saying it's all about systems, process so individuals matter less, so we agree, we shouldn't be too concerned if MP leaves as the systems are on place for continuity. Which is exactly what I said before yet another ranting, post from you. I know you love to type and type and type but I'm not sure if it's lack of intelligence, lack of self awareness or simply angry keyboard thumping that is preventing you from seeing we agree, but that is how it is Francis. Maybe you should take a deep breath and stop itching your ball bag so vigorously, it's not doing you any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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