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Anyone else get the feeling we seem to be now doing a bit of cost cutting in regards to the club?

Some players released, some sold, some sent out on loan, some staff gone etc etc.

 

While I think it is wise to let go of people who are not offering anything here, I do worry if this could be a start of a trend with KL. This is of course me just having a 'feeling' which I hope is proved wrong by dumping the not so good and replacing them with better players.

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Anyone else get the feeling we seem to be now doing a bit of cost cutting in regards to the club?

Some players released, some sold, some sent out on loan, some staff gone etc etc.

 

While I think it is wise to let go of people who are not offering anything here, I do worry if this could be a start of a trend with KL. This is of course me just having a 'feeling' which I hope is proved wrong by dumping the not so good and replacing them with better players.

 

We had a thread about this literally yesterday....

 

No.

 

Sorry not been here on ages, don't have the time to go through every page/thread...

 

It was near the top of the 1st page...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48848-Cost-Cutting-January#.UuvGznl8bR4

 

The players that have left weren't really considered to be in the first team or of use by Pochettino. He said no player he wants to keep will leave in January and that still looks to be the case. Even if Osvaldo goes, that will still be a lot down to the Fonte incident.

 

The club have merely shifted from the wage bill those players that weren't able to keep up with the progress of the club. many of them deserve thanks for helping Saints into the Premier League but why would they keep a player that isn't going to be of use for a top half Premier League team. Better to move them on for their own careers and free up money for Saints to strengthen in the summer.

 

You are right, it is cost cutting. But its cost cutting for good reason, the players that have left offer no real benefit to a top half Premier League team and the money would be better spent elsewhere.

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Anyone else get the feeling we seem to be now doing a bit of cost cutting in regards to the club?

Some players released, some sold, some sent out on loan, some staff gone etc etc.

 

While I think it is wise to let go of people who are not offering anything here, I do worry if this could be a start of a trend with KL. This is of course me just having a 'feeling' which I hope is proved wrong by dumping the not so good and replacing them with better players.

 

Why pay players we're not going to play?

 

What a waste of money, a lot of money, millions of pounds. This money could therefore be spent in the summer.

 

Some of our fans are a bit thick.

 

We are theoretically safe now and we get any injuries we have some backup and plenty of young players to give a go to - it's really not going to hurt us this season to give these guys a chance as and when we need to.

 

People bleating on about Osvaldo; yes, the guy has undoubted talent, but he score 3 goals for us and missed half the season so far due to mystery injuries and suspension. He's a clown. Had he scored 14 goals so far then yes, I'm sure we'd be correct in being more concerned.

 

Jesus H.

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Why pay players we're not going to play?

 

What a waste of money, a lot of money, millions of pounds. This money could therefore be spent in the summer.

 

Some of our fans are a bit thick.

 

We are theoretically safe now and we get any injuries we have some backup and plenty of young players to give a go to - it's really not going to hurt us this season to give these guys a chance as and when we need to.

 

People bleating on about Osvaldo; yes, the guy has undoubted talent, but he score 3 goals for us and missed half the season so far due to mystery injuries and suspension. He's a clown. Had he scored 14 goals so far then yes, I'm sure we'd be correct in being more concerned.

 

Jesus H.

 

Think that's a bit harsh isn't it?

 

The whole point of a 24 player squad is to have your first team then back up players. If injuries happen which they will then those players need to come into the team. Right now we have a striker problem. We have let three go (Osvaldo, Sharp, Barnard) and we have a couple injured. So that leaves Gallagher and Jay Rod. Which is fine and playing Sam will gain him some important experience. But if Jay Rod gets injured then what? Another youngster we not heard of comes in? Guly?

 

Personally I think Sharp could of done a job for us from the bench or come in when players are injured.

 

But anyways mods close the thread please as there is another one :)

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Anyone else get the feeling we seem to be now doing a bit of cost cutting in regards to the club?

Some players released, some sold, some sent out on loan, some staff gone etc etc.

