Saint Charlie Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Suprised there is so much chat about this from WHU. End of the day, he was lucky his swing was slightly off target as otherwise might have smashed Flores' nose. The intention was obvious, hence the red card being justified. Really hope they go down.
Shroppie Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Their comment is that because commentators and 80% of the media were on their side, they must be right. Very dangerous attitude if you start to believe what your friends in the media say. would they produce MOTD footage as evidence? What a precedent that would be. Could this mean any red card judged to be a mistake on MOTD should be overturned? The whole idea is just ridiculous.
Jimmy_D Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Aye, Flores was wrong to react the way he did, but even if he hadn't reacted at all, and Carroll had missed completely, it can still be interpreted as a red by today's rules. Maybe it wouldn't have been given in the first place in that case, but since it was, the FA has no grounds to overturn it.
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 There's no chance of reversing the decision now. If they did all the refs would hang up their boots.
scotty Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Am I alone in chortling loudly at those horrible chancers gold and sullivan squirming? Now they've somehow managed to blag a massive stadium at public expense, I can't wait to see them try to fill it in the 2nd division. Maybe they could groundshare with pompey, they're about the same level of c*ntishness.
stu0x Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 It's all getting very silly. Almost as silly as when we complained about Clattenberg. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Greenridge Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Am I alone in chortling loudly at those horrible chancers gold and sullivan squirming? Now they've somehow managed to blag a massive stadium at public expense, I can't wait to see them try to fill it in the 2nd division. Maybe they could groundshare with pompey, they're about the same level of c*ntishness. They could be in the same division as Leighton Orient next year. They could ground share after all.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Carroll knew what he was doing. Gritted teeth too, which generall suggests aggressive intent. For what it's worth, I'd say... red for Carroll's action. However, Flores' reaction was poor and he should have been disciplined too.
Um Bongo Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 I think it's harsh. I mean it's not like Carroll has done something like this before...Oh wait.... He's got an anger problem and I'm glad he's not playing against us. West Ham know how important he is to their chances of staying up. Three big games for them and to have him missing is a massive blow.
waggy Posted 6 February, 2014 Posted 6 February, 2014 Carroll knew what he was doing. Gritted teeth too, which generall suggests aggressive intent. For what it's worth, I'd say... red for Carroll's action. However, Flores' reaction was poor and he should have been disciplined too. That's basically how Graham Poll summed it up on Monday.
whelk Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 FA bowing to West Ham after fear of going to High Court giving them an arbitration hearing. Slippery slope and looks like he will get it rescinded. I used to like West ham but so want them to go down now.
Saint Charlie Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Will be a joke if the FA cave in to a bit of pressure. Nothing to suggest Carroll didnt try to wallop Flores, he just didnt connect very well.
Olallana Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If they get it rescinded now FA will have big problems in the future with teams going the same path.
farawaysaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If they get it rescinded now FA will have big problems in the future with teams going the same path. Every doubtful red will be challenged in court.
Hedgehog Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If it is rescinded I hope they take note of every time he goes down as though shot for the slightest contact, which for a big man he does go down a lot, that the FA are able to throw the book at him. I think West Ham are being a bit hypocritical here.
aintforever Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 It was an obvious red, there is no way in a million years it will be overturned by anyone.
Shroppie Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If they get it rescinded now FA will have big problems in the future with teams going the same path. Agree totally with this.
jjsaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If it is rescinded, and West Ham stay up because of Carroll's goals, what is to stop the relegated teams from suing West Ham and/or the FA? It never ends...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If it is rescinded, and West Ham stay up because of Carroll's goals, what is to stop the relegated teams from suing West Ham and/or the FA? It never ends... Haven't West Ham been in trouble before? How much did Sheffield United get, £20million?
skintsaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Haven't West Ham been in trouble before? How much did Sheffield United get, £20million? Sheff Utd done well out of it ...
Hatch Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 As much as I don't like West Ham or Carroll I dont think we are really in a position to criticise after our pathetic handling of the Lallana case.
warsash saint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 It will get reduced to a 1 game ban IMO
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 As much as I don't like West Ham or Carroll I dont think we are really in a position to criticise after our pathetic handling of the Lallana case. If they bow to West Ham and not us, I think there is cause. It's pretty clear it's a red, and worse decisions have not been looked into previously. Utterly pathetic on the FA's part, totally spineless.
buctootim Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 It will get reduced to a 1 game ban IMO Agree. Its the easy compromise way out.
