farawaysaint Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 On the plus side, we can't be crisis club flavour of the month anymore. The media can even play the premier league darling team turned disaster zone card with Swansea the same as they have been with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Will probably help swansea if he's dropped. Arguably one of the worst CBs in the premier league. We had some fools who would have actually liked him as well! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48428-Chico-Flores&highlight=Chico+Flores#.UvFMRfl_sts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Met Gary a few times and always seems a really decent lad, bet he's not got his FA badges yet so thats going to be an issue. He's allowed if he's enrolled to do the courses even if he hasn't achieved them yet if I recall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Mauricio Pochettino is now the 8th longest serving Premier League manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Madness! MoPo now the 8th longest serving PL manager. Silly season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Monk who posts on here? I very nearly took a job at Swansea 18 months ago! Not exactly this job though & no I am not related to Garry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Mauricio Pochettino is now the 8th longest serving Premier League manager! Ridiculous, can we please tie him down before his contract expires Miss Liebherr so we don't have to deal with this ********? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 So stupid. 3 points from 10th a season after playing great football and winning a trophy. Does no club put up with short term set backs anymore? So you have a tougher season, you learn from it. They haven't had Michu and will stay up anyway. These teams think a new manager secures premier league status, but judge it over a longer period and it's rarely a great move. Can see why managers move when they have the chance. Last summer AVB was linked with PSG and Laudrup with Spurs and Everton. Now look at them. Obviously not that kind of sacking is it. Laudrup clearly not happy about financial support and/or not prepared to commit to a long term deal and/or some other personal fall out. A relationship has broken down. Blatantly not a "results not good enough : sacked" type of departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Obviously not that kind of sacking is it. Laudrup clearly not happy about financial support and/or not prepared to commit to a long term deal and/or some other personal fall out. A relationship has broken down. Blatantly not a "results not good enough : sacked" type of departure. Indeed. You can read between the lines of Swansea's official statement that Laudrup seems to have been hawking himself around and wouldn't commit to a longer term future there. To be fair he's a world star with a huge reputation and for sure only saw Swansea as a stepping stone on the way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 I'd quit if my chairman signed N'gog as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Not only do Saints produce exciting and fine young players, but we produce more than average managers thru past players. No wonder we are the Pride of the South and football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 I suspect he's been doing a Mark Hughes and touting himself around. Like he did after a successful season at Gentafe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 On a wider level, I remember when I was younger thinking how strange these foreign clubs were for changing managers so frequently - italian clubs would change their head coach almost annually, and in Spain and Portugal it was worse; they would (shock, horror) change managers mid season too! I used to think it was nuts. Compared to today's premier league, however ... Just seems bonkers to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Laudrup will still get a very decent job in the summer. They have been poor this season. But winning a trophy at Swansea with their style of football was an excellent achievement. Guess Michu being out so much has hurt them along with the Europa league. It's a lesson for us. Really hope we don't qualify for Europe. Unless CL of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 It's a lesson for us. Really hope we don't qualify for Europe. Unless CL of course... Yeah that would be awful. Utterly terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Mauricio Pochettino is now the 8th longest serving Premier League manager! I think that these managers only take the job on for the compo when they get sacked, with the plum job being the Chelsea one. Only club unlikely to sack their manager being Newcastle who gave AP an 8 year contract!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 I'd absolutely love to play in Europe if we could cope with it. The worry is that, as has been the case with many teams in the last few years, we wouldn't be able to and it would completely derail our league campaign. I really don't think we'd handle the Europa League without at least 6 or 7 more players we could field with complete confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 If Shaw goes in the summer I'd put a bid in for their LB, Davies, he's a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 I'd absolutely love to play in Europe if we could cope with it. The worry is that, as has been the case with many teams in the last few years, we wouldn't be able to and it would completely derail our league campaign. I really don't think we'd handle the Europa League without at least 6 or 7 more players we could field with complete confidence. So we wouldn't win the league if we qualified for Europe? Yeah, I think I could probably get over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Was thinking the other day how good it would be if we sacked Poch and gave Jos the job. Jos may make a brilliant manager. Mourinho was rubbish at football after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 The talk on twitter is Hoddle is in the frame for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 The talk on twitter is Hoddle is in the frame for the job. Can't see that, their chairman has quite a good record on appointments , Martinez onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Stupid. Gary Neville makes a good point: Why would manager's bother investing in an academy when the average timeframe for a manager these days is 13 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 (edited) Obviously not that kind of sacking is it. Laudrup clearly not happy about financial support and/or not prepared to commit to a long term deal and/or some other personal fall out. A relationship has broken down. Blatantly not a "results not good enough : sacked" type of departure. It was going around footballing circles that he wasnt particularly happy. They have clamped down a bit on the finance side of things (but they still spent in summer TBF), hence my comments about pinching Bony soon. And he generally wasnt happy with results. The