S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Cost cutting can be taken in numerous ways. We're either utterly skint and need the money. (Athough not quite sure how much money we'll save by losing Martin, Lee, Barnard, Sharp, Punchen et all....not anything significant!) Although the clear obvious answer is that it's just sensible business work, trimming the squad and opening up spaces for the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 It's a valid question. Shaw has appeared for us in the past three seasons, playing 25 pl games last year. Chambers has done very well imo this year. But as I mentioned it is about the right balance. Gallagher deserves his chance based on what he has done for the youth team. But is he ready to be the clubs striker in the PL starting? Personally I think no. He is a good option to come off the bench right now. How many games at most will Gallagher get this season? We only have 15 more. The club posted YouTube video today of Lambert playing foot tennis - which means he is fit again. As others have said, we were surprised when JWP and others were rated so highly as ready for first team - but club have been proven right. Surely it makes sense, if Gallagher has the potential to be a prem player to give him a few games? Would he get that if we sign someone else? What's the worst that can happen? We don't catch Newcastle? Not sure if you saw his miss on TV or at ground? I was there and thought it a bad miss, having seen it on TV he reacted well and although good chance not as easy as I thought. Both Osvaldo and Lambert have missed easier in last few weeks. I hope we don't rush into any signings - someone good who fits into plans for next season fine but we do not need anyone this. There isn't cost cutting. If NC was here, publicly stating we will fund club to top four I fully expect we would have exactly the same window as this. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 There isn't cost cutting. :mcinnes:Of course there is cost cutting. We've shipped out a whole load of players were previously paying and that has reduced costs. That is cost cutting. The only question is what happens with the savings, pocketed or spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 We are at least one striker short if Osvaldo goes and there is no replacement no matter what anyone says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 :mcinnes:Of course there is cost cutting. We've shipped out a whole load of players were previously paying and that has reduced costs. That is cost cutting. The only question is what happens with the savings, pocketed or spent. Think your reaction shows lack of understanding. Cost cutting, in a business, is an specific aim to reduce expenditure to assist profit/loss. I don't think that has been the situation. Osvaldo has gone because he head butted Fonte. Not cost cutting. puncheon is he requested a move & palace needed to free loan place. Others because their careers were stagnating here never needed. The consequence of Osvaldo leaving is that our costs are reduced. That is very different to the club undertaking cost cutting. So, no need for your response. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Think your reaction shows lack of understanding. Cost cutting, in a business, is an specific aim to reduce expenditure to assist profit/loss. I don't think that has been the situation. Osvaldo has gone because he head butted Fonte. Not cost cutting. puncheon is he requested a move & palace needed to free loan place. Others because their careers were stagnating here never needed. The consequence of Osvaldo leaving is that our costs are reduced. That is very different to the club undertaking cost cutting. So, no need for your response. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk If he was not worth £15m and on big wages, do you think we would have still shipped him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Anyone else get the feeling we seem to be now doing a bit of cost cutting in regards to the club? Some players released, some sold, some sent out on loan, some staff gone etc etc. While I think it is wise to let go of people who are not offering anything here, I do worry if this could be a start of a trend with KL. This is of course me just having a 'feeling' which I hope is proved wrong by dumping the not so good and replacing them with better players. We've got rid of non-playing staff ? News to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 We've got rid of non-playing staff ? News to me. Er? Osvaldo? He hardly ever played. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Posted this on the locked thread... 20 out + Osvaldo. Just Lovren and wanyama in. Not worried too much about the players out, but does leave us looking light Osvaldo Danny Fox Aaron Martin Lee Barnard Tadanari Lee Fraser Colmer Billy Sharp Emmanuel Mayuka Dean Hammond Danny Butterfield Jason Puncheon Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Steve de Ridder Ryan Dickson Danny Seaborne Richard Chaplow Ben Reeves Vegard Forren Alberto Seidi Sam Hoskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Posted this on the locked thread... 20 out + Osvaldo. Just Lovren and wanyama in. Not worried too much about the players out, but does leave us looking light Osvaldo Danny Fox Aaron Martin Lee Barnard Tadanari Lee Fraser Colmer Billy Sharp Emmanuel Mayuka Dean Hammond Danny Butterfield Jason Puncheon Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Steve de Ridder Ryan Dickson Danny Seaborne Richard Chaplow Ben Reeves Vegard Forren Alberto Seidi Sam HoskinsOr maybe we were just too heavy before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Or maybe we were just too heavy before? Yes maybe. Rough calculation... Players out saving us £250k per week in wages (£12m per year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Some of our experts on here know best as usual.. Some acting like spoilt children.. Some with nasty remarks over a period of time re our players:rolleyes: Just enjoy the ride...relax/chill or whatever you young upstarts like to call it.. We are in very good hands... If the coach thinks Gallagher is ready...then have a little trust.. By the way....Gallagher is already better equipped to serve the team than Sharpe. Thanks to Sharpe and some of the others that have moved on...but they are yesterdays players... Poch is the man and clearly knows what he is doing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 The only real main player gone is Osvaldo, and