Matthew Le Tissier Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Looking very unlikely that Glen Johnson will go to the World Cup, surly Clyne must be on Woys Waydar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Depends if he can get in the Saints side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Walker, Smalling, Jones Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Walker, Smalling, Jones Unfortunately. They will all likely go regardless of Johnson being injured or not, the latter two as the 3rd and 4th choice centre backs. If Johnson is out of the World Cup England will need another right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 24 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Only good for us now as I'm sure Clyne will push that little bit harder knowing he has more chance of boarding the plane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Yeah we can see, but Woy won't take Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Yeah we can see, but Woy won't take Clyne. What are the other options? No other decent English right backs play regularly for their clubs. England will likely take two attacking right backs and Hodgson has already said in the build up to the last England games... "Clyne is always in our thoughts, Ward-Prowse and Shaw are outstanding individuals, you have Chambers and other academy players who are very interesting." If Johnson doesn't make it, Clyne's main obstacle maybe keeping ahead of Chambers for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I know, but Woy will choose Smalling/Jones first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 24 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2014 They both will go any way as mlg said. Oh and they play for utd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 He will use the slot for another position, as you said they are both there already and can cover RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 He will use the slot for another position, as you said they are both there already and can cover RB. Smalling and Jones wouldn't play right back in the same way Walker, Clyne or Johnson would. Very much shoe horning a centre back into right back. Smalling and Jones will be going regardless of Johnson being injured or not. So if Hodgson is going to take 2 right backs (Johnson/Walker) and 4 centre backs (Jagielka/Cahill/Jones/Samlling) I don't see why an injury to Johnson means he'd then change the balance of the squad and bring an extra midfielder or striker instead. More likely he'd find a straight replacement for Johnson as an attacking right back, something which Smalling and Jones aren't and they'd be in the squad anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I know they are centrebacks filling in, but going on what Roy has done in the past I expect this to happen again. I would love Clyne there but I can't see it on past choices Roy has made in the RB slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I know, but Woy will choose Smalling/Jones first. God knows how, both useless with the personas of 2 blokes who have accidentally found themselves playing for reputedly the most famous football team in the world and England as a result, but know that they are going to be found out soon for the Pub team players they actually are. Roy was at the Chelsea game last week and more often than not looked less than impressed at the showing of Ingerlands "finest". If Clyne can get fit and back into the team I can see him sneaking onto the Brazil bound plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 woy i fixated on crap man united players smalling is a RB for united now, played there for England. it will be Smalling and Walker I suspect Smalling - crap Jones - not very good Cleverley - utter crap welbeck - very average all play for man u (no wonder they have fallen so much) so guaranteed to get into the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I know, but Woy will choose Smalling/Jones first. He will use the slot for another position, as you said they are both there already and can cover RB. I know they are centrebacks filling in, but going on what Roy has done in the past I expect this to happen again. I would love Clyne there but I can't see it on past choices Roy has made in the RB slot. So on that basis, he wouldn't have taken Johnson anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I put a bet on Clyne making the world cup at 16-1 back in October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 So on that basis, he wouldn't have taken Johnson anyway ? he would of, the spare slot now created by Johnson not going will not be used on a RB imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I put a bet on Clyne making the world cup at 16-1 back in October Good but not so thumbs-uppy. 20/1 squad, 66/1 starts first game on SkyBet NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 woy i fixated on crap man united players smalling is a RB for united now, played there for England. it will be Smalling and Walker I suspect Smalling - crap Jones - not very good Cleverley - utter crap welbeck - very average all play for man u (no wonder they have fallen so much) so guaranteed to get into the squad Don't get the hate for Welbeck, would be really good in a decent side, CDAJF for Arsenal or Chelsea, would be great for us and a much better finisher than JRod, he would score a hat-full if he played regularly for us. Clyne for England? No chance unless he gets a consistent run of games/form between now and the end of the season, plenty good enough, he should be in the squad, but for various reasons including some under-performance in an under-performing u21 side he has no senior experience. He's rapidly becoming the new Jack Cork, everybody seems to be all over Chambers (who is good, who will be very good, but who at the moment is nowhere near Clyne's level), how soon we forget when a player slips out of the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Good but not so thumbs-uppy. 20/1 squad, 66/1 starts first game on SkyBet NOW. but 16-1 isn't bad just