doggface Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Just wanted to pick up on something that Matthew Le Tissier mentioned on another thread which may have gone under the radar. Has been said that our "long term" kit deal is due to be cancelled in the summer as cortese fell out with Adidas. Allegedly we will be going back to our own branded kit instead. I know that mlt is in the business of selling match worn shirts and don't doubt he has heard something, just wondered if anyone else had heard anything more concrete. i asked the media guys on twitter who are usually pretty good at responding but was met with a wall of silence. Wattsy the photographer did respond saying "NO can't" which makes me think there maybe something in this. does anyone know anymore? thanks
Mr X Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 seems to tie in with the rumours that cortese burnt a lot of bridges, do we really need a massive generic sports manufacturer linked with saints? I guess its beneficial
doggface Posted 4 February, 2014 Author Posted 4 February, 2014 Well they will be likely paying us a six figure sum each year so that helps but we get a smaller cut of the sales than if we produced our own. Also no overheads as adidas design all the products. Premier league is still booming so no doubt contract value will only be going one way. Arsenals deal with puma for example is about 20 mil per season (I know that's at the higher end) Also I think it raises our profile.
Ajv2809 Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Would be gutted if we went back to an own brand kit. Think the Adidas kits are much better quality and look much nicer. Own brand kits are for small clubs and that doesn't fit with our mentality.
Wade Garrett Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I always thought our own brand kit was a bit Mickey Mouse to be honest. Lets go back to Patrick.
CB Fry Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Not sure why the choice would be Adidas or own brand. There are other options. Haven't Puma made a comeback with a deal with Arsenal recently. They might want to add another Prem club in. Personally I think we will be in adidas next year anyway. In lovely ol' stripes.
BlakeySFC Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Uh god I'd f_ucking hate it if we went back to making our own kit, absolutely god-awful chinese sweat-shop quality garbage. Seriously mickey mouse in this day and age, are there any other PL or FL clubs that make their own kit anymore? Can't think of anyone off the top of my head. I'd accept anyone, Macron, Adidas, Nike, Umbro ANYONE but making our own kit again.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Puma seem to be chucking around some wonga at the moment. Let's get them on the phone, and see if they would like to send some of it down to the south coast. Also, I decided that I actually quite like the current kit the other day. The gold is bad, but i quite like the kit itself.
paulwantsapint Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Making own kit with billionaire owner who could buy their own manufacturing company not the same as 15 years ago when Lowe was in charge Puma would however love to beat their long time rivals Adidas
Giordano Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I want to see our kit all around the world and to be able to buy a fake but high quality cos it came from the same factory top for £4 in Patong or some backstreet in Budapest or on the beech in Kos this summer...I will wear that at the match live but not otherwise unless im watching it live on tv at home when its just good luck...I don't want to pay a stupid amount for a plastic shirt like what they charge us right now, we got enough money from SKY already plus KL is minted so enough of the over-priced kits malarkey in the club shop please - leave that to wealthier people, and let us have our kits made in Asia and billions of cheaper counterfeits of it available from the usual sources.
Saint Garrett Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Hope not, our own brand kit would be so mickey mouse, we're in the big league now.
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I don't see the logic in the jump from ending the Adidas contract to having an own brand kit next season. If the story about ending the Adidas contract is true, why would the club favour an own brand kit over using Nike, Puma etc? Sounds like ********.
dubai_phil Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I want to see our kit all around the world and to be able to buy a fake but high quality cos it came from the same factory top for £4 in Patong or some backstreet in Budapest or on the beech in Kos this summer...I will wear that at the match live but not otherwise unless im watching it live on tv at home when its just good luck...I don't want to pay a stupid amount for a plastic shirt like what they charge us right now, we got enough money from SKY already plus KL is minted so enough of the over-priced kits malarkey in the club shop please - leave that to wealthier people, and let us have our kits made in Asia and billions of cheaper counterfeits of it available from the usual sources. ^ this Really breaks my heart to travel to Asia and see 4year old kids wearing Gerrard or Rooney Orange coloured shirts
Monk Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 The adidas situation rings true to what I have been told. Nicola kicked up a huge fuss regarding a number of mistakes by adidas. He wasn't happy at their PR campaign, the delay in delivery of kits and lack of access to stock. The main issue was the lack of personalisation on training and coaching wear. Which originally came umbranded. Source, member HR staff at Arcadia (own topman) who recently left Adudas.
Dan Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I'd rather us make our own kits opposed to having generic Adidas kits. Lets not forget, bar the badge and sponsor ours and Bristol City kits are more or less the same.
BlakeySFC Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 The adidas situation rings true to what I have been told. Nicola kicked up a huge fuss regarding a number of mistakes by adidas. He wasn't happy at their PR campaign, the delay in delivery of kits and lack of access to stock. The main issue was the lack of personalisation on training and coaching wear. Which originally came umbranded. Source, member HR staff at Arcadia (own topman) who recently left Adudas. As in we may terminate the contract with adidas and go with making our own kits again? Or as in we may terminate the contract with adidas and go with a rival firm?
SuperMikey Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 The adidas situation rings true to what I have been told. Nicola kicked up a huge fuss regarding a number of mistakes by adidas. He wasn't happy at their PR campaign, the delay in delivery of kits and lack of access to stock. The main issue was the lack of personalisation on training and coaching wear. Which originally came umbranded. Source, member HR staff at Arcadia (own topman) who recently left Adudas. I heard about Cortese upsetting Adidas too, apparently there were one or two sponsors of the club who felt his wrath because they didn't meet his requirements. Tbh I don't really care about the kit, as long as it's red and white.
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 There was definitely an issue with the training kit at the start of the season which caused NC (and Pochettino himself) to kick up a fuss.