we all know why. Aside from that the rest were surplus to requirements. We try to buy quality and usually we spend a long time assessing the transfer, not every transfer is going to work out well but Wanyama and Lovren have proved very good signings so far, Osvaldo not so much but hopefully we can at least re-coup most of the money. I would imagine they are looking at potential Striker targets but doubt we will have time or the will to do it in January. if we were cost cutting we would sell Gaston and cash in on Luke Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Cost cutting can be taken in numerous ways. We're either utterly skint and need the money. (Athough not quite sure how much money we'll save by losing Martin, Lee, Barnard, Sharp, Punchen et all....not anything significant!) Although the clear obvious answer is that it's just sensible business work, trimming the squad and opening up spaces for the summer. Totally agree. Nothing wrong with cutting costs and moving on players we don't need or are unhappy. That's sound common sense. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong, it probably should have happened earlier! PS I somehow nearly always find myself coming on to say something and you have already summed it up pretty well S-Clarke. I don't think I need to post, we seem to have quite similar views on football and the club.......I nearly commented as much on another post of yours today! Thanks for saving me time and money! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 February, 2014 Share Posted 1 February, 2014 If he was not worth £15m and on big wages, do you think we would have still shipped him out? If he had scored 18 goals, do you think we would have still shipped him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 February, 2014 Share Posted 1 February, 2014 (edited) We've got rid of non-playing staff ? News to me. cortese Edited 1 February, 2014 by Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 1 February, 2014 Share Posted 1 February, 2014 cortese If you add NC into the equation, the club has probably saved £150k a week in wages from the recent (confirmed) departure (plus trousering reported £1.7m from JP's sale) of: Cortese Fox Barnard Martin Puncheon Lee Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 1 February, 2014 Share Posted 1 February, 2014 If you add NC into the equation, the club has probably saved £150k a week in wages from the recent (confirmed) departure (plus trousering reported £1.7m from JP's sale) of: Cortese Fox Barnard Martin Puncheon Lee Sharp Sorry missed out Osvaldo from above list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 February, 2014 Share Posted 1 February, 2014 Not too bothered atall, we should be OK in the league so a great opportunity to blood in the talented youngsters and have a good look at them. Just get those 3 wins starting today to nail the league and concentrate on the cup. Why pay overinflated prices in Jan when we really don't need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 February, 2014 Share Posted 1 February, 2014 (edited) Anyone else get the feeling we seem to be now doing a bit of cost cutting in regards to the club? Some players released, some sold, some sent out on loan, some staff gone etc etc. While I think it is wise to let go of people who are not offering anything here, I do worry if this could be a start of a trend with KL. This is of course me just having a 'feeling' which I hope is proved wrong by dumping the not so good and replacing them with better players. there is a transitional period in every club from time to time..some people suggest that Man.Utd are going through one now. Looking at some of the " forgotten men " who suddenly pop-up as loans / free transfers.people ask themselves why they are still with the club and why they had a three year contract in the first place. Our success factor seems to have taken many " newer people " at the club by surprise (except the fans who always knew us as a Prem. League side anyway). The main " problem " was that few people expected so much quite so soon. When Nigel Adkins took over when we were in the bottom four of L1, the most important thing was to avoid relegation. But within two years ; a Wembley trophy and promotion to the Championship. Would the players we had really be good enough for the " higher division ".? There are well-known contributors on this site who doubted that the journeyman Rickie Lambert could replicate his L1 goalscoring efforts when we moved up to the higher division and guess what? ........It was then that we gave these L1 heroes contract extensions, as common sense said that it might well take another couple of seasons for us to build a team capable of getting a shot at the Prem. Inevitably, some of them fell by the wayside, and didn't make the grade, but still had their contracts which are now rapidly running out. Looking through his rose-coloured spectacles:smug:.. only Nicola Cortese saw that possibility of a higher level of football at SMS ..and guess what...we did it. This time the " Championship " heroes " were all given contract extensions ....and a pay-rise to match the " promotion clause " written in at the time. AND of course the same thing happened again. Billy Sharp was a hero, but clearly couldn't cut it in the Prem. Kelvin Davis' club record clean sheets, and who deserved much credit for his loyalty to the club when we were on the point of bankruptcy....suddenly meant nothing and he had a nightmare start to his Prem. career that you wouldn't wish on anyone. There were others too. Fox, Richardson, Hammond, Guly, Seaborne, De Ridder and Chaplow who made big contributions to that promotion but suddenly found their real level. Now we've come to the end of the line. We can feel confident in fielding a side with 3-4 of our own Academy products, but now the problem is to find the right balance of experienced international players to be alongside them in games, and mentor them on the pitch. (one might call that the Mc Menemy formula ). I don't read anything strange into this " house-cleaning " process, but merely see it as a natural progression that happens from time to time. At least now we have some real financial backing for once. IMHO ...a similar process will start to take place in the national side, but not until after the World Cup....though it may take a trifle longer with the English cricket team R.I.P. Edited 1 February, 2014 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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