to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Don't get the hate for Welbeck, would be really good in a decent side, CDAJF for Arsenal or Chelsea, would be great for us and a much better finisher than JRod, he would score a hat-full if he played regularly for us. Clyne for England? No chance unless he gets a consistent run of games/form between now and the end of the season, plenty good enough, he should be in the squad, but for various reasons including some under-performance in an under-performing u21 side he has no senior experience. He's rapidly becoming the new Jack Cork, everybody seems to be all over Chambers (who is good, who will be very good, but who at the moment is nowhere near Clyne's level), how soon we forget when a player slips out of the side. Another thread where I have to disagree with you. Wellbeck can't hit a barn door at 4 paces half the damn time (If I wasn't at work I would look up the stats for you for both players!). As for chambers, the kid is class... to say he is nowhere near clyne's level is madness. There really isn't much in it to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 ah dear, Welbeck is much better than rodriguez. Don't be so bias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Don't get the hate for Welbeck, would be really good in a decent side, CDAJF for Arsenal or Chelsea, would be great for us and a much better finisher than JRod, he would score a hat-full if he played regularly for us. Clyne for England? No chance unless he gets a consistent run of games/form between now and the end of the season, plenty good enough, he should be in the squad, but for various reasons including some under-performance in an under-performing u21 side he has no senior experience. He's rapidly becoming the new Jack Cork, everybody seems to be all over Chambers (who is good, who will be very good, but who at the moment is nowhere near Clyne's level), how soon we forget when a player slips out of the side. How come arsenal or Chelsea re not breaking the bank for him Go on red cafe and you will see the contempt for well beck and cleverly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 So if Chambers keeps Clyne out for the rest of the season, and Roy has mentioned Chambers before, and Clyne is 3rd choice right back after Walker/Johnson (ignoring the Jones/Smalling impact) does that mean Chambers has a chance of going to the World Cup? Or are there other right backs who could be vying with Clyne for that spot? Micah Richards for example. I know Roy has already said he won't be taking any "new" players (barring injuries I guess), so that might kind of rule out Chambers. If Roy is determined to take a 2nd right back, and will be taking Jones/Smalling anyway, then that 2nd right back will have to be someone. Perhaps it could be between Clyne and Chambers.... who knows by the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Don't get the hate for Welbeck, would be really good in a decent side, CDAJF for Arsenal or Chelsea, would be great for us and a much better finisher than JRod, he would score a hat-full if he played regularly for us. Also takes a mean penalty, Puncheon-esque. How anyone can claim welbeck is a good finisher is beyond me. 2 goals in 40 last season for United, OK a bit better this year but he is a poor finisher, but may improve. he does have some good qualities though, his build up play is good but finishing, I think you're having a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I am very pleased that our players are mentioned but this makes me think in another way that how weak our National team has become where by we have 4/5 players in the mix for a World Cup place, we are 9th in the League not at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I am very pleased that our players are mentioned but this makes me think in another way that how weak our National team has become where by we have 4/5 players in the mix for a World Cup place, we are 9th in the League not at the top. good point and Lovren has arguably been our player of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 he would of, the spare slot now created by Johnson not going will not be used on a RB imo. Sorry, but your logic makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Sorry, but your logic makes no sense. You cant understand that I am saying Johnsons place probably won't be used by bringing in a rightback like Clyne. More likely be used for an extra striker/midfielder in the squad because he has Jones/Smalling already in the squad to cover Walker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 (edited) I don't understand your logic either. If Hodgson is currently planing for... 3 keepers 2 right backs 2 left backs 4 centre backs 8 midfielders 4 strikers Why would an injury to one of those 2 right backs makes mean he changes to... 3 keepers 1 right backs 2 left backs 4 centre backs 8 or 9 midfielders 4 or 5 strikers ? What make far more sense to do a straight swap of right back out/right back in rather than change the whole make up of the squad. Smalling and Jone will go regardless of Johnson being fit or not, as we need 4 centre backs. Edited 24 January, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Because he plays smalling at right back He is now a RB. A right back. When will it register with you He is now a right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 It'll probably be Martin Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 http://www.thefa.com/England/News/2012/euro-2012-squad-announced-160512.aspx That was his Euro squad. As I said, we shall see, I hope he doesnt and he does take two proper right backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Because he plays smalling at right back He is now a RB. A right back. When will it register with you He is now a right back So if he is a right back, do you think Smalling will go if Walker and Johnson are both fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 You cant understand that I am saying Johnsons place probably won't be used by bringing in a rightback like Clyne. More likely be used for an extra striker/midfielder