rumour was he said he was off in the summer anyway so not surprised they have moved now, I cant think of why now particularly though, not like there are any suitable managers around right now ? Whats AVB doing ? As per relegation, its unlikely, but still a very real prospect for them. Dont get me wrong, I will be surprised, but stranger things have happened. Edit - I didnt realise they were only 2 points from relegation ! It really isnt unlikely then its very very real. Edited 4 February, 2014 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 So we wouldn't win the league if we qualified for Europe? Yeah, I think I could probably get over that. Its always a confusing statement that one, whats the options ? Intentionally flirt with relegation and finish 10th ? Surely its about preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Swansea had a ****e season so no surprises here he has gone, along with the whole agent thing from a while back. Must of not helped his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 Hoddle supposedly interviewing for the job before the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 (edited) http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/swansea-sacked-michael-laudrup-phoning-3112286#.UvFx7rRq_cw Doesn't paint Laudrup in a very good light at all, obviously two sides to every story but this article speculates that: - Players were fed up with him as he seemed disinterested in the job - Refused to take training sessions in the rain - Dressing room cliques had gotten so bad that they had to put a rule in place that stipulated no more than three Spanish players could sit at one table during lunch - During a training camp in Dubai, the only rules he enforced were ones telling the players when they had to be on the coach and players spent most of the time drinking - Several delegations of players went to the chairman complaining about lack of training and discipline - He upset the chairman by giving the players two days off so he could go to Paris after the loss to West Ham at the weekend Edited 4 February, 2014 by Bewildered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 February, 2014 Share Posted 4 February, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/swansea-sacked-michael-laudrup-phoning-3112286#.UvFx7rRq_cw Doesn't paint Laudrup in a very good light at all, obviously two sides to every story but this article speculates that: - Players were fed up with him as he seemed disinterested in the job - Refused to take training sessions in the rain - Dressing room cliques had gotten so bad that they had to put a rule in place that stipulated no more than three Spanish players could sit at one table during lunch - During a training camp in Dubai, the only rules he enforced were ones telling the players when they had to be on the coach and players spent most of the time drinking - Several delegations of players went to the chairman complaining about lack of training and discipline - He upset the chairman by giving the players two days off so he could go to Paris after the loss to West Ham at the weekend It may not all be true but it certainly doesn't speculate. Shame on Laudrup if any of this is true. You'd hope that the bigger clubs he aspires to manage would look at that attitude and decide against employing him...but that's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I also heard rumours that his head wasn't in it and he would often not even turn up for training. If that is true, it's better that they got rid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonswan Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I think the Swans have won only 4 home league matches in the past calendar year. Desperation amongst fans was reaching fever pitch. The standard of football has become absolutely diabolical. I remember pass completion rates of 90%+ under Brendan Rodgers. Now its probably in the 60s. Basic skills are shot to pieces. The lack of training rumours ring very true. He's taken a cohesive squad of competent unglamorous journeymen and reduced them to individuals. He's undone Brendan Rodger's work. He got lucky with Michu last season. That masked basic failings. This season, with Michu injured, it has deteriorated constantly. We have played at relegation standard for a whole year now. I am delighted Laudrup has gone. I'm sure Gary Monk will only be a temporary appointment, but I wish him luck. It was so obvious Laudrup was leaving anyway. My great fear at this point in time was that he would indulge in some CV polishing at the club's expense. He seems to value progression in cup competitions over the league. We have 3 cup games this month - 2 UEFA and 1 FA (Everton). If Laudrup was holding players back for cup games then we were in great danger. Remember Pardew prioritising Tin Pot cup over promotion from League 1? That was bad. Laudrup was potentially a bomb waiting to go off. Good Riddance. Of course we can expect ex-players in the media to eulogise him, quickfire cliches to hand. Don't care. He had to go. Well done the board of SCFC. For the record I can cope with relegation if it happens. We're in good financial shape. We'll be competitive in the Championship. But I want us to at least fight to stay up, not surrender while pointless cup campaigns are prioritised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Hoddle would be a decent appointment for them IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I think the Swans have won only 4 home league matches in the past calendar year. Desperation amongst fans was reaching fever pitch. The standard of football has become absolutely diabolical. I remember pass completion rates of 90%+ under Brendan Rodgers. Now its probably in the 60s. Basic skills are shot to pieces. The lack of training rumours ring very true. He's taken a cohesive squad of competent unglamorous journeymen and reduced them to individuals. He's undone Brendan Rodger's work. He got lucky with Michu last season. That masked basic failings. This season, with Michu injured, it has deteriorated constantly. We have played at relegation standard for a whole year now. I am delighted Laudrup has gone. I'm sure Gary Monk will only be a temporary appointment, but I wish him luck. It was so obvious Laudrup was leaving anyway. My great fear at this point in time was that he would indulge in some CV polishing at the club's expense. He seems to value progression in cup competitions over the league. We have 3 cup games this month - 2 UEFA and 1 FA (Everton). If Laudrup was holding players back for cup games then we were in great danger. Remember Pardew prioritising Tin Pot cup over promotion from League 1? That was bad. Laudrup was potentially a bomb waiting to go off. Good Riddance. Of course we can expect ex-players in the media to eulogise him, quickfire cliches to hand. Don't care. He had to go. Well done the board of SCFC. For the record I can cope with relegation if it happens. We're in good financial shape. We'll be competitive in the Championship. But I want us to at least fight to stay up, not surrender while pointless cup campaigns are