 

While I think it is wise to let go of people who are not offering anything here, I do worry if this could be a start of a trend with KL. This is of course me just having a 'feeling' which I hope is proved wrong by dumping the not so good and replacing them with better players.

 

Mods keep locking these (not sure why)

 

20 out and only 2 in since the summer.......

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Mods keep locking these (not sure why)

 

20 out and only 2 in since the summer.......

 

Because the people that start these threads are... a) wind-up merchants or b) daft or even c) a combination of the two

 

The players that left have all done so for good reason and are of no use to the first team of a top half Premier League side or like with Osvaldo have left for non footballing reasons.

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Bit harsh - st marco, barry and batman.... all wums???

 

Barry Sanchez, batman and yourself are wind-up merchants (as you well know).

 

St Marco isn't a wind-up merchant, he is just misguided with this thread. Yes, it is cost cutting, but it is cost cutting for good reason. The players that have left bar Osvaldo are of no use to us in the top half of the Premier League. Osvaldo left because he is a mentalist, not cost cutting.

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Why pay players we're not going to play?

 

What a waste of money, a lot of money, millions of pounds. This money could therefore be spent in the summer.

 

Some of our fans are a bit thick.

 

We are theoretically safe now and we get any injuries we have some backup and plenty of young players to give a go to - it's really not going to hurt us this season to give these guys a chance as and when we need to.

 

People bleating on about Osvaldo; yes, the guy has undoubted talent, but he score 3 goals for us and missed half the season so far due to mystery injuries and suspension. He's a clown. Had he scored 14 goals so far then yes, I'm sure we'd be correct in being more concerned.

 

Jesus H.

 

Yeah but signing no players is so damn boring!

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With the money we save in wages we can extend Mopos contract. We can afford the wages of several top top players in the summer, we will look good to potential buyers having unloaded a load of surplus to requirement contracts..,.our income to wages ratio will be massively improved....which means our open market value will also go up and we can try out some of the kids and maybe they will zoom up in value...there are loads of pluses so lets face it - we are not going down so its a free hit for KL...

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Because the people that start these threads are... a) wind-up merchants or b) daft or even c) a combination of the two

 

The players that left have all done so for good reason and are of no use to the first team of a top half Premier League side or like with Osvaldo have left for non footballing reasons.

 

Think it is safe to say I am no WUM or have zero history of doing that....In fact I'd say I am one of the more positive people on here. So take your branding brush and take it elsewhere.

 

I think it is a valid point that does not make you 'thick' or a 'WUM' to ask.

 

The simple question is as a team does losing Osvaldo, Fox, Puncheon, Sharp, Barnard, Martin, Mayuka etc make us a stronger or weaker team in regards to depth?

 

I imagine you think stronger?

 

This is a forum where you are supposed to 'discuss' and 'debate'. If we have now got to the point where you have to have one opinion and are not allowed to question others then what's the point of it? Should put a disclaimer on the forum saying 'please don't question anyone's opinion because if you do you are wrong'....

 

Also do add a stat as I know you like them. Those players I mention above have together scored 45 goals for Saints over the past few years. That's a lot of goals.

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Think it is safe to say I am no WUM or have zero history of doing that....In fact I'd say I am one of the more positive people on here. So take your branding brush and take it elsewhere.

 

I think it is a valid point that does not make you 'thick' or a 'WUM' to ask.

 

The simple question is as a team does losing Osvaldo, Fox, Puncheon, Sharp, Barnard, Martin, Mayuka etc make us a stronger or weaker team in regards to depth?

 

I imagine you think stronger?

 

This is a forum where you are supposed to 'discuss' and 'debate'. If we have now got to the point where you have to have one opinion and are not allowed to question others then what's the point of it? Should put a disclaimer on the forum saying 'please don't question anyone's opinion because if you do you are wrong'....