in the squad because he has Jones/Smalling already in the squad to cover Walker? If Johnsons fit , then why take him ? going by your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 So if he is a right back, do you think Smalling will go if Walker and Johnson are both fit? Possibly not either johnson or smalling would probably miss out as it stands, looks like that is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 If Johnsons fit , then why take him ? going by your logic. Sigh...seriously? Lets turn it around...if he isnt fit, which is likely, why call up Clyne (with no international/european experiance, apart from a shocking u21 performance) who seems to be at least FIFTH in the rightback pecking order for Woy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzybear Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 I am very pleased that our players are mentioned but this makes me think in another way that how weak our National team has become where by we have 4/5 players in the mix for a World Cup place, we are 9th in the League not at the top. I disagree with this, Saints are the example of what happens when you regularly field young, talented English players week in, week out rather than buying in a team of foreign jonnys. It's because we put 6-7 Englishman on the pitch each game that so many are being ear-marked with chance to go to Brazil, unlike most prem teams who put out 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Possibly not either johnson or smalling would probably miss out as it stands, looks like that is the case Agreed, I'm not sure if Smalling will make the squad just going as a centre back. Surely the only reason he's been so close to the team is his adaptability at playing right back (and the fact that we're rather bereft of decent options at centre back). Sadly for England, Smalling is nowhere near a proficient international standard playing in either position, he's consistently shown that yet still gets picked. Neither is Phil Jones, though I do think he could develop into a decent centre back if he is given time. Unfortunately, I don't see Clyne getting any sort of opportunity to get on the plane. Especially if he can't force his way in front of Chambers at club level over the second half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 I disagree with this, Saints are the example of what happens when you regularly field young, talented English players week in, week out rather than buying in a team of foreign jonnys. It's because we put 6-7 Englishman on the pitch each game that so many are being ear-marked with chance to go to Brazil, unlike most prem teams who put out 1 or 2. I think that's the point, isn't it? English players are only good enough to make up a very small percentage of the best teams. If the top teams played 6-7 Englishmen in their sides, they simply wouldn't be the top teams any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkeley Saint Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Woy watching Bournemouth v Scousers now - time to get to St. Mary's after to watch the Saints ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 This is great news! Well done Nathaniel - fully deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 This is great news! Well done Nathaniel - fully deserved. what is great news exactly ? It is pure speculation based on the possible non-availability of Johnson, I mean Clyne isn't or doesn't seem to be first choice RB at Saints at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Sigh...seriously? Lets turn it around...if he isnt fit, which is likely, why call up Clyne (with no international/european experiance, apart from a shocking u21 performance) who seems to be at least FIFTH in the rightback pecking order for Woy? Because this a Saints forum where the people who contribute are painfully biased thats why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Sigh...seriously? Lets turn it around...if he isnt fit, which is likely, why call up Clyne (with no international/european experiance, apart from a shocking u21 performance) who seems to be at least FIFTH in the rightback pecking order for Woy? Seriously, why if johnsons not fit is it ok to sacrifice a replacement right back for another position (regardless wether its Clyne) but not do so if he is fit. Why take Johnson from what you are saying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Clyne is missed when he doesnt play even when Chambers has a good game because of his pace and good one on one defending, Chambers when players run at him does get done more often then not, he will be better with time you can see that but we need Clyne in more often then not. Clyne should then stand out hopefully and be considered as i do feel he is a quality RB and should be 2nd or 3rd choice for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Don't think we'd 100% take Walker if everyone was fit, so I certainly don't think we'll be taking Clyne if Johnson can't make it. Walker, Smalling and Jones can all play there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Seriously, why if johnsons not fit is it ok to sacrifice a replacement right back for another position (regardless wether its Clyne) but not do so if he is fit. Why take Johnson from what you are saying ? Because the 3rd and 4th choice Rightbacks are already in the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Because the 3rd and 4th choice Rightbacks are already in the squad? Ok, respect your view, but just cannot agree that Smalling and Jones are better than Clyne. Smalling is nowhere near as good. If they are then why take Johnson to start with ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 January, 2014 Share Posted 25 January, 2014 Ok, respect your view, but just cannot agree that Smalling and Jones are better than Clyne. Smalling is nowhere near as good. If they are then why take Johnson to start with ? how come they have consistently been called up and clyne hasnt. Even when johnson has been out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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