Dig Dig Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 FA and West Ham, two embarrassing organisations merging to create an absolute mess.
Viking Warrior Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 The hammer cheats will get away with it, after all they are a major premier league club . Carrols shyte anyway
buctootim Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Whats with the sheep like hating of West Ham on this board? did a Saintsweb memo come round?
Bucks Saint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Sheff Utd done well out of it ... Yep. Its not like Wet Sham should have points deducted and been relegated. FA were their friends then, and now
Torres Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Whats with the sheep like hating of West Ham on this board? did a Saintsweb memo come round? Gold, Sullivan, Allardyce and Nolan - what's not to hate? Throw in what they're about to do to Leyton Orient for a bonus too, if you want.
a1ex2001 Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Sheff Utd done well out of it ... I think if you ask a sheffield utd fan they might beg to differ!
bpsaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Carroll had no reason whatsoever to swing his arm out like that, really can't believe the front West Ham have got to seek legal action.
CB Fry Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 It won't get recinded. The court of arbitration for sport process would probably take until November. It's not like they can overturn it next week. Just pointless posturing from WHU. Much like us with Clattenberg/Lallana.
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 It won't get recinded. The court of arbitration for sport process would probably take until November. It's not like they can overturn it next week. Just pointless posturing from WHU. Much like us with Clattenberg/Lallana. Usually 6 to 12 months: http://www.tas-cas.org/en/20questions.asp/4-3-228-1010-4-1-1/5-0-1010-13-0-0/
Matthew Le God Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Usually 6 to 12 months: http://www.tas-cas.org/en/20questions.asp/4-3-228-1010-4-1-1/5-0-1010-13-0-0/ But it also says... In urgent cases and upon request, the CAS may, within a very short time, order interim measures or suspend the execution of a decision appealed against.
Tamesaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Whats with the sheep like hating of West Ham on this board? did a Saintsweb memo come round? Didn't you get a copy?
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 But it also says... Ah, but is that an appeal against a CAS decision or against a domestic one?
Jimmy_D Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Looks like it's been thrown out by CAS as well, according to Telegraph journo.
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 You have to laugh. They were clearly pinning all their survival hopes on him finding some form after returning from injury, and almost immediately he gets himself suspended for three games. If it was anybody else they would have just accepted the FA ruling and moved on. He thought he was being cute and clever, deliberately swinging his arm at Flores but trying to make it look like it was unintentional, but as people have already noted it is the facial expression that gives it away. As for Flores' play-acting though - what a prize c*nt.
Batman Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 they would have been hoping for AT LEAST 6 points in the 3 games should he been able to play be funny if they get no more than 3
Saint Charlie Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Correct decision, the intent was there even if contact wasn't. They should be wondering why Carroll, knowing how key he is to them, felt the need to react like that at 2-0 up.
dubai_phil Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Aston Villa Review @VillaReview 19m Let's not count our chickens on Carroll. West Ham are yet to appeal to the Grand Emperor of All Peoples of the Universe.
brett24 Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Correct decision, how desperate are West Ham, he isn't even that good.
Window Cleaner Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Correct decision, how desperate are West Ham, he isn't even that good. Well he is actually, set up both of their goals last week, fits in perfectly with the way they play.
trousers Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 Ian Abrahams @BroadcastMoose Andy Carroll got a 3 game ban, while all this guy got was a sore ponytail, call that justice? pic.twitter.com/pMoMZmmN3P
beatlesaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 If they had gone back on it then the number one ref in the world would have looked silly and more importantly every club would have tried it, that or saying they don't want certain refs who say things to one of their England players.....oh, whoops :-(
Olallana Posted 7 February, 2014 Posted 7 February, 2014 To put it in some sort of perspective to other leagues. I dont know if it´s true but the referee that sent off Ronaldo got suspended one month according to twitter sources (yes I know...) Still Ronaldo got his 3 game suspension too......
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