 

I've already said you aren't a wind up merchant. You are just misguided with this thread. Yes, it is cost cutting, but it is cost cutting for good reason. The players that have left bar Osvaldo are of no use to us in the top half of the Premier League. Osvaldo left because he is a mentalist, not cost cutting.

 

Apart from Osvaldo the players that have gone this month make no real difference to the strength of the squad as they weren't considered as part of the first team squad anyway by Pochettino. Even Fox who has been in the first team, stopped making the match day eighteen and when he did play he was a liability. Perhaps Pochettino has seen more promise from Targett.

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Think it is safe to say I am no WUM or have zero history of doing that....In fact I'd say I am one of the more positive people on here. So take your branding brush and take it elsewhere.

 

I think it is a valid point that does not make you 'thick' or a 'WUM' to ask.

 

The simple question is as a team does losing Osvaldo, Fox, Puncheon, Sharp, Barnard, Martin, Mayuka etc make us a stronger or weaker team in regards to depth?

 

I imagine you think stronger?

 

This is a forum where you are supposed to 'discuss' and 'debate'. If we have now got to the point where you have to have one opinion and are not allowed to question others then what's the point of it? Should put a disclaimer on the forum saying 'please don't question anyone's opinion because if you do you are wrong'....

 

Puncheon, Sharp, Barnard, Martin, Mayuka haven't played at all this season, so I struggle to see how this makes the team weaker?

 

Lee and Fox have hardly played, so it's of little significance really. There was a mild meltdown anytime Fox played, so why are people so upset about him leaving now? Chambers has progressed at a rate not many could have predicted, so if something happens to Shaw Chambers or Clyne can cover. Even JWP has done a stint at full back this season and Cork has previously.

 

Speaking of Shaw & Chambers, no one seems to be bothered about us "relying" on these two 18 year olds. Hasn't gone so badly with them, so why not get behind Gallagher?

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Looks to me as though a number of issues that needed resolving but for one reason or another NC would not budge on are now being sorted rapidly. All these decisions make sense and should have been sorted before. There is no asset stripping here, just removal of dead wood and bad apples!

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If we don't replace Osvaldo it does hint at Ms L trying to balance the books IMO.

 

I dont think we should go out and buy a striker just for the sake of it we need time to see if Gallagher is going to be a proper PL striker this time last year who would have thought chambers would be a regular in the side

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I've already said you aren't a wind up merchant. You are just misguided with this thread. Yes, it is cost cutting, but it is cost cutting for good reason. The players that have left bar Osvaldo are of no use to us in the top half of the Premier League. Osvaldo left because he is a mentalist, not cost cutting.

 

Apart from Osvaldo the players that have gone this month make no real difference to the strength of the squad as they weren't considered as part of the first team squad anyway by Pochettino. Even Fox who has been in the first team no longer makes the match day eighteen anymore and when he did he was a liability. Pochettino clearly think Targett is a better option.

 

So do you agree that by removing the older players (League one and Championship) that unless there are players added to the squad then as a club we have become weaker? I don't think it is a negative thing to say that. Players come and go, that's football. But right now players are going and not coming. Which is an indication of cutting costs imo. As a squad I don't think it is wise to keep adding young inexperienced players. Gallagher is looking a good prospect but his miss against Arsenal was shocking, one which an experienced player would of buried. There needs to be balance between experience and youth.

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If we don't replace Osvaldo it does hint at Ms L trying to balance the books IMO.

 

I agree that's a vaild interpretation. Another equally valid interpretation is that the 'right' player simply isn't available in the January window and Pochettino, having seen Gallagher slot in well on Tuesday, has simply decided there's no point making a knee-jerk 'second best' transfer to replace Osvaldo just for the sake of doing so.

 

Who knows.

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If we don't replace Osvaldo it does hint at Ms L trying to balance the books IMO.

 

If he isn't replaced by September 2014 then I'd agree with you. But I doubt the club wants to rush into anything before the summer in an inflated January market where clubs are less willing generally to let star players leave.

