Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 looks like it to me so much of 'no one will be sold' 3 out so far (ossie is clearly going) and none of any quality (at all) in only us and newcastle are weaker thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Weaker because Barnard, Sharp and Martin have gone? Seriously? If anything these kind of players should have gone in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 (edited) We've already been through this nonsense with Barry Sanchez. The players that have left weren't really considered to be in the first team or of use by Pochettino. He said no player he wants to keep will leave in January and that still looks to be the case. Even if Osvaldo goes, that will still be a lot down to the Fonte incident. The club have merely shifted from the wage bill those players that weren't able to keep up with the progress of the club. many of them deserve thanks for helping Saints into the Premier League but why would they keep a player that isn't going to be of use for a top half Premier League team. Better to move them on for their own careers and free up money for Saints to strengthen in the summer. You are right, it is cost cutting. But its cost cutting for good reason, the players that have left offer no real benefit to a top half Premier League team and the money would be better spent elsewhere. Edited 30 January, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Talk about selecting the quote to suit your message. I am sure Poch said nobody he wanted to be would be sold. You think we should have kept Aaron Martin then? Lets just assume for a second that maybe Poch knows best on this one shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 You are honestly sorry that any of the players that have left are gone? Jesus. Get a life mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48842 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Weaker because Barnard, Sharp and Martin have gone? Seriously? If anything these kind of players should have gone in the summer. no, puncheon definitely not coming back Fox gone no italian international to come in we squander enough chances and lose points, now with a pretty static lambert and an 18 year old up front. we are a weaker squad so far whist most have strengthened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Fox was **** and a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 no, puncheon definitely not coming back Fox gone no italian international to come in we squander enough chances and lose points, now with a pretty static lambert and an 18 year old up front. we are a weaker squad so far whist most have strengthened Fox didn't make the match day 18 anymore and when he did he was a liability at Premier League level. Puncheon hasn't played a single game for us this season. How are we weaker? The Osvaldo situation is down to his fight with Fonte, not cost cutting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Fox didn't even make the match day squad and Puncheon hasn't played a single game for us this season. How are we weaker? are you saying that we are no weaker with just osvaldo going...as a squad scrap that, you will say yes as you are an anal **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Hang on, am I reading this right? Fox, Barnard and Martin going has made us weaker? As for Osvaldo, most were slagging him off and saying he was sh*t so he's clearly no loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Hang on, am I reading this right? Fox, Barnard and Martin going has made us weaker? no, mainly osvaldo, which I have stated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 (edited) are you saying that we are no weaker with just osvaldo going...as a squad scrap that, you will say yes as you are an anal **** Fox and Puncheon going, makes little to no difference to the quality of the squad for the reasons I've already outlined. Yes, Osvaldo going does weaken us, but he hasn't really contributed that much to our season. The Osvaldo situation is down to his fight with Fonte, not cost cutting. Plus him going may improve morale and he hasn't actually gone yet. If we can't get a good replacement for Osvaldo in a few days they shouldn't rush and pay over the odds for a striker in the barmy January market. We'll be fine until the summer and can reassess things then. Edited 30 January, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 we are a weaker squad Lee never played. Barnard never played. Martin never played. Puncheon didn't fit in/want to be here. Fox was a liability and now we have Clyne/Chambers/Targett Osvaldo is a liabilty and we have Gallagher coming in. Would be good to get another striker in but no point if we can't find a decent target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Hang on, am I reading this right? Fox, Barnard and Martin going has made us weaker? As for Osvaldo, most were slagging him off and saying he was sh*t so he's clearly no loss. Have we? I'm off to slash my wrists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Lee never played. Barnard never played. Martin never played. Puncheon didn't fit in/want to be here. Fox was a liability and now we have Clyne/Chambers/Targett Osvaldo is a liabilty and we have Gallagher coming in. Would be good to get another striker in but no point if we can't find a decent target. gallagher has always been here right fair enough no one thinks that with Osvaldo going to are in now way any weaker than we were a while ago. let me see that post match rection thread after the man city game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 are you saying that we are no weaker with just osvaldo going...as a squad scrap that, you will say yes as you are an anal **** I'll bite, he hasn't played for ages anyway and did little when he did, although you could obviously see the quality. Other than winning us 1 point against City his contribution hasn't been staggering, so no I don't think we a significantly weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 I'll bite, he hasn't played for ages anyway and did little when he did, although you could obviously see the quality. Other than winning us 1 point against City his contribution hasn't been staggering, so no I don't think we a significantly weaker. but still weaker than relying on an 18 year old rookie. obviously, he has to go/is going. But he is leaving a huge void in the squad. do Juve want sam gallagher? no Be just a massive shame not to add a player of quality in the window. the only other team I can see that is weaker in the window in newcastle but they are about to sign a decent player, hopefully, we will too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 ...and how can we be sure no-one will be coming in? Let' wait and see. Whatever happens now, Osvaldo probably has to go, and I've been willing him to be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 looks like it to me so much of 'no one will be sold' 3 out so far (ossie is clearly going) and none of any