MerceSaint28 Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I can't imagine we will make our own kit...if it were that profitable...then all the top clubs would do it and they don't
St Chalet Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I heard from someone at the club pretty much what Monk said. Also a friend at Adidas confirmed there was a 'commercial dispute'. Shame, I actually liked the training wear and away shirt.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I don't see the logic in the jump from ending the Adidas contract to having an own brand kit next season. If the story about ending the Adidas contract is true, why would the club favour an own brand kit over using Nike, Puma etc? Sounds like ********. Timing? Our adidas kit this season took 3 years to design
SuperSAINT Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Haven't Nike just lost a team in red & white to Puma? Quite partial to Nike, myself.
alehouseboys Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 I believe a number of English league clubs are in dispute with adidas following unfulfilled orders, short deliveries and promises not met. You can imagine Cortese's reaction to this kind of service. Maybe adidas are in breach of contract over these issues and it's in the hands of the legal bods and until it's resolved SFC can't take their business elsewhere and producing their own gear is the only alternative?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Well if its true that Adidas did mess up then Cortese had every right to get hacked off IMO. I just wonder whether the purchasing team were empowered to sort it out, or did Cortese decide it was a such an issue that he felt the need to get personally involved? See where I'm going with this?
saintchris23 Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Ironic considering the family history between Puma and Adidas. From one brothers firm to another!
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Well if its true that Adidas did mess up then Cortese had every right to get hacked off IMO. I just wonder whether the purchasing team were empowered to sort it out, or did Cortese decide it was a such an issue that he felt the need to get personally involved? See where I'm going with this? Cortese was personally involved in virtually every decision made at the club.
holepuncture Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 The adidas situation rings true to what I have been told. Nicola kicked up a huge fuss regarding a number of mistakes by adidas. He wasn't happy at their PR campaign, the delay in delivery of kits and lack of access to stock. The main issue was the lack of personalisation on training and coaching wear. Which originally came umbranded. Source, member HR staff at Arcadia (own topman) who recently left Adudas. If that is the case, then we have every right to be displeased and to terminate the contract.
Monk Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 My work gear is nike, always preferred addidas truth be told.
holepuncture Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 My work gear is nike, always preferred addidas truth be told. They might have some nice kit to compete with adidas next season though
BlakeySFC Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Anyone but own brand kits, please footballing gods!
Kingsland Red Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 One of the big disappointments with Adidas has been that Saints shirts do not appear in world wide airport shops or the big sports stores like other clubs wearing Adidas. Whether this is the fault of NC or Adidas I know not.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Cortese was personally involved in virtually every decision made at the club. Well I understand he liked to micro manage certain projects, but then much of Saints resergence was attributable to his vision, like it or not. And I just don't believe all of the Nasty Nick stories that many have rolled out.
CB Fry Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Oh but stripes are so terribly, terribly old fashioned and I wouldn't know if I was supporting Stoke or Sunderland or something. Far prefer our current kit. Cutting edge, dynamic and revolutionary, and utterly unique from any other kit any other team has ever worn in British football history.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 The use of an Adidas generic shirt (despite its admittedly better build and material quality) was a dreadful decision by someone...was it really NC? Anyone like to furnish absolute proof?
Hatch Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Can we get Gok Wan or someone to design, we would like dashing.
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 Nice. I'd be very happy with that. Ditto
Saint_clark Posted 4 February, 2014 Posted 4 February, 2014 seems to tie in with the rumours that cortese burnt a lot of bridges, do we really need a massive generic sports manufacturer linked with saints? I guess its beneficial Nike are paying United £74million a season from next season, so yes we want a massive generic sports manufacturer linked with us. And paying us handsomely for the privilege.
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 5 February, 2014 Posted 5 February, 2014 said this in a post weeks ago and most people as usual rubbished it! At least when its our own brand the players can have them made just once rather than having to send every players shirt to a Thai lady is Southampton to tailor them individually . Another cortese complaint I believe The away shirt is formation design which is fitted The home only comes in climacool design which is not a fitted shirt. Adidas would not make the shirts fitted for our players. Hence why when they arive the players shirts get sent away. So if you notice the ones the players use our different to the replica shirts. Well the home ones
diggers Posted 5 February, 2014 Posted 5 February, 2014 That Thai lady's made loads out of saints this season, she takes in all the shirts so that they're tight fitting on the sleeves so that they can't be pulled. All the players have warmed to her now they all take all their clobber to her to alter!
hans gruber Posted 5 February, 2014 Posted 5 February, 2014 ^ this Really breaks my heart to travel to Asia and see 4year old kids wearing Gerrard or Rooney Orange coloured shirts i saw a real cracker when i was on hols in the US last year... saw this obviously american kid wearing a fake manchester united top and on the back it said "manchester soccer" like in california they still don't know that manchester city exists
BlakeySFC Posted 5 February, 2014 Posted 5 February, 2014 (edited) said this in a post weeks ago and most people as usual rubbished it! At least when its our own brand the players can have them made just once rather than having to send every players shirt to a Thai lady is Southampton to tailor them individually . Another cortese complaint I believe The away shirt is formation design which is fitted The home only comes in climacool design which is not a fitted shirt. Adidas would not make the shirts fitted for our players. Hence why when they arive the players shirts get sent away. So if you notice the ones the players use our different to the replica shirts. Well the home ones Own brand shirts are incredibly mickey mouse, no PL team and hardly any FL teams (maybe none?) have them, the worst shirt I have EVER worn is the 2006/07 black/red away shirt, it was alright to look at but had absolutely no breathability whatsoever, it was a sweatbox. I'd accept almost any kit manufacturer, uhlsport, macron, jamo, umbro, puma ANYONE rather than making our own god-awful kits again, f*ck that. Edited 5 February, 2014 by BlakeySFC
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