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Puncheon, Sharp, Barnard, Martin, Mayuka haven't played at all this season, so I struggle to see how this makes the team weaker?

 

Like I said above, its about having experience being able to come in and cover for those who are injured. You have to have the right balance. If Jay Rod get's injured then what? Would you be happy to see Jake Sinclair or Jamal Branker play up front alongside Gallagher?

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Puncheon, Sharp, Barnard, Martin, Mayuka haven't played at all this season, so I struggle to see how this makes the team weaker?

 

Like I said above, its about having experience being able to come in and cover for those who are injured. You have to have the right balance. If Jay Rod get's injured then what? Would you be happy to see Jake Sinclair or Jamal Branker play up front alongside Gallagher?

 

Which of the players that have left would you use in such circumstance? None of the players KelvinsRightGlove listed have been in our first team this season. Them leaving doesn't make us weaker as they weren't really part of the squad anyway and are below the level we need as a top half Premier League team.

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If we don't replace Osvaldo it does hint at Ms L trying to balance the books IMO.
or MP will be gone in the summer and so the club are not getting in his players.....or we know we are most likely to finish 9th and so there is no need to strengthen until the summer. prices seem to be higher in Jan
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Sharp without a doubt. The guy scores goals. He puts in the shift which fits with our pressing style.

 

He has never scored a Premier League goal in his career and the team that signed him is in the bottom half of the Championship. I think that should tell you something about his level.

 

The club clearly see Gallagher as ready for the Premier League, they've been right with Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Chambers, so why not trust them about Gallagher over Sharp?

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Like I said above, its about having experience being able to come in and cover for those who are injured. You have to have the right balance. If Jay Rod get's injured then what? Would you be happy to see Jake Sinclair or Jamal Branker play up front alongside Gallagher?

 

Three weeks ago you would have put Sharp ahead of Gallagher.

 

None of those players were ever going to play for Saints again.

 

None of them. Not even in a post-apocalypictic St Mary's distopia caused by Osvaldo's tongs burning down the stadium and killing the entire first team squad.

 

None of them will (or would have) played for Saints again. None of them. Ever.

 

Get over it.

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Like I said above, its about having experience being able to come in and cover for those who are injured. You have to have the right balance. If Jay Rod get's injured then what? Would you be happy to see Jake Sinclair or Jamal Branker play up front alongside Gallagher?

 

It's disingenuous to make out that players that have not featured this season, not even in 25 man squad leaving makes us weaker. It makes no difference what so ever.

 

Osvaldo makes us weaker, agreed. But, why sign someone if there isn't a better option available? For the sake of it?

 

I hate the transfer window. It turns fans into spoiled brats. They want signings no matter who they are.

 

Gallagher has come into the squad, which he wasn't really before. So that is an option. He is unproven, but a foreign import is unproven too. As I said on another thread we spent c£13m on an Italian International striker with a pretty good record in Serie A & La Liga and had worked with our manager before. Did he really make us any better? Unfortunately, I don't really think he did, no. If rumours are to be believed about the Fonte incident not being the first, you may argue he made us weaker by being a disruptive influence.

 

Obviously, it would be good if we could get someone in. But only if they are going to actually improve the team, I don't see a great deal of those transfers happening at the moment. Just panic signings. No need for Saints to panic, so why make a panic signing?

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Has he been given a chance to?

 

See the rest of that post.

 

He has never scored a Premier League goal in his career and the team that signed him is in the bottom half of the Championship. I think that should tell you something about his level.

 

The club clearly see Gallagher as ready for the Premier League, they've been right with Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Chambers, so why not trust them about Gallagher over Sharp?

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Sharp without a doubt. The guy scores goals. He puts in the shift which fits with our pressing style.

 

If you really think that, you are ignoring the evidence of a long career. Sharp has never been someone who will help a team who aim to keep the pressure up by holding the ball in the opponents third. Hopefully now he is back at the right standard where his biff bash style can prosper he will start scoring goals again, although he struggled badly at Forest last year.