quality (at all) in only us and newcastle are weaker thus far. None of those that left I have a problem with leaving, in fact it makes sense In reality its a sensible January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 The players who've left are irrelevant with the exception of Puncheon. At least he gave us something different and with Ramirez out Punch would've been handy to have around. We are a weaker squad but through injuries rather than the sale of players. We desperately need a striker & a defender. Fox is no real loss but I do wonder what we'll do if Shaw picks up an injury. If we don't add a bit of depth I don't see us finishing in the top half of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 People are ignoring what was actually said. ''No one WHO I WANT TO KEEP will be sold'' We're clearing out players who haven't played for us in over 2 years. Martin, Barnard, Sharp. Puncheon wasn't here anyway......and Fox was barley included this year, and as all has been discussed already - isn't good enough anyway. We've allowed players to get on with their careers. For whatever reason Cortese demaded top dollar for everyone, so players who were no where near our first team were priced out of moves constantly. I don't see this as cost cutting, a fire sale or anything as drastic. I see it as the club showing a bit of feeling and allowing these unused players to continue their footballing careers. The only one who doesn't full into that category would be Osvaldo, but I think you can all say he made his own bed with this one. If he hadn't of done what he did, he'd still be here, but he decided to be a pillock and get himself shifted out. I don't think many will shed any tears at his departure. It would be nice to bring another in, I think we're still out there trying IMO. If we don't, although it's a little disappointing, it's not the end of the world. We're unlikely to move up a place, or drop a place, and the players who have contributed to our season so far are all still here and playing regularly. That's the important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 so much of 'no one will be sold' That's not what was said. Poch said no one he didn't want to sell will be sold. A lot of these fringe players are just clogging up the system and needed to be moved on. He probably wasn't bargaining on Osvaldo's punch-up but he's hardly set the world on fire since he's been here and he will be replaced (if not now, in the summer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Lee never played. Barnard never played. Martin never played. Puncheon didn't fit in/want to be here. Fox was a liability and now we have Clyne/Chambers/Targett Osvaldo is a liabilty and we have Gallagher coming in. Don't forget Billy Sharp and Mayuka Still we have Johno Quick hidden in a cupboard somewhere I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 looks like it to me so much of 'no one will be sold' 3 out so far (ossie is clearly going) and none of any quality (at all) in only us and newcastle are weaker thus far. not sure we are weaker in any way with those three leaving. None were part of the playing squad. Their departures are just natural for a team recently promoted. if their contracts had been up in the summer we got promoted they would have gone then, but they stuck around because the wages were higher than they could get elsewhere. The no one will be sold statement was before the headbutt wasn't it? So I am not sure you can hold that one against the club should Osvaldo depart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 are we not weaker as a squad without ossie? obviously yes, not replacing him would be daft. we got him because we obviously needed a striker. you only have to look how static lambert has become and how many chances we fluff time after time and people harbour ambitions for the club to win the FA Cup it aint going to happen with this squad. Not whilst trying to win every prem game we play (as that is always going to be the case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 wtf is all this bolloaks again then? Osvaldo hasn't gone anywhere and probably won't, Puncheon was on a season long loan so nothing has changed there and the rest is just flotsam accumulated from times past who have nothing to do with the first team squad apart from the much maligned Fox who doesn't play any more anyway. We have sold nobody which is exactly what KL said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 DellDays has had a 'mare on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 are we not weaker as a squad without ossie? Playing Devil's advocate, could it not be argued that we are actually stronger as a squad without a disruptive influence? I've always rated his talent but it was clearly not working for him here, a great pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 are we not weaker as a squad without ossie? obviously yes, not replacing him would be daft. we got him because we obviously needed a striker. you only have to look how static lambert has become and how many chances we fluff time after time and people harbour ambitions for the club to win the FA Cup it aint going to happen with this squad. Not whilst trying to win every prem game we play (as that is always going to be the case) As I said before....the players that got us off to our great start are all still here, all still playing and are all still available. (or will be within a week or 2) Barnard, Sharp, Puncheon, Fox, Lee wouldn't have made any different to anything this season. Osvaldo dug his own grave, not the clubs fault at all. If anything, the reason we look weaker at the moment is due to the injuries to Gaston and Lovren - not because of the pretty irrelevant bunch of departures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 are we not weaker as a squad without ossie? obviously yes, not replacing him would be daft. we got him because we obviously needed a striker. you only have to look how static lambert has become and how many chances we fluff time after time and people harbour ambitions for the club to win the FA Cup it aint going to happen with this squad. Not whilst trying to win every prem game we play (as that is always going to be the case) So Osvaldo is your sticking point? As clarified Fox, Martin and punch make perfect sense, Osvaldo doesn't want to be here and therefore is transfer listed, MP said we're looking to bring others in, are you really this dumb? If Osvaldo goes and no one is brought in then YES we're weaker, but that's not due to lack of ambition or fire sale, it's due to not finding the right replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2014 As I said before....the players that got us off to our great start are all still here, all still playing and are all still available. Barnard, Sharp, Puncheon, Fox, Lee wouldn't have made any different to anything this season. Osvaldo dug his own grave, not the clubs fault at all. If anything, the reason we look weaker at the moment is due to the injuries