prioritised. I wouldnt swap the JPT for one extra year in the championship/premiership. And I'd rather win the carling cup/play in Europe and finish 15th than get knocked out early and finish 8th (no reason you can't have both though). Sent from my HTC Desire C using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Told you he was getting near the borderline. Too many injuries and too little flexibility in their style of play to continue very long in English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Told you he was getting near the borderline.Told who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Told who? Anyone who cared to read my fairly recent and insightful post on the subject of Swansea in general and Laudrup in particular.:rolleyes: Trouble is I can't remember in what context I made it, perhaps a Pochettino sacking thread (no doubt started by Glasgow) so I can't look it up and remind you all of whatever it was that I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Anyone who cared to read my fairly recent and insightful post on the subject of Swansea in general and Laudrup in particular.:rolleyes: Trouble is I can't remember in what context I made it, perhaps a Pochettino sacking thread (no doubt started by Glasgow) so I can't look it up and remind you all of whatever it was that I said. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48428-Chico-Flores&p=1861611#post1861611 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 (no doubt started by Glasgow) A thread started by GlasgowTroll, that will narrow it down then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Anyone who cared to read my fairly recent and insightful post on the subject of Swansea in general and Laudrup in particular.:rolleyes: Trouble is I can't remember in what context I made it, perhaps a Pochettino sacking thread (no doubt started by Glasgow) so I can't look it up and remind you all of whatever it was that I said. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48428-Chico-Flores&p=1861611#post1861611 I like Glasgow's post two under yours Mr Cleaner. Very accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 (edited) The standard of football has become absolutely diabolical. I remember pass completion rates of 90%+ under Brendan Rodgers. Now its probably in the 60s. Basic skills are shot to pieces. The lack of training rumours ring very true. He's taken a cohesive squad of competent unglamorous journeymen and reduced them to individuals. He's undone Brendan Rodger's work. really? Pass completion is 86% - the highest in the league and possession 59%, also the highest in the Premier league. http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/02/05/jl-two-stats-that-prove-laudrup-sacking-was-wrong-for-swansea/ doesn't mean the football is good though I guess, and the results speak for themselves. Edited 5 February, 2014 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I like Glasgow's post two under yours Mr Cleaner. Very accurate He never worries about the potential accuracy of whatever he might say, being contrary is all that matters. Glasgow Glasgow quite contrary how does your posting go With trolling and bullsh*t That's how my posting goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 really? Pass completion is 86% - the highest in the league and possession 59%, also the highest in the Premier league. http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/02/05/jl-two-stats-that-prove-laudrup-sacking-was-wrong-for-swansea/ doesn't mean the football is good though I guess, and the results speak for themselves. Sterile posssession means nothing, they've only scored 24 goals and yet they're putting in about 14 or 15 shots per game, most of them are from way out and go over the top. They've no cutting edge at all, as I said a while back it looks pretty but it's pointless most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndyB Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 They need a good goalscorer, Michu was last season. Laudrup didn't deserve to get sacked. The Europa League is like a curse for the smaller clubs like Swansea so this season was going to be a struggle. They would have stayed up- now they have the problem of finding a new manager which could take weeks. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Didn't Spurs want to poach Laudrup before they decided they'd rather poach MoPo? If Laudrup's still available in the summer it could be good news for us... Are you sure that you would want to have Laudrup?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Are you sure that you would want to have Laudrup?! I wouldn't want to have Laudrup. But if Spurs are still keen on him and he's available for free in the summer, then it increases the chance that they'll leave Mopo alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Would love him here if Pochettino went in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 Very good point and something that needs to change quickly. You'll get some managers who just like bringing through young players, which I think MP does. It makes them better coaches if they can spot potential and helps at clubs where resources in the transfer market are limited. Still, it must be frustrating to watch the u17s or something and realise you'll probably never get to manage the decent players there. I wanted Adkins to stay a long time and now I want MP to, but I expect the latter even less. Stability over 5-10 years is always better IMO, but only if you have someone decent. Clubs change and maybe stay up, but then go down the next season, or change again. Over 5+years I'm not convinced it does much other than delay the inevitable or help tread water. Perhaps that's all some chairman want as it brings more cash in. Nearly al lclubs including us would be glad to tread water and simply recieve the handout from sky and the tv rights, thats what makes football so boring and dull now, only a few can win and many lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 thats what makes football so boring and dull now, only a few can win and many lose. it's impossible to have more losers than winners, barry. I mean maybe if playing lotto or spin bottle, but not in football match. Check the weekly results bbc.co.uk, you will find it is equal, every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 it's impossible to have more losers than winners, barry. I mean maybe if playing lotto or spin bottle, but not in football match. Check the weekly results bbc.co.uk, you will find it is equal, every time. Really? I must be missing something with the winners of trophies in football, how many have we won in our glorious history? Thats it, right next to Oxford University and Royal Engineers............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 February, 2014 Share Posted 10 February, 2014 we won the johnstones quite recently ain't it! I'm not sure how many we used to win before football become dull + boring tho. Prob loads if I'm understanding you correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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