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Three weeks ago you would have put Sharp ahead of Gallagher.

 

None of those players were ever going to play for Saints again.

 

None of them. Not even in a post-apocalypictic St Mary's distopia caused by Osvaldo's tongs burning down the stadium and killing the entire first team squad.

 

None of them will (or would have) played for Saints again. None of them. Ever.

 

Get over it.

 

I would still choose Sharp over Gallagher right now. Sam 'could' be a good player. But right now I think it's wrong to put the pressure on him.

 

The teams around us have been adding to their squads. We haven't. Is that because our squad is okay as it is?

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I would still choose Sharp over Gallagher right now. Sam 'could' be a good player. But right now I think it's wrong to put the pressure on him.

 

The teams around us have been adding to their squads. We haven't. Is that because our squad is okay as it is?

 

Yes. It is.

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I would still choose Sharp over Gallagher right now. Sam 'could' be a good player. But right now I think it's wrong to put the pressure on him.

 

The teams around us have been adding to their squads. We haven't. Is that because our squad is okay as it is?

 

Was it wrong to put pressure on Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Chambers?

 

Other teams are adding to their squad because they don't consider their players to be good enough. We clearly do.

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I would still choose Sharp over Gallagher right now. Sam 'could' be a good player. But right now I think it's wrong to put the pressure on him.

 

So would you play...

 

Fox over Shaw?

Chaplow over Ward-Prowse?

Richardson over Chambers?

 

Why would you trust the club with those decisions, but not Gallagher over Sharp?

 

Unlike Shaw and Chambers, Gallagher isn't going to be first choice, he still has Lambert ahead of him in the pecking order.

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What is wrong with cost cutting anyway? Doesn't matter how wealthy you are, it is still a bit daft they spend money you don't need to. What is the point of paying wages for players that will never make any impact on the progress of the club? Who is better for our future, Sam Gallagher or lee Barnard? Osvaldo is a different scenario. If he had been banging in goals Negredo style for half a season then his departure would be a big loss. As it happens, I doubt we will notice the difference - and it is highly unlikely there is a player of the right quality/profile to replace him available in this window.

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Why is it ok to play JWP, Shaw & Chambers and not Gallagher?

 

It's a valid question.

 

Shaw has appeared for us in the past three seasons, playing 25 pl games last year. Chambers has done very well imo this year. But as I mentioned it is about the right balance.

Gallagher deserves his chance based on what he has done for the youth team. But is he ready to be the clubs striker in the PL starting? Personally I think no. He is a good option to come off the bench right now.

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Im happy that Gallagher has been added to the squad and will get game time. I also doubt he would have been promoted so quickly if Osvaldo hadn't gone. With a semi crocked Lambert and and Rodriguez who doesnt seem to flourish in the centre we are clearly a goal scorer short. That said, given we are safe now for the season, I'd rather wait to the summer to get the right person than panic buy in January.

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It's a valid question.

 

Shaw has appeared for us in the past three seasons, playing 25 pl games last year. Chambers has done very well imo this year. But as I mentioned it is about the right balance.

Gallagher deserves his chance based on what he has done for the youth team. But is he ready to be the clubs striker in the PL starting? Personally I think no. He is a good option to come off the bench right now.

 

Gallagher is still behind Lambert in the pecking order. Gallagher won't be starting many games, he'll be the striker option on the bench. I think you should put more trust in the coaching team to know when teenagers are ready. They got it right with Shaw, Chambers, Ward-Prowse.

 

Using your logic we wouldn't have replaced Fox with Shaw in the starting lineup last season. This is actually Shaw's 2nd season, not his 3rd.

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We can still recall the services of the 2012 Africa Cup of Nations Golden Boot winnner if needs must. I am sure SG will give a good account of himself, and I'm looking forward to watching his development. As for us making the club leaner by having a clearout, as long as SFC doesn't go the same way as the other companies Markus left his daughter, surely thats a good thing?

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