to Gaston and Lovren - not because of the pretty irrelevant bunch of departures. our record signing that is going to juve is not insignificant. we invested massively in him for a reason. now we have (or wont have) any of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 our record signing that is going to juve is not insignificant. we invested massively in him for a reason. now we have (or wont have) any of that It's insignificant because up to now he has contributed the grand total of diddly squat to our season. And I doubt that would have changed this year. It's all well and good saying he's available, but it would help if he actually done something on the pitch, which he didn't really do at any point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 If Osvaldo had been playing well, scoring goals etc etc the situation with Fonte would probably have been handled differently, it may not have arisen at all. I am convinced that we will be getting a striker in to replace him (if he does in fact go to Juve) and I also wouldn't be suprised if we saw another defender too, maybe Astori (although that could just be wishful thinking). The great thing is we just don't know, the club - despite the recent turmoil and changes in the boardroom - seems committed to the secrecy and tactics of keeping signings close to their chest, which I actually agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Mods locked Barry's thread... Why leave this nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48842 hard to guage which thread was worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Fook, how did we all miss the transfer window slamming shut, thought there was another 28 hours to go yet? Usually all the big deals are done in the last few hours, obviously never happened this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 What a weird thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 looks like it to me so much of 'no one will be sold' 3 out so far (ossie is clearly going) and none of any quality (at all) in only us and newcastle are weaker thus far. Cyber bullying alert, why did my post from5 hours ago get locked for posting exactly the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Tbf it's ridiculous if Osvaldo isn't replaced in some form or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Tbf it's ridiculous if Osvaldo isn't replaced in some form or another What if it's a **** form or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 We've probably saved over 100k a week getting rid of these guys, and then some for osvaldo. I'd rather we pay that to someone who's gonna play and make a difference. Some scoff at high wages but when you look at what we've been paying to players that don't play, and were never likely to since reaching the prem, theres more money wasted there than on one player that will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 What if it's a **** form or another? It's as much about showing intention. Osvaldo was sh#t but at least it showed ambition signing him. It'd be a tad worrying if we sold/released/loaned about 5 players this window included one for 2 mill and our record signing, without anyone being brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 OK, panic over, there is still 28 hours to go. Phew, that was close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 It's as much about showing intention. Osvaldo was sh#t but at least it showed ambition signing him. It'd be a tad worrying if we sold/released/loaned about 5 players this window included one for 2 mill and our record signing, without anyone being brought in. Poch said today that's it difficult to get a player who fits our profile. That's especially true in January. He didn't rule anything out though. No big deal if we don't IMO. It won't be the different between Europe/Relegation and Gallagher will get more opportunities now, he looks pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Pochettino on deadline day: "I am very calm. We are fully aware that there is one day left. That in football is a very long time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Poch said today that's it difficult to get a player who fits our profile. That's especially true in January. He didn't rule anything out though. No big deal if we don't IMO. It won't be the different between Europe/Relegation and Gallagher will get more opportunities now, he looks pretty good. I don't think it matters at all in terms of performances on the pitch, they were all sh#te or not playing, but it would leave me worried that the Osvaldo money will be a chunk of our budget for the summer with little extra being put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 are you saying that we are no weaker with just osvaldo going...as a squad scrap that, you will say yes as you are an anal **** My honest answer to that is NO we are not weaker, as a squad Osvaldo has not played much for us really He is (was) a disruptive influence. The Fonte incident was NOT the first incident by any means He had a bad reputation before he got here, and unfortunately (for us) he lived up to it. I cannot think why you are banging on about a person who had, without a shadow of a doubt, was more trouble than he was worth You cannot put a price on comradery, team spirit, and togetherness, but boy oh boy, IMHO, you can certainly see the difference that his ABSENCE has made to Team morale His legacy at Saints ?? a couple of seconds v Man City, and shed loads of trouble. Not a bad return for £15M Also, IMHO. Gallagher has shown more HEART, enthusiasm, and sheer EFFORT in the Two matches that he has been involved in. I will always applaud that instead of a tempermental Nut Job With the right handling Samm Gallagher us going to be BIG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 no, puncheon definitely not coming back Fox gone no italian international to come in we squander enough chances and lose points, now with a pretty static lambert and an 18 year old up front. we are a weaker squad so far whist most have strengthened In fact we are a stronger squad having got rid of players who weren't good enough and yet frankly got in the the way of players who might develop and come through. As someone else has pointed out Sharp, Puncheon, Martin and Fox should have gone in the summer but I guess no-one wanted to buy them which tells its own story. Fox is probably different as it probably wasn't safe to assume that both Shaw and Chambers would turn out to be as good as they are. They have. None of it is exactly rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Very dissappointing, Desperately needed to replace Osvaldo and we're now relying on an 18 year old to deliver the goals if Rickie gets injured again. Could've also done with another CB in (as Hooiveld isn't upto it) and a LB as back up to Shaw. What a great start to the new era eh? 'No one will